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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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PhoenixDark

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Chichikov said:
I said it before and I will say it again, the best way to get public support for gun control is for black people to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.
Send a couple of brothers to a mall with uzis and black panthers "uniforms" and all of a sudden people will remember that guns don't necessarily make them feel safe.
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Amen. I would LOVE to see public reaction to a big black guy walking around a mall or McDonalds with an AR-15 strapped to his back.

I'd do it myself but I can't afford to die before November 2016
 
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RustyNails

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I'm watching the Frontline documentary on 2008 economy collapse and how the Banksters escaped justice. Wowzers. How the fuck are these greedy assholes still running the businesses. The fact that Obama did not go after them is going to go down as part of his legacy not in a good way. Shameless.
 
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Trurl

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Hobbestetrician said:
We don't want anyone like him up here.
Was also denied entry into Canada before but for very different reasons. Live there now, suckers!
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Congratulations.

Part of what makes his outrage funny is that he showed no sympathy for people who could have been affected by Arizona SB 1070. Sure, the question he was asked seems kind of strange and pointless, but he was only being asked it while in the process of crossing a border so it's less intrusive than what he supported for Arizona. In sentiment I like the idea of people being able to move across national borders freely, but this guy is a total chauvinist. Why would he take his concerns over his 2nd amendment rights to a foreign country anyway?
 
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Chichikov

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jamesinclair

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Chichikov said:
I said it before and I will say it again, the best way to get public support for gun control is for black people to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.
Send a couple of brothers to a mall with uzis and black panthers "uniforms" and all of a sudden people will remember that guns don't necessarily make them feel safe.
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The dudes have to have terminal illnesses though....I fear theyd be killed.

But they have to look like this

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RDreamer

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Holy shit:

#WhatBoehnerSaidToMichelle "There hasn’t been this much discussion about bangs in the White House since the Clinton era."
 
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Black Mamba

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RustyNails said:
I'm watching the Frontline documentary on 2008 economy collapse and how the Banksters escaped justice. Wowzers. How the fuck are these greedy assholes still running the businesses. The fact that Obama did not go after them is going to go down as part of his legacy not in a good way. Shameless.
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Obama hired half of them.

There is a revolving door between Wall Street and the executive for a while now.
 
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RDreamer

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Man, conservatives are fucking mean and don't get humor...

Looking through that #WhatBoehnerSaidToMichelle hashtag and every mean ass one is a conservative. They're saying horrible shit about her being fat or looking like a dude and stuff. And every single one of them that I click on has some sort of conservative description on their twitter...
 
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empty vessel

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Chichikov said:
I said it before and I will say it again, the best way to get public support for gun control is for black people to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.
Send a couple of brothers to a mall with uzis and black panthers "uniforms" and all of a sudden people will remember that guns don't necessarily make them feel safe.
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Ha, seriously. No doubt about it.

It's sad that my own independent policy judgment cannot be brought to bear on the gun control issue because the gun rights movement is basically just an extension of KKK vigilantism. I fell morally obligated to oppose it notwithstanding anything else.
 
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Aaron Strife

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RDreamer said:
Man, conservatives are fucking mean and don't get humor...

Looking through that #WhatBoehnerSaidToMichelle hashtag and every mean ass one is a conservative. They're saying horrible shit about her being fat or looking like a dude and stuff. And every single one of them that I click on has some sort of conservative description on their twitter...
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Conservative humor always boils down to restating right-wing talking points with a "EH? EHH!?" at the end.

"It's funny because Obama is a socialist! EH? EH??"

Liberals are better at mocking themselves because they're generally not true believers.
 
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RDreamer

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Aaron Strife said:
Conservative humor always boils down to restating right-wing talking points with a "EH? EHH!?" at the end.

"It's funny because Obama is a socialist! EH? EH??"

Liberals are better at mocking themselves because they're generally not true believers.
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Yeah, but even a nice socialist joke would be preferable. This is making jokes about her having an adam's apple or wanting to eat everything in sight or having a dick. That's not even trying to be funny, that's just being a douchebag asshole.
 
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Aaron Strife

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RDreamer said:
Yeah, but even a nice socialist joke would be preferable. This is making jokes about her having an adam's apple or wanting to eat everything in sight or having a dick. That's not even trying to be funny, that's just being a douchebag asshole.
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Yeah, well Michelle being fat/a man/a bitch is part of the conservative agenda.

