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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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I don't think GOP misinformation is the biggest component of this: the administration has done a horrible job advertising it and explaining it to people, since before the law was passed. Obviously there's a portion of the public who is simply dumb and misinformed on every issue known to man, but I'm referring to regular people who have no idea about the subsidies, and in some cases don't know "Obamacare" is a market place of private insurance.

That vacuum of confusion allowed the GOP to be more effective than they would have been otherwise.
 
You really think lack of proper advertising outweighs the shit slinging campaign the GOP ran? I don't think it helped the cause but ...

I think a lot of people had their minds made up about the plan and then never cared to learn as well. It was socialism. Rush and their local
district rep told em so.

The numbers mamba posted show this.
 
Illinois primaries were today. It looks like Rauner is going to win despite a late surge by Dillard.

Quinn is going to have a huge, up-hill battle considering he's the least popular governor in the country, unemployment is still incredibly high and he's painted as being in bed with the Unions even though he screwed them with the pension reform.

Rauner is running on a platform currently devoid of all substance except for "unions are wrecking this state" and we "need to run government like a business."

The real fucked up part is that, despite perceptions, most of the public AFSCME jobs in IL are in rural counties because of 30 years of moderate republican governors. People in southern Illinois are literally voting to handicap their local economies.
 
Illinois primaries were today. It looks like Rauner is going to win despite a late surge by Dillard.

Quinn is going to have a huge, up-hill battle considering he's the least popular governor in the country, unemployment is still incredibly high and he's painted as being in bed with the Unions even though he screwed them with the pension reform.

Rauner is running on a platform currently devoid of all substance except for "unions are wrecking this state" and we "need to run government like a business."

The real fucked up part is that, despite perceptions, most of the public AFSCME jobs in IL are in rural counties because of 30 years of moderate republican governors. People in southern Illinois are literally voting to handicap their local economies.

Why did Pat Quinn even run again?
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
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I don't care I already posted it on this page.

And you know what's also pretty dumb about that comment? Back in the early 30s, there were people in the U.S. that also attacked the rich, which included motherfuckin' FDR himself. And while the rich did end up paying vastly more under him, oddly enough we didn't turn into Nazi Germany, even though that happened to Germany. Imagine that.
 
Maybe Obummer would pay more attention if Crimea was in the NCAA tournament.

(Crap, Palin is gonna use that, isn't she)

He made at least one great pick. Go Green!
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
Maybe Obummer would pay more attention if Crimea was in the NCAA tournament.

(Crap, Palin is gonna use that, isn't she)

He made at least one great pick. Go Green!
There is a joke in here about the final four and Benghazi but I just can't work it out.
 
Why did Pat Quinn even run again?
Because he has nothing to lose. Real question is why didn't Lisa Madigan (IL attorney general) run. She is the darling of the state and could have easily won the office. Instead she is seeking re election.

Pat Quinn is really a terrible governor. He promised in 2009 he will not raise taxes. He raised them 67%. Pension system is a clusterfuck. He increased tolls. Illinois is the worst in credit rqtinf. List goes on.
 

nicoga3000

Saint Nic
Is it OK to post petitions here regarding bullshit policies? If so...

PILF petition

If you're interested in it, go ahead and click and sign it. Short version? Obama is proposing to cap the Public Interest Loan Forgiveness program at $57,500. Anyone who works in a non for profit sector knows that the loans associated with MOST of those degrees compared to the salaries is absolutely unfair. My wife is in this boat...I want to pass it around with hopes that it gets seen.

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Having said that, I don't post in politics EVER and don't follow them much. I'm going to be trying to get educated on all the various loan forgiveness and student debt related policies going on.

My question is this - why would Obama (or anyone who proposed or supports the above situation) think it's OK to do this? I mean, I realize that student debt is climbing VERY quickly due to tuition costs, but it just seems like a really terrible move.
 
Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration.

