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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
Oblivion said:
From Pew via DK:



Thank god for Republican primaries.
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The entirety of the GOP establishment should be pissed about all the debates and the Gingrich/Santorum experience. The nomination should be a given by now and Romney should not have had his rivals attacking him about his ridiculous capitalism-earned wealth, effective tax rate, social issues standing, and so on.

Thanks to his rivals, Romney now looks weak even amongst republican-leaning independents and even very conservative republicans.
 
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GhaleonEB

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gcubed said:
i think the phase out is a pretty good idea, although beginning a phase out of benefits at 6% is a little low? We are talking the extended benefits correct?
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I didn't write that as clearly as I meant to. The basic thought was, the extended benefits should be phased out when the normal, structural unemployment rate is reached (rather than starting when it reaches then). IIRC, that was around 6% but it can vary by state.

I think the ideal safety net is one that expands and flexes to serve as a counter cyclical support for the economy and those impacted by it, without relying on Congress to react.
 
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jamesinclair

Banned
Pop quiz time!

Did the following 1%ers sign a letter telling the House GOP that:
a) They strongly support the House GOP transportation bill
b) They strongly oppose the house GOP bill

Take special note of which CEOs we're talking about here!


Dear Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Cantor, House Minority Leader Pelosi and Minority Whip Hoyer,

As major employers and job creators in America,

...

Thank you for your consideration.

Kenneth I. Chenault, Chairman & CEO, American Express Company
Co-Chair, Partnership for New York City

Terry J. Lundgren, Chairman, President & CEO, Macy’s, Inc.
Co-Chair, Partnership for New York City

Lee S. Ainslie, III, Managing Partner, Maverick Capital
Donald R. Allman, President & CEO, Titan
David Barger, President & CEO, JetBlue Airways Corporation
Candace K. Beinecke, Chair, Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
Frank A. Bennack, Jr., Vice Chairman & CEO, Hearst Corporation
Stephen Berger, Chairman, Odyssey Investment Partners, LLC
Mark T. Bertolini, Chairman, CEO & President, Aetna Inc.
William H. Berkman, Managing Partner, Associated Partners, LP
Kathy Bloomgarden, Chief Executive Officer, Ruder Finn, Inc.
Marianne C. Brown, President & CEO, Omgeo, LLC
Kevin Burke, Chairman, President & CEO, Con Edison
Russell L. Carson, Co-Founder and General Partner, Welsh, Carson, Anderson & Stowe
Philippe P. Dauman, President and CEO, Viacom Inc.
Todd C. DeGarmo, Chief Executive Officer, STUDIOS Architecture
Barry Diller, Chairman & Senior Executive, IAC
Daniel L. Doctoroff, President & CEO, Bloomberg L.P.
Douglas Durst, Co-President, Durst Organization Inc.
Joel S. Ehrenkranz, Senior Partner, Ehrenkranz & Ehrenkranz LLP
Winston C. Fisher, Partner, Fisher Brothers
Alan H. Fishman, Chairman, Ladder Capital Finance LLC
Russell P. Fradin, Chief Executive Officer, SunGard
Paul Fribourg, Chairman & CEO, Continental Grain Company
Carl Galioto, Senior Principal, HOK, Inc.
Barry M. Gosin, Chief Executive Officer, Newmark Knight Frank
Jonathan N. Grayer, President & CEO, Weld North LLC
Robert Greifeld, Chief Executive Officer, The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc.
Steve Holliday, Chief Executive Officer, National Grid
Stephen R. Howe, Jr., Americas Area Managing Partner, Ernst & Young LLP
Frederick J. Iseman, Chairman & CEO, CI Capital Partners LLC
Kenneth M. Jacobs, Chairman & CEO, Lazard Ltd
Jill Kaplan, Publisher, Crain’s New York Business
Brad S. Karp, Chair, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
George S. Kaufman, Chairman, Kaufman Organization
Anthony S. Kendall, Chief Executive Officer, Mitchell & Titus, LLP
David P. Kirchhoff, President & CEO, Weight Watchers International, Inc.
Henry R. Kravis, Co-Chairman & Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
William P. Lauder, Executive Chairman, The Estée Lauder Companies, Inc.
Rochelle B. Lazarus, Chairman, Ogilvy & Mather Worldwide
Martin Lipton, Senior Partner, Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
Peter L. Malkin, Senior Partner & Chairman, Malkin Holdings, LLC
Donald B. Marron, Chairman & CEO, Lightyear Capital
Peter W. May, President & COO, Trian Partners
Charles R. McCall, CEO, Astoria Energy II LLC &, Astoria Energy LLC
Harold McGraw, III, Chairman, President & CEO, The McGraw-Hill Companies
Edward J. Minskoff, President, Edward J. Minskoff Equities, Inc.
Mitchell Modell, Chief Executive Officer, Modell’s Sporting Goods
Kenneth D. Moelis, Chief Executive Officer, Moelis & Company Holdings LP
Thomas J. Moran, Chairman, President & CEO, Mutual of America Life Insurance Company
Joshua L. Muss, President, Muss Development Company
Duncan L. Niederauer, Chief Executive Officer, NYSE Euronext
Vikram S. Pandit, Chief Executive Officer, Citigroup Inc.
Peter Riguardi, President, New York Region, Jones Lang LaSalle
James D. Robinson, III, Co-Founder & General Partner, RRE Ventures
Stephen M. Ross, Chairman & CEO, The Related Companies, L.P.
Wilbur L. Ross, Jr., Chairman & CEO, WL Ross & Co. LLC
Michael I. Roth, Chairman & CEO, Interpublic Group
Steven Roth, Chairman, Vornado Realty Trust
Howard J. Rubenstein, President, Rubenstein Associates, Inc.
Steven Rubenstein, President, Rubenstein Communications, Inc.
Mitchell E. Rudin, President & CEO, U.S. Commercial Operations, Brookfield Properties
Corporation
William C. Rudin, CEO and Vice Chairman, Rudin Management Company, Inc.
Kevin P. Ryan, Founder and CEO, Gilt Groupe
Alan D. Schwartz, Executive Chairman, Guggenheim Partners, LLC
Frank J. Sciame, Chairman & CEO, F.J. Sciame Construction Co., Inc.
Jerry I. Speyer, Chairman & Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer
Stuart Match Suna, President, Silvercup Studios
Mary Ann Tighe, Chief Executive Officer, NY Tri-State Region, CB Richard Ellis
James S. Tisch, President & CEO, Loews Corporation
Edward D. Turen, Chairman and CEO, Control Equity Group
Mark L. Wagar, President & CEO, Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield
Rohan Weerasinghe, Senior Partner, Shearman & Sterling
Charles Weinstein, Chief Executive Officer, EisnerAmper LLP
Marcia S. Wilson, President, Daffy’s
Deborah C. Wright, Chairman & CEO, Carver Bancorp Inc.
Kathryn S. Wylde, President & CEO, Partnership for New York City
Strauss Zelnick, Chief Executive Officer, ZelnickMedia Corporation
Mortimer B. Zuckerman, Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of US News & World Report and
Chairman & Publisher of the New York Daily News
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The answer was b, they think the house GOP is full of shit.


