AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Blacks aren't voting for Romney, period.
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PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread
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Really? I voted enthusiastically for Obama, but since he's been in office he has been a disappointment in many significant ways. He's continued Bush's abuses of power with the patriot act/FISA warrantless wiretapping shit. In many ways he's even more cagey and less transparent than even Bush was, with the media and otherwise.
He's UPPED his attacks in the bullshit "war on drugs", even going after legal medical marijuana dispensaries in states like California. Despite his stance on the subject prior to the election, he's been even more embarrassing than Bush on the subject.
Same with Immigration. He's been ridiculously harsh, deporting an alarmingly high number of people. He's refused to take a leaders stand on the subject.
Up until today, I was going to say he was taking a pussies stance on gay marriage - when even your vice president seemed more presidential on the subject, that's saying something.
And then there's the whole embarrassing way he allowed the Republicans to steer the health care debate conversation for an entire summer before attempting to genuinely step in.
I mean, there's a lot I still am happy about, but if it weren't for the supreme court issue, the privacy issues alone would cause me not to vote for him. But because the Supreme Court is literally on the line, and because if a Republican was able to steer the court in even one more conservative direction it'd be a disaster for the court for a generation, I have to vote for him.
Surely you can't really be surprised? You say "really" as if I should be astonished at the way he's performed as president.
I'll be giggling to myself and rubbing it in the faces of at least two hardcore racist republicans at my job, I know that.
It is what it is.
I had to hear the "it's the white house, not the black house" joke like thirty times. People were so overtly racist after he won that the Army Depot made us Supervisors have meetings with our employees to go over race sensitivity and shit. It made me slightly embarrassed.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/2012-phc-mexican-migration-01a.png
http://multiamerican.scpr.org/files/2012/04/Screen-shot-2012-04-23-at-2.56.07-PM.png
But my contention was that they will choose NOT to vote. Especially if Obama is a constant 4-5 point favorite. A statistically significant amount of them that could be read or interpreted as having problems with his support of gay marriage.
Absolutely, but they might not vote for Obama, either. It won't cause blacks to become Republicans en masse, but it might cause voter apathy amongst them.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
eBay Huckster
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This fucking election.
Invisible_Insane
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Fixed.
ElectricThunder
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It will be a good day when same-sex marriage is finally done on the legal front, the supposed social conservatives can pick up their ball/dry their tears at home, and we move that much closer to deal with real problems instead of wasting time on something that should've been fully legal ages ago.
Assuming people are not just doing this for election fluff and take it all the way to the proper votes and such, of course.
Is it really so hard to not willfully place oneself on the wrong side of history? Simple stuff here.
Assuming people are not just doing this for election fluff and take it all the way to the proper votes and such, of course.
Is it really so hard to not willfully place oneself on the wrong side of history? Simple stuff here.
Romney just keeps on delivering.
gutter_trash
Banned
bye bye North Carolina
Doubtful. I'm not seeing much evidence that gay marriage has been much of an upticket vote driver.
gutter_trash
Banned
don't forget the 2 Nebraska splitters to the Dem
It was after delivering a speech wherever he is today. During Q&A time, reporters asked him if he thought this constituted a flip flop for Obama. He said it did, and then stated his shitty view, and then stammered that out. I have to imagine somebody will upload the clip sometime soon, it was gold.
ahahahhahahahaha
eBay Huckster
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I feel like the final map's going to wind up being Aaron Strife's map + one of NC or FL barring a sudden boost in economic growth (which puts AZ/IN/MO within reach & secures both NC and FL) or one of the various 2012 doomsday scenarios involving economic collapse or another Middle Eastern war (which fucks with Obama's chances in OH, NV, IA, NH and VA)
He should just not speak. Ever. For any reason.
Found it, although the hesitation doesn't come across in the text: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-marriage-is-relationship-between-man-woman
Can't wait for the video.
Can't wait for the video.
The Librarian
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Why is everyone laughing at the "same views" line? How was what he said today different from what he said in the past?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I don't see the problem with his response.
When he was running for office in the 90s he supported full equality, or at least said he did.
Mitt Romney v1994 said:
And an official flier from 2002:
It's the phrasing.
He's already got a reputation for "I'm running for office, for Pete's sake" so why would he label what is supposedly a deeply moral belief as "since running for office"?
Aaron Strife
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He could win one like last time, but I think it might be out-of-reach this year.
I'd say Obama would win NC before FL, just going off polls. PPP seems to always have him leading, while he's never that far ahead of Romney in Florida.eBay Huckster said:
NC might be one state where this would actually make a difference for the worse.
Remember when I had Indiana as Lean R? Here's someone more optimistic than I:
They also peg ND and WI as toss-ups, but it confirms the general trend. It's looking to be a blue year, or at least a neutral one.The Hill said:
Mourdock has the built-in advantage of running in a red state, but it doesn't sound like he's toning down his rhetoric from the primary at all.
It's not the "same views" part that is important, it's the "since I've been running for office" part. Let me give you two sentences that are vaguely synomous.
"I have believed in interracial marriage for a very long time."
"I have believed in interracial marriage since I started running for office."
One of those has a particularly bad connotation, and would be especially tinny if I happened to have a reputation as a political opportunist.
It's never wise to outright dismiss election results like that. Voter participation will be higher this year, but that doesn't mean 2010's election results mean nothing.
I have always found it strange that "changing your mind" on something seems to almost always be viewed negatively in American politics. In this case, it isn't really even that much of a shift, not enough to be labeled a "flip flop", and certainly nothing compared to Romney and Gingrich's "who am I addressing today so I know what my position is" behaviour over the course of the primaries.
