I know, I've posted about it before. Fox News is the worst thing to have happened to this country.
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I know, I've posted about it before. Fox News is the worst thing to have happened to this country.
Fox News went full on Hitler? I thought that stuff was mostly Drudge and that Fox was at least a bit more subtle about their propaganda.
RustyNails
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Can someone make a post on dhp about 2nd amendment and why it's outdated? Would do good to talk about it in light of Houston shooting and the gun violence hoopla engulfing the nation.
speculawyer
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Such nice Christian folk. :-(
You're probably just thinking too reasonably. The point of doing it this way is that a vote to "suspend" the debt ceiling isn't a vote to "raise" it and they're betting their constituents won't understand what's happening. Yes, it's an insulting stratagem.
It also saves them from having to deal with trying to get cuts while fighting against the sequester. If anything would have pierced the veil it would have been that.
ClassyPenguin
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First time I've read Fox and subtle together in a sentence.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But is it really outdated?
Are they really so unselfware of their lack of power that they think Obama 'should' or 'will have to' compromise with them? Or is it trolling at this point, after McConnell's obstructionist raison d'etre for four effing years failed so miserable?
There's some interesting stuff going on with the Israeli elections today. After an election season viewed as humdrum and dispiriting by the media, they were surprised by turnout levels not seen in over a decade. The exit polls are showing a huge gain for the new left-wing party Yesh Atid, and more seats for Labor -- but also seats for the nationalist Jewish Home party.
Here's an article by a guy on the ground a few days ago about how this is really a domestic realignment around issues of Orthodox Judaism and control of the rabbinate:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/120125/religious-revolution-in-israel?all=1
Either way, if Netanyahu has to form a broad coalition with the nationalists and the liberals, it's unlikely to last very long. Probably just long enough to reform the rabbinate, since that's all they agree on. We may well see new elections in 2014.
Here's an article by a guy on the ground a few days ago about how this is really a domestic realignment around issues of Orthodox Judaism and control of the rabbinate:
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/120125/religious-revolution-in-israel?all=1
Either way, if Netanyahu has to form a broad coalition with the nationalists and the liberals, it's unlikely to last very long. Probably just long enough to reform the rabbinate, since that's all they agree on. We may well see new elections in 2014.
It was outdated before it was decided to be included in the Bill of Rights. We would never been emancipated if it were not for France's assistance. To me it seems inclusion of the Amendment was to convince some of the (backwards) states to join the Union, and is a carry over from the English Protestants. It needs to be repealed. A gun isn't going to protect us from a government, it only gives a false sense of security in this regard.
I still think some guns should be permitted, there are uses for them, and they can be a hobby for some (not that I understand that), but I don't see why they should be a right more than the possession of any other physical item, they can be a licensed device, like a car.
Ive always wondered why people don't play up the 'well regulated' part of the amendment more. I felt that gives the gov't more than enough leeway to pass gun related reforms.
I meant that Fox News had reduced a significant portion of the country to sheep not capable of independent fact checking.
I was actually working on one this weekend, hopefully I'll finish it sometime this week but I have a lot of work right now.
And unfortunately, DC vs Heller makes it not as outdated as I wish it were (and I say this as a gun enthusiast).
ThinkProgress justifiably refuted Republicans' claims that Obama went hardcore leftist in his speech yesterday with this simple graphic:
Article here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/22/1477461/obama-inaugural-left-graphic/
edit: oops, double post on a new page
I meant that Fox News had reduced a significant portion of the country to sheep not capable of independent fact checking.
I was actually working on one this weekend, hopefully I'll finish it sometime this week but I have a lot of work right now.
And unfortunately, DC vs Heller makes it not as outdated as I wish it were (and I say this as a gun enthusiast).
Article here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/22/1477461/obama-inaugural-left-graphic/
edit: oops, double post on a new page
I meant that Fox News had reduced a significant portion of the country to sheep not capable of independent fact checking.