But heres what I dont get. Thats a big old list of republican donors. So whats happening here? Why is the GOP pushing a bill that their masters dislike? Why do their masters continue to prop up the idiots in the House?

Is there any logic behind the House GOP bill, beyond "MUST OPPOSE EVERYTHING"?
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Good public infrastructure can provide improved ability for companies to function.
But the current libertarian streak in the republican party runs counter to that.
 
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teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Holy shit, Santorum #1? Really?

I'm going to have to watch Maddow/Daily show more often.

Just imagine how entertaining a Santorum/Gingrich ticket would be. Gingrich would continue to bash Romney after the convention.
 
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Chichikov

Member
maximum360 said:
What wouldn't be hypocritical is then placing all those sports threads in the community forum.
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I tried mostly to stay out of this discussion because I don't really like backseat modding.
Modding is fucking difficult under normal conditions, and I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it is to do in a place infested with fanboys like this one.

But the more I think about it, the more I see the logic in their megathread stance.
Official forums can be quite intimidating, it seem like everyone is friends and there are all those inside joke and references, plus it can be kinda hard to go and figure out what was and wasn't posted.
As a result, they usually end up being with the same 10 people talking among themselves, and individual issues seem to get many more replies when they come with their own thread.

Also, why not try it and see how it works?
Seem to be working fine so far, I was worried of people not finding this thread here, but we get the usual number of posters here.
And it's not like the mods can't change their mind.

Oblivion said:
WE'RE PEOPLE TOO, DANG IT! :mad:
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Separated but equal.
 
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Mike M

Nick N
Watching the statements from marriage equality opponents in WA (Guest starring Santorum today) on the news tonight just makes me want to punch people.
 
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Chichikov

Member
867-5309 said:
Some of us 99% can't afford GafGold like you 1%.
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Here we go with the bandwidth envy again.
Why do you punish success?

Mike M said:
Watching the statements from marriage equality opponents in WA (Guest starring Santorum today) on the news tonight just makes me want to punch people.
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It's gonna get ugly here.
Those fuckers are going to get it on the ballot for November for sure.
Ugh, I am not mentally prepared for a prop-8 like battle.
 
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Zzoram

Member
ezekial45 said:
WXNff.gif
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Hilarious gif for "pew pew pew"
 
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Zzoram

Member
I think Santorum really should be the GOP nominee. The GOP voters actually like him, while they don't like Romney.