The expected rate hikes will be announced in the coming months amid an intense election year, when control of the Senate is up for grabs. The sticker shock would likely bolster the GOP’s prospects in November and hamper ObamaCare insurance enrollment efforts in 2015.


The industry complaints come less than a week after Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sought to downplay concerns about rising premiums in the healthcare sector. She told lawmakers rates would increase in 2015 but grow more slowly than in the past.

“The increases are far less significant than what they were prior to the Affordable Care Act,” the secretary said in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee.

Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.

“It’s pretty shortsighted because I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.

The insurance official, who hails from a populous swing state, said his company expects to triple its rates next year on the ObamaCare exchange.

The hikes are expected to vary substantially by region, state and carrier.

Areas of the country with older, sicker or smaller populations are likely to be hit hardest, while others might not see substantial increases at all.

Several major companies have been bullish on the healthcare law as a growth opportunity. With investors, especially, the firms downplay the consequences of more older, sicker enrollees in the risk pool.

Much will depend on how firms are coping with the healthcare law’s raft of new fees and regulatory restrictions, according to another industry official.

Some insurers initially underpriced their policies to begin with, expecting to raise rates in the second year.

Others, especially in larger states, will continue to hold rates low in order to remain competitive.


But insurance officials are quick to emphasize that any spikes would be a consequence of delays and changes in ObamaCare’s rollout.

They point out that the administration, after a massive public outcry, eased their policies to allow people to keep their old health plans. That kept some healthy people in place, instead of making them jump into the new exchanges.

Federal health officials have also limited the amount of money the government can spend to help insurers cover the cost of new, sick patients.

Perhaps most important, insurers have been disappointed that young people only make up about one-quarter of the enrollees in plans through the insurance exchanges, according to public figures that were released earlier this year. That ratio might change in the weeks ahead because the administration anticipates many more people in their 20s and 30s will sign up close to the March 31 enrollment deadline. Many insurers, however, don’t share that optimism.

These factors will have the unintended consequence of raising rates, sources said.

“We’re exasperated,” said the senior insurance official. “All of these major delays on very significant portions of the law are going to change what it’s going to cost.”

“My gut tells me that, for some people, these increases will be significant,” said Bill Hoagland, a former executive at Cigna and current senior vice president at the Bipartisan Policy Center.


Hoagland said Sebelius was seeking to “soften up the American public” to the likelihood that premiums will rise, despite promises to the contrary.

Republicans frequently highlight President Obama’s promise on the campaign trail to enact a healthcare law that would “cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

“They’re going to have to backpedal on that,” said Hoagland, who called Sebelius’s comment a “pre-emptive strike.”

“This was her way of getting out in front of it,” he added.

HHS didn’t comment for this article.

Insurers will begin the process this spring by filing their rate proposals with state officials.

Insurance commissioners will then release the rates sometime this summer, usually when they’re approved. Insurers could also leak their rates earlier as a political statement.

In some states, commissioners have the authority to deny certain rate increases, which could help prevent the most drastic hikes.

Either way, there will be a slew of bad headlines for the Obama administration just months before the election.

“It’s pretty bad timing,” said one insurance official.

Other health experts say predictions about premiums are premature.

David Cutler, who has been called an architect of Obama-Care, said, “Health premiums increase every year, so the odds are very good that they will increase next year as well. None of that is news. The question is whether it will be a lot or a little. That depends in part on how big the insurers think the exchanges will be.”

Jon Gruber, who also helped design the Affordable Care Act, said, “The bottom line is that we just don’t know. Premiums were rising 7 to 10 percent a year before the law. So the question is whether we will see a continuation of that sort of single digit increase, as Sebelius said, or whether it will be larger.”

The White House and its allies have launched a full-court press to encourage healthy millennials to purchase coverage on the marketplaces.

HHS announced this week that sign-ups have exceeded 5 million, a marked increase since March 1.

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Tuesday claimed the administration has picked up the pace considerably, saying months ago reporters would have laughed if he “had said there would be 5 million enrollees by March 18.”