I was actually working on one this weekend, hopefully I'll finish it sometime this week but I have a lot of work right now.
And unfortunately, DC vs Heller makes it not as outdated as I wish it were (and I say this as a gun enthusiast).
Rocket Scientist
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lol America is pretty left.
Rocket Scientist
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I wonder whether that's the case or whether it's actually people who vote for the other party regardless of their opinions of these matters.
The Republican Party is becoming what they used to say the Democratic Party was -- a ragged coalition of single-issue voters. Basically, what you're seeing in these polls is that there are a lot of people who are generally Democratic but for whom abortion/guns/Israel/gays/blacks are really the issue they vote on.
Rocket Scientist
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Unfortunately probably true, otherwise you could just get out the vote like crazy and get democratic majorities everywhere.
Sirpopopop
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That poll doesn't even make sense.
So 23% of Americans think it's a serious problem, but that somehow the private sector whose interest is opposed to doing anything about the problem will solve it?
Black Mamba
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Or they believe it's not man-made in any way and there's nothing we can do.
(note: not my opinion)
adamsappel
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Because it arguably doesn't mean well-restricted, it means well-armed.
speculawyer
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And it really is a problem. But I don't know if we are mature enough to handle it. Climate change really requires a world-wide co-operative effort. We are probably at one of our most peaceful times and there are still at least 9 different conflicts killing 1000/people per year happening. And many more going on but at a lower level.
And dealing with climate change requires caring about detrimental effects that will mostly occur after we are dead. We barely give a shit about other live people, I don't think we care much about other people after we are dead.
And some of the papers coming out these days have some pretty dire forecasts. Hopefully those dire ones are very wrong.
Maybe if we get smacked down with more storms, flooding, droughts, and sea rise . . . we might begin to do something.
Rocket Scientist
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If global warming is real why we still got snowstorms?
Could you expand on this?
Rocket Scientist
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Wow. These people really don't care. They want someone to go out and attempt an assassination... Fucking disgusting human beings.
PhoenixDark
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Believing in global warming is one thing, but sacrificing jobs, taxes, etc to combat it is something entirely different. Most people don't care about climate or environment issues, especially in a bad economy. I don't think most climate folks recognize that point
Fuck this man.
I would really love to see Obama go into people's houses with swat teams and literally take their guns.
These people are idiots. If it is legally issued to someone and they have a registration/license or whatever it is you need to own a gun, they should be just fine and dandy.
Black Mamba
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lmao, the new House Bill has the whole stop salaries of a chamber if it doesn't pass a budget.
But here's the funny thing. It just goes into an escrow and gets paid either when a budget is passed OR the sessions of Congress ends.
They're guaranteed their salaries anyway. haha.
Pausing the debt ceiling til May 18th.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...iles/2013/01/BILLS-113hr325ih.pdf&chrome=true
Oh look, invisible Obama makes another appearance. The GOP can't seem to figure out that flat out lying about the opposition stance is making their constituencies smaller and dumber.
But here's the funny thing. It just goes into an escrow and gets paid either when a budget is passed OR the sessions of Congress ends.
They're guaranteed their salaries anyway. haha.
Pausing the debt ceiling til May 18th.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...iles/2013/01/BILLS-113hr325ih.pdf&chrome=true
Oh look, invisible Obama makes another appearance. The GOP can't seem to figure out that flat out lying about the opposition stance is making their constituencies smaller and dumber.
cartoon_soldier
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Reid once again warns of going Nuclear
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/reid-mcconnell-meet-on-filibuster-86551.html?hp=l2
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/reid-mcconnell-meet-on-filibuster-86551.html?hp=l2
The Technomancer
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Oh shut up and do it already Reid if you're going to
That's their legal ass-covering to avoid the Twenty-Seventh Amendment problems they would otherwise have, since it's not legal for a Congress to change its own salary, only future Congress's salaries.