They treated Hillary the same way.
 
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Trey

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PhoenixDark said:
Believing in global warming is one thing, but sacrificing jobs, taxes, etc to combat it is something entirely different. Most people don't care about climate or environment issues, especially in a bad economy. I don't think most climate folks recognize that point
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I think most climate folks are trying to create jobs that will work towards solving the issue. Seems cognizant to me.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Mark Cuban of all people just shut down the household debt = government debt argument on CNN.

"you and I can't print money"

he then went on to talk about how nobody but politicians really are worried about debt/fiscal cliffs/etc.
 
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sc0la

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The best part of the Michelle eye roll is that Obama cracked up at whatever Boehner said. Michelle's inner thought going along the the eye roll could probably be reduced to "I am surrounded by man-chidren"
 
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empty vessel

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APKmetsfan said:
Mark Cuban of all people just shut down the household debt = government debt argument on CNN.

"you and I can't print money"

he then went on to talk about how nobody but politicians really are worried about debt/fiscal cliffs/etc.
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Now just to get people to understand that "printing money" is not anything different than what the government already does and has been doing since 1971 when it spends money.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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empty vessel said:
Now just to get people to understand that "printing money" is not anything different than what the government already does and has been doing since 1971 when it spends money.
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Have to start somewhere. Getting people out of the GOP false comparisons is a start.


Also regarding meeting Jindal today. They guy is a lot smarter than his policies lead you to believe. He's a smart politician and smart guy (just with horrible polices though I think he knows what he's doing). I wouldn't underestimate him even with his SOTU response.

And the GOP has a powerful issue with school reform. That's what they're gonna run on in the future and its gonna play well. "School Choice" and their rhetoric misleads so much but sounds so so good to your average voter.

Also he did take a stand on birthers saying they have no place in the party and said he might support the volker rule. reinstatement for glass stegall which shocked me.

One more thing. He sounds just like kermit the frog. I couldn't get that image out of my head. I keep imagining him singing it ain't easy being green
 
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B-Dubs

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Donald Trump has a better chance than Jindal. The school choice rhetoric might work among middle class white families, but that's about it. Small towns in middle america usually only have one school anywhere nearby so it won't really resonate with the rust/bible belts. Something like a voucher can work in a city, but not in rural areas. Either way it's still more efficient to just spend that money on the actually public schools.
 
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leroidys

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APKmetsfan said:
Have to start somewhere. Getting people out of the GOP false comparisons is a start.


Also regarding meeting Jindal today. They guy is a lot smarter than his policies lead you to believe. He's a smart politician and smart guy (just with horrible polices though I think he knows what he's doing). I wouldn't underestimate him even with his SOTU response.

And the GOP has a powerful issue with school reform. That's what they're gonna run on in the future and its gonna play well. "School Choice" and their rhetoric misleads so much but sounds so so good to your average voter.

Also he did take a stand on birthers saying they have no place in the party and said he might support the volker rule. reinstatement for glass stegall which shocked me.

One more thing. He sounds just like kermit the frog. I couldn't get that image out of my head. I keep imagining him singing it ain't easy being green
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Republicans initially (and, shockingly, rightly) criticized the Obama administration for how terribly they handled banking reform. Their criticisms did not last long though, and when you look at which candidate Wall Street money overwhelmingly went to in the last election, it is no surprise why.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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B-Dubs said:
Donald Trump has a better chance than Jindal. The school choice rhetoric might work among middle class white families, but that's about it. Small towns in middle america usually only have one school anywhere nearby so it won't really resonate with the rust/bible belts. Something like a voucher can work in a city, but not in rural areas. Either way it's still more efficient to just spend that money on the actually public schools.
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Eh. no. Remember even with the bases craziness Romney still won the nomination, The GOP has never really had a true Obama type insurgent candidate recently, also believe it or not Jindal actually is a pretty effective speaker dispute the state of the union (seemed like a different person, he'd be much better on the stump than someone like Rubio IMO) he's very sincere in his beliefs and is effective at making you feel like he cares.

I don't think it only works with white familes as well. I think I'm gonna write a bit for the blog but they way he describes he plan it does "sound good" and its not like rural voters are going to switch to voting for democrats they're already in the back the voters they need to win are suburban whites/latinos/asians who I do think the school choice rhetoric works well with. Its empowering and makes them feel like he does care about the kids (even though in reality he's abandoning schools and shifting that money to private hands).