It remains unclear how many of those enrollees lost their insurance last year because of the law’s mandates. Critics have also raised questions about how the administration is counting people who signed up for insurance plans.

Political operatives will be watching premium increases this summer, most notably in states where there are contested Senate races.

In Iowa, which hosts the first presidential caucus in the nation and has a competitive Senate race this year, rates are expected to rise 100 percent on the exchange and by double digits on the larger, employer-based market, according to a recent article in the Business Record.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...premiums-are-about-to-skyrocket#ixzz2wPpaTsqu
 
how much would a huge increase in cost like that effect people who have subsidies? Would subsidies increase to cover most of the increase in cost or not? Also, don't substantial rate hikes have to be approved by the government now? Doubling rates seems excessive even with the lackluster rollout.

The subsidies are pegged to percentages of income, so I don't believe they would be affected.
 

KingGondo

Banned
That is gold. Such a perfect summary of the nonscience on much of the right.
Climate change denial has to be the most widely-accepted conspiracy theory out there by far.

Because that's what it is. You either believe that science is trying to find the truth or they're all lying, because... reasons.
 
Illinois primaries were today. It looks like Rauner is going to win despite a late surge by Dillard.

Quinn is going to have a huge, up-hill battle considering he's the least popular governor in the country, unemployment is still incredibly high and he's painted as being in bed with the Unions even though he screwed them with the pension reform.

Rauner is running on a platform currently devoid of all substance except for "unions are wrecking this state" and we "need to run government like a business."

The real fucked up part is that, despite perceptions, most of the public AFSCME jobs in IL are in rural counties because of 30 years of moderate republican governors. People in southern Illinois are literally voting to handicap their local economies.

Meh as long as the Dems stay in control of the legislature there can't be too much damage done.

Also someone on SA pointed out that Rauner spent millions and totally outspent his opponents and only got 40% of the vote. He's said he's in favor of reducing the minimum wage and destroying the unions, he's got as much of a battle as Quinn does in getting eleected.
 

Mario

Sidhe / PikPok
Climate change denial has to be the most widely-accepted conspiracy theory out there by far.

Because that's what it is. You either believe that science is trying to find the truth or they're all lying, because... reasons.

Them fat government grant checks.
 
McConnell's getting dumped on for kicking left-leaning journalists out of public events.

Jesse Benton, Mr. McConnell's campaign manager, initially claimed Mr. Sonka was barred because other reporters objected to his presence.

But he refused to identify them and the notion of reporters having veto power over other reporters is absurd.

Mr. Benton changed his story for Politico, saying that Mr. Sonka simply wasn't wanted at a "private event" where "select members of the media were invited to attend for an intimate question and answer session."

Mr. McConnell could clear this up. But he's an expert at avoiding questions.

Now he has the police helping him.
If Kentucky were any bluer he wouldn't have a chance. What an idiot.

And he may still lose!
 

Wilsongt

Member
lol @ People agreeing with Mitt.

You know, everyone at some point can find something to agree with Mitt on, mainly for the fact that he has switched positions so many times on everything that everyone agreed at some point.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Writing on TownHall.com in December of 2008, Prager compares a man’s obligation to go to work, regardless of his “mood,” to a woman’s obligation to have sex with her husband.

“Why would a loving, wise woman allow mood to determine whether or not she will give her husband one of the most important expressions of love she can show him? What else in life, of such significance, do we allow to be governed by mood?” he writes.

“What if your husband woke up one day and announced that he was not in the mood to go to work?”


He goes on to compare a wife’s commitment to meeting the needs of their children or parents or friends even when not in the mood to having sex with her husband, asking that, because the woman is doing what’s “right in those cases, rather than what their mood dictates,” “Why not apply this attitude to sex with one’s husband?”

Hear that, wimmenz?
 
Is it OK to post petitions here regarding bullshit policies? If so...