Black Mamba
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Correct. I think it's really funny. "You won't get paid.....for 2 years even though you're already rich."
BTW, if anyone wants to read a somewhat lengthy article on how the views of the 2nd Amendment changed (the modern interpretation of mostly unregulated gun control and right to self-defense from criminals is new) over the last 30 years, I suggest this:
http://www.law.yale.edu/documents/pdf/Faculty/Siegel_Heller-HLRev.pdf
it is very informative.
speculawyer
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But that kind of thinking is the problem. It completely misses the point. (And yes, one can blame some of it on the environmentalists for doing bad messaging.)
It is not about saving the spotted owl, snail darter, or polar bear. Yes, it is nice to stop species extinction but most don't give a shit. Fine. Fuck them animals.
What it is really about is droughts, tropical diseases moving out of the tropics, storm surges that will take out farm land with salt water, coastal cities getting slammed and taken apart with storm surge, flooding, etc. In other words . . . IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID. So our short-sighted economic view is going to destroy our long-term economic outlook.
Oh well.
speculawyer
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Who's the bigger pussy? Obama or Reid. I'm gonna go with Obama but part of that is he has to be that way or else he'll be viewed as the 'angry black man'.
Two things, first of all, most of the crazy republican ideas are extremely unpopular with the public, you talk about them to fire up your base, but you never actually try to pass them.
But maybe most importantly, filibuster is a tool that only enable you to block legislation, there might be a cases where progressive causes can use it, but over the long run, it benefits those who want to keep the current state of things AKA conservatives.
Edit: also, the GOP will not hesitate to go full nuclear and cancel the filibuster, they threatened to do it during the Bush years.
speculawyer
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"And then he went one step further, spelling out the 23 different Executive Orders he will take to get your guns."
Absolutely none of those orders takes away a single gun. But he can rely upon his audience to be a bunch of ill-informed dolts that don't mind being lied to.
The Librarian
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What does Obama have to do with filibuster reform?
speculawyer
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Nothing. It is just a question in general.
soul creator
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Thanks, Congress!
Thanks, Congress!
*facepalm*
Think harder. It's not just about saving a specific animal for the animal's sake, but for preserving their place in ecosystems that we depend on for our own survival and livelihoods. For example, we can say we're concerned about having enough salmon around to eat, but if we aren't concerned about the conditions salmon need to be flourish then we're just kidding ourselves. This includes caring about plants and animals that don't directly affect us, and many are multiple steps removed. An interesting example of compounding effects is the removal of wolves from Yellowstone. This in turn allowed grazing animals like elk to eat and breed more freely, which also in turn hurt trees ability to grow tall enough to avoid being eaten, which in turn gradually deforested the area. Increased grazing also removed more streamside vegetation, which in turn increased erosion, which in turn made rivers shift more erratically.
We can go further with effects from deforestation, but I hope I've made my point. You are right in that it all comes back to us, as we have yet to escape the basic needs of eating, drinking, and breathing, but you're guilty of being shortsighted as well here.
Link
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And aren't they Executive Actions, not Orders?
oh please let's at least get something in there for a talking filibuster requirement
I'm unconvinced -- but I believe that the Senators actually working there are convinced, and I'm not sure I know more than they do. People have mentioned that the Republicans threatened to use the nuclear option a few years ago, but they don't mention that they didn't -- because of a moderate coalition that agreed to limit use of the filibuster while blocking the nuclear option. And yes, that's partly because Senators have a natural aversion to doing anything that will weaken their individual power, but that's fine with me.
I don't think the nuclear option is going to come up -- Reid just has to keep threatening to use it to negotiate. I think we can get some meaningful changes without the talking filibuster (note, of course, that the talking filibuster really isn't a meaningful change -- it's just physically unpleasant). The affirmative filibuster (requiring 41 votes to prevent debate from ending) is a reasonably good start.
Black Mamba
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http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/01/al-franken-in-good-shape-so-far.html
Oh god, please make this happen.
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