Both him a christie have gotten democratic voters to vote for them with education reform since its hard to be seen has voting for the teachers union over the kids. I think its the GOPs best shot at a come back and an issue they can own. That and energy which I think Jindal also as a strong track record on.

I'm like chris matthews in that while I disagree substantively with their proposals on policy I can admire their political gamesmanship and adeptness as moving and harnessing of public opinion and mood. Jindal is really someone who the Dems need to watch out for in the furture (he's only 41)
 
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Black Mamba

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Everyone's still talking about Michelle Obama's "eye roll" during the inaugural luncheon as she sat between the president and arch rival, John Boehner, the Republican Speaker of the House.

Only INSIDE EDITION can tell you what caused the first lady to roll her eyes heavenward.

So what was said? We asked expert lip reader Larry Wenig. Wenig believes John Boehner is asking President Obama whether he had a chance to have a cigarette before the luncheon.

President Obama gave up cigarettes three years ago. Boehner is a known chain smoker.

Our lip reader, Wenig, caught Boehner saying, “Somebody won’t let you do it”, referring to Michelle, which prompted the first lady’s big eye roll.
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The Hill has since reached out to Boehner's camp, which has rejected Wenig's reading of the brief conversation, calling it "not true."
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lol eyerollgate
 
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pigeon

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APKmetsfan said:
Eh. no. Remember even with the bases craziness Romney still won the nomination, The GOP has never really had a true Obama type insurgent candidate recently, also believe it or not Jindal actually is a pretty effective speaker dispute the state of the union (seemed like a different person, he'd be much better on the stump than someone like Rubio IMO) he's very sincere in his beliefs and is effective at making you feel like he cares.

I don't think it only works with white familes as well. I think I'm gonna write a bit for the blog but they way he describes he plan it does "sound good" and its not like rural voters are going to switch to voting for democrats they're already in the back the voters they need to win are suburban whites/latinos/asians who I do think the school choice rhetoric works well with. Its empowering and makes them feel like he does care about the kids (even though in reality he's abandoning schools and shifting that money to private hands).

Both him a christie have gotten democratic voters to vote for them with education reform since its hard to be seen has voting for the teachers union over the kids. I think its the GOPs best shot at a come back and an issue they can own. That and energy which I think Jindal also as a strong track record on.

I'm like chris matthews in that while I disagree substantively with their proposals on policy I can admire their political gamesmanship and adeptness as moving and harnessing of public opinion and mood. Jindal is really someone who the Dems need to watch out for in the furture (he's only 41)
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I dunno, man. Jindal isn't Christie or even Romney -- he's governor of one of the most conservative states in the country, which is also one of the least successful states in the country by nearly any metric. He's not white, which is bad from a GOP perspective, but he's also not black or Hispanic, which would at least be tactical. And he embraces both the unpopular social and unpopular fiscal policies of the GOP, rather than choosing one unpopular policy to hold on to while ditching the other. I definitely believe he might try to run -- but I'm not sure why he'd beat Rubio, Ryan and Christie.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Jindal will probably have to deal with some ugly attacks in early primary states, I'm not sure he's a good enough politician to last. I agree he's better on the stump than Rubio but it seems like the party is solidifying around Rubio already, and Jeb doesn't sound like he's running. Things can change especially with regard to immigration but Rubio seems like the top reset candidate: whenever the old guard ends, a new GOPer emerges to reset the board. Reagan, W Bush, now perhaps Rubio. McCain, Romney, and Santorum were all following in W's path but that's over IMO; Santorum will run again and realize just how little people actually like him when they have decent choices.

I'm starting to wonder whether Christie is wandering too far off the reservation. He should have the money to last beyond the conservative early states but I get big Gulianni vibes from him: bombs in early states, disappointing loss in Florida, bows out. He's a great politician but his style seems like it would bomb in Iowa...
 
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NYCmetsfan

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PhoenixDark said:
I'm starting to wonder whether Christie is wandering too far off the reservation. He should have the money to last beyond the conservative early states but I get big Gulianni vibes from him: bombs in early states, disappointing loss in Florida, bows out. He's a great politician but his style seems like it would bomb in Iowa...
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I think this is likely. I think he might sit out 2016 depending on how his reelection goes. I don't think the party is ready for him quite yet maybe 2020. I think they need to go through one more cycle of somewhat crazy tea party influence.
 