The Librarian
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Conservative independents will vote based on the economy, if social issues mattered to them they would not be independents
Thing is, a lot of conservatives were lukewarm about Romney and might have stayed home. The LGBT lobby has forced Obama into giving them a reason to be enthusiastic for Romney. By the time the right gets done with this, Obama will be legalizing gay marriage via executive order the day after the election
Good for him that you're not his campaign manager.
PhoenixDark
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An executive order declaring same sex marriage equal/legal? Oh man, Gaborn is in rare form today. Move them goal posts. Notice, most libertarians wouldn't even support such a position on executive orders
cartoon_soldier
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ABC News starting now ET
The new Obama ad played before the News is starting too lol
The new Obama ad played before the News is starting too lol
I wonder what history books will say about Obama when this is all said and done.
Will he be remembered as one of the great presidents, or one of the worst? I'm really starting to think it will be the former. If he wins strongly in 2012, its going to be a permanent turning point in American politics.
Will he be remembered as one of the great presidents, or one of the worst? I'm really starting to think it will be the former. If he wins strongly in 2012, its going to be a permanent turning point in American politics.
speculawyer
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Mitt finally found an issue that he has not flip-flopped on . .
"I have the same view on marriage that I had when I was governor. I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman," Romney said. "I have the same view I've had since, well, running for office."
But, as Shep Smith warns, it is on the wrong side of history. Shep said "The President of the United States, now in the 21st century," Smith said. "What I'm most curious about, in this time of rising debts and medical issues and all the rest, if Republicans would go out on a limb and try to make this a campaign issue while sitting very firmly, without much question, on the wrong side of history."
"I have the same view on marriage that I had when I was governor. I believe marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman," Romney said. "I have the same view I've had since, well, running for office."
But, as Shep Smith warns, it is on the wrong side of history. Shep said "The President of the United States, now in the 21st century," Smith said. "What I'm most curious about, in this time of rising debts and medical issues and all the rest, if Republicans would go out on a limb and try to make this a campaign issue while sitting very firmly, without much question, on the wrong side of history."
NullPointer
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I love the Shep. Any future films depicting the media environment of our time will need to have at least show some of the Shep or I'll be sad.
A succinct example here.
Mediocre, I think. But maybe his second term will change that, if he gets it.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Shep really is a great guy and anchor, its a shame he doesn't get more air time on Fox News. If it were Shep News, it would be a great network.
On his comment, it is obvious that gay marriage will eventually be legalized everywhere. Will it make people more gay? Nope. Will it take away rights from those in the majority? nope.
You have to separate your religious beliefs and your participation in this free nation. You have to grant the same rights to all people. visitation rights, death benefits, custody, inheritance, medical, etc.
People are free to believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that granting them marital rights is going to destroy traditional marriage more than it already has been (mostly by those same people). You can believe interracial marriage is a sin, that Jews control the media and the banking world, that Obama is a muslim, and all sorts of other crazy stuff, but you are not free to use those beliefs to restrain the benefits of society on any group just because of your feelings.
On his comment, it is obvious that gay marriage will eventually be legalized everywhere. Will it make people more gay? Nope. Will it take away rights from those in the majority? nope.
You have to separate your religious beliefs and your participation in this free nation. You have to grant the same rights to all people. visitation rights, death benefits, custody, inheritance, medical, etc.
People are free to believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that granting them marital rights is going to destroy traditional marriage more than it already has been (mostly by those same people). You can believe interracial marriage is a sin, that Jews control the media and the banking world, that Obama is a muslim, and all sorts of other crazy stuff, but you are not free to use those beliefs to restrain the benefits of society on any group just because of your feelings.
speculawyer
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That is what freedom is. It is freedom for everyone, not just you and your views.Shep really is a great guy and anchor, its a shame he doesn't get more air time on Fox News. If it were Shep News, it would be a great network.
On his comment, it is obvious that gay marriage will eventually be legalized everywhere. Will it make people more gay? Nope. Will it take away rights from those in the majority? nope.
You have to separate your religious beliefs and your participation in this free nation. You have to grant the same rights to all people. visitation rights, death benefits, custody, inheritance, medical, etc.
People are free to believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that granting them marital rights is going to destroy traditional marriage more than it already has been (mostly by those same people). You can believe interracial marriage is a sin, that Jews control the media and the banking world, that Obama is a muslim, and all sorts of other crazy stuff, but you are not free to use those beliefs to restrain the benefits of society on any group just because of your feelings.
PhoenixDark
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Most likely a one term president who's greatest achievement was overturned by the Supreme Court
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Profile in courage?
More like profile in dumbness.
Look, I was among the people who said that Obama should stand up for his beliefs, and show that he's a real progressive. But this is one instance where I feel borked things up big time.
More like profile in dumbness.
Look, I was among the people who said that Obama should stand up for his beliefs, and show that he's a real progressive. But this is one instance where I feel borked things up big time.
cartoon_soldier
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I LOL'd
You should go read his comments in the OT thread for this news. He's anything but.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
That is just depressing.
As I keep mentioning to all of my religious friends - we do not criminalize sin (and this is what separate us from DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNN Sharia law).
For fuck's sake, you can break 7 of the 10 commandments without breaking any laws.
p.s.
It should be noted that the only thing that is even called in the bible is sex between men.
The idea that allowing people to marry will somehow increase the amount of sex is quite hilarious.
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