Santorum or Romney, it doesn't matter, neither will beat Obama anyways. The GOP voters might as well get someone who actually represents them.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Al-ibn Kermit said:
I am seriously wondering if Romney will even be a running mate. Especially if Gingrich drops out and endorses Santorum.
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The only advantage Romney would even bring now as a running-mate is that he might be good debating Biden. But I can see Biden just pulling out the "aw shucks, I'm a lovable asshole who rides the trains" and burying him.
 
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Zzoram

Member
Wait, is Biden Obama's VP for the 2012 election? Isn't Biden too old for that now? Shouldn't Obama pick a VP to groom for 2016?
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Zzoram said:
Wait, is Biden Obama's VP for the 2012 election? Isn't Biden too old for that now? Shouldn't Obama pick a VP to groom for 2016?
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As of right now, all the election stuff says Obama-Biden 2012. I think he might keep Biden, that way the 2016 nominee can run semi-against Washington.
 
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speculawyer

Member
The Chosen One said:
I definitely think presidential candidates can't easily tack back to the middle in today's modern political environment compared to the past.

In the past, there wasn't Youtube clips and bloggers that recorded every single statement a candidate made on the campaign trail. So a candidate could easily get away with telling a South Carolina crowd one thing and telling a Colorado crowd another. Also they didn't have a 24 hours news media micro-analyzing every single statement and inflection.

But now people aren't going to easily forget all the pandering Romney did for the far right because all those statements he made can easily be regurgitated by the media, opposing campaigns, and now Super Pacs. To make matters worse for Mittens, he already has a reputation has a serial flip-flopper, so a hard shift back to the middle will just re-enforce that image.
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Romney almost had it made in the shade. At the beginning of this campaign, Romney was running a centrist campaign that seemed pretty much like the way he would run in the general. He was the default candidate and ran as if there were no other credible candidates. He seemed to stick through it during the early Trump, Bachmann, Perry, and Cain surges. But once Newt beat him in SC and Iowa was belatedly given to Santorum, Romney started on the march rightward. He said 'conservative' like 23 times in his CPAC speech and has been jumping on board with the crazy social stuff.

And it will all come back during the general.
 
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XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
GhaleonEB said:
I agree all around. I would like to see UI structured so that the extensions are automatic and not dependent on Congressional action, and the extended benefits phase out as unemployment nears 6% or so on a state by state basis.
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I like this idea, but it seems like it would be hard to determine a percentage to stop at. I say this coming from the perspective that I don't think we'll ever reach 'full' employment (which is considered what, 5% unemployment?) again due to advances and efficiencies in technology and the effects of globalization shrinking the amount of jobs available in total.
 
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Jackson50

Member
RustyNails said:
VP ticket is there for satisfying the perceived lack of a qualification or an advantage needed for a President. For Obama, it was lack of experience so he went with Biden with over 5 decades of FP experience. For McCain, it was lack of enthusiasm. For Romney, it's lack of conservative credentials. Santorum satisfies that criteria for him.
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That is the conventional wisdom, sure. But it has not been substantiated. Running mates present a moderate-risk/low-reward proposition. The prudent decision is to select a competent figure that's been thoroughly vetted and won't embarrass the ticket. If one can secure a charismatic, disciplined figure that's been thoroughly vetted, then they should. But those are rare.
Zzoram said:
Wait, is Biden Obama's VP for the 2012 election? Isn't Biden too old for that now? Shouldn't Obama pick a VP to groom for 2016?
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Yes. No. No. The party can still groom a compelling successor from their crop of Senators and governors. Moreover, with other officials leaving the Administration, Obama probably wants some continuity. Biden's familiarized with the procedures of the Administration. He's likely been delegated certain responsibilities. Why waste time teaching a replacement?
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
I wouldn't vote for Obama if Biden was dropped from the ticket for political reasons. If he has legit health problems sure, it'll have to be done. Otherwise it would be a dick move, and I don't think Obama would do that.

Regardless of who democrats "groom" for 2016 it won't match the GOP governor crop.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
PhoenixDark said:
I wouldn't vote for Obama if Biden was dropped from the ticket for political reasons. If he has legit health problems sure, it'll have to be done. Otherwise it would be a dick move, and I don't think Obama would do that.

Regardless of who democrats "groom" for 2016 it won't match the GOP governor crop.
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Dems win in 2016 CONFIRMED
 
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RustyNails

Member
speculawyer said:
There will be no great recovery no matter who wins.
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Well I think there will be recovery in the next 4 years. Pretty sure unemployment wont be at 8.5 in 2015. Whoever is the next President, he will benefit greatly with a recovery economy. 2016 will be Democrats' to lose, unless there is a scandal of course.
 
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Miletius

Member
If Romney is the nominee: "We betrayed our principles and paid the price."
If on the off chance Santorum is the nominee: "Uh, the economy is getting better. Oh, and Santorum didn't really represent our principles and we paid the price"
 
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