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Tim-E

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Here's the dHP post I mentioned would be up this morning.

http://deadheatpolitics.com/2013/01/23/obamas-modern-liberalism-the-persuit-of-happiness/

Obama’s Modern Liberalism & The Pursuit of Happiness

In his 1978 State of the Union address, President Jimmy Carter said “Government cannot solve our problems, it can’t set our goals. It cannot define our vision. Government cannot eliminate poverty or provide a bountiful economy or reduce inflation or save our cities or cure illiteracy or provide energy. And government cannot mandate goodness.” In 1996, just months before signing a bill into law that dramatically changed how the government helps the poor, President Bill Clinton stated “The era of big government is over.” By reading those quotes, you’d think they would’ve come from Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, not two of the three most recent Democratic Presidents. It’s felt like many of our recent Democratic Presidents have had to run away from being Democrats in order to be politically viable.

This changed Monday morning, when President Obama, in his second inaugural address, made the strongest and most vocal defense of liberalism and expansive government action since President Lyndon Johnson and his Great Society initiative. In his speech, he made a passionate defense of government “entitlement” programs, saying “the commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.” He devoted an entire paragraph of his speech to climate change, a topic that many have felt is politically unviable for some time. He alluded to his initiative to curb gun violence. By all accounts, this is the most progressive speech of his Presidency.
Much of President Obama’s speech hinges on references to our nation’s history. One of the most prominent connections between this President and another one of our past Presidents comes through their historical allusions.


When running against Stephen Douglas for a seat in the United States Senate in 1858, Abraham Lincoln hinged his argument on why an expansion of slavery was unacceptable on one of our most famous documents; the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration, which famously states that “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” When quoting this, Lincoln stated that “This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to His creatures. Yes, gentlemen, to all His creatures, to the whole great family of man.” Lincoln hinged his argument on the fact that the document says “all men,” not “all men, except them.” He based it not on emotion or public opinion, but on our own history.


In his speech on Monday, President Obama made a similar case in the support for same-sex marriage and gender equality. He said that “Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.” In an area in which many of the arguments are made based on emotion, the President utilized the same, hard-to-argue-against technique that Lincoln used in defending the rights of African Americans. He uses one of the most important documents in our nation’s history and uses its words to make a case for why it makes no sense, legally, for same-sex couples to be prohibited from marrying one another. He said that we must act to “advance the timeless spirit once conferred to us in a spare Philadelphia hall,” alluding to the location in which the Second Continental Conference convened to adopt the Declaration.


It’s been documented before that President Obama is an ardent Lincoln fan, so it is of no surprise to me that he would employ a technique that his idol carried out in order to make a historic case that no President before him has made.
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APKmetsfan said:
Mark Cuban of all people just shut down the household debt = government debt argument on CNN.

"you and I can't print money"

he then went on to talk about how nobody but politicians really are worried about debt/fiscal cliffs/etc.
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Warren Buffett I recall said stuff like this too before I started looking up yields, inflation, etc. Wish folks would talk more about entitlements though because it seems there's a lot of dangerous propaganda about that and there's enough political support in the House/Senate/POTUS to cut those things in order to make America "fiscally responsible" as a grand bargain. To me James Galbraith makes a convincing argument about the assumptions the CBO is making and why they are incorrect. Someone needs to go on TV and challenge those projections about solvency.
 
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In other news, Wayne LaPierre is a fucking idiot

In a speech late Tuesday night, he hit upon that same theme as he repeatedly criticized Obama and his inaugural speech Monday.

"President Barack Obama quoted the Declaration of Independence and he talked about 'unalienable rights.' I would argue that his words make a mockery of both," LaPierre said at the annual black-tie Weatherby International Hunting and Conservation Awards in Reno, Nevada.

Bloomberg responds to Obama gun proposal Bloomberg responds to Obama gun proposal NRA's power over Dems Obama's gun plan and the NRA's ad Several times, LaPierre homed in on one part of Obama's address, where the president said, "We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate."
LaPierre said the president was attacking fervent supporters of the Second Amendment. Many of them believe it provides an absolute right to provide arms.

"When absolutes are abandoned for principles, the U.S. Constitution becomes a blank slate for anyone's graffiti," LaPierre said.

"Words do have meaning, Mr. President. And those meanings are absolute, especially when it comes to our Bill of Rights."
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You hear that, guys, the bill of rights is completely absolute. I know I'm gonna go run through a school yelling "bomb!"
 
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