PILF petition

If you're interested in it, go ahead and click and sign it. Short version? Obama is proposing to cap the Public Interest Loan Forgiveness program at $57,500. Anyone who works in a non for profit sector knows that the loans associated with MOST of those degrees compared to the salaries is absolutely unfair. My wife is in this boat...I want to pass it around with hopes that it gets seen.

=========================

Having said that, I don't post in politics EVER and don't follow them much. I'm going to be trying to get educated on all the various loan forgiveness and student debt related policies going on.

My question is this - why would Obama (or anyone who proposed or supports the above situation) think it's OK to do this? I mean, I realize that student debt is climbing VERY quickly due to tuition costs, but it just seems like a really terrible move.

The reasoning for this is that as long as loan forgiveness is unlimited, schools have no reason to work on lowering or limiting the rise in tuition. If you cap it at a specific amount, then people will think about accepting that Tier III law school offer that's going to cost them $40,000 a year.
 
Them fat government grant checks.

Yeah, that one cracks me up. Yeah, that is where the big money is .. . government science!

And worse when they point to Al Gore or solar & wind companies trying to make the big bucks. Al Gore has said many times that he's donated all his money from his book, movie, environmental investments.

And those big money solar & wind companies . .. the ones that go bankrupt all the time. And then they complain about them as bad investments that the government put their money into. So are they big money or not?

And in comparison the oil & gas business? Sheesh.

The money argument is just the worst.
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
Climate change denial has to be the most widely-accepted conspiracy theory out there by far.

Because that's what it is. You either believe that science is trying to find the truth or they're all lying, because... reasons.

I have a mother that went from accepting climate change to being a denialist and her main argument is "If climate change were such a big issue companies would already be investing in renewable energies in droves for profit reasons" oh and "lots of scientists are skeptical of climate change" I question her on these arguments and it all eventually gets to the point where it boils down to "She consumes less than me therefore she's holds less personal responsibility for contributing to climate change" it's just man.
 

Triple? This sounds like bullshit to me. Unless it's only referring to very specific catastrophic plans almost no one is buying.

I have a hard time believing this when you look at the ACA numbers given by Charles Gaba plus the knowledge that anywhere from half of all signups can be off-exchange (which means around 10-12 million total will have signed up prior to the deadline) which would be great news for premiums.

And any insurance agent focusing on "young people" rather than "healthy people" are misleading on purpose.

how much would a huge increase in cost like that effect people who have subsidies? Would subsidies increase to cover most of the increase in cost or not? Also, don't substantial rate hikes have to be approved by the government now? Doubling rates seems excessive even with the lackluster rollout.

Subsidies increase because your premium cost is based strictly on your income and not the price being charge. You can only pay a percentage of your income and not a penny more.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Well, insiders on neogaf said #PS4noDRM campaign made it to sony HQ's highest floor and boldened their decision to disregard the dumb always online option.

The push back also made Microsoft reverse course on it. So a good petition can have a lot of power.
 
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A Republican candidate who believes that God dictates weather patterns and that tornadoes, autism and dementia are God's punishments for marriage equality and abortion access won the GOP nomination to challenge Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) in the Chicago-area 9th Congressional District.

Susanne Atanus, of Niles, Ill., garnered 54 percent of the vote in her Tuesday win over David Earl Williams III.

"I am not in favor of abortions, I am not in favor of gay rights," Atanus told the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper, in January.

She blamed natural disasters and mental disorders on recent advances in LGBT equality and legal abortions.

"God is angry. We are provoking him with abortions and same-sex marriage and civil unions," she said. "Same-sex activity is going to increase AIDS. If it's in our military, it will weaken our military. We need to respect God."

Atanus also reached out to the Windy City Times, an LGBT publication, in an attempt to explain her views.

"Everybody knows that God controls weather," she told the news site in January. "God is super angry," she added. "Gay marriage is not appropriate, and it doesn't look right, and it breeds AIDS."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/19/susanne-atanus-congress-_n_4993555.html

I know . . . she's just some fringe candidate that won't win. But she got 54% of the GOP vote to win nomination!
 
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