Yes, I know. I think Bertram's argument about minorities is terrible. What I'm saying is as a separate argument is that a) if you want to vote in the primaries for the most electable candidate, and b) you suppose that more Democrats will refuse to vote Clinton than Sanders and the amount of Republicans and independents will remain constant, then logically c) you should vote for Sanders. If you are rejecting this, then you are rejecting either the premise that more Democrats will refuse to vote Clinton than Sanders or the premise that the amount of Republican/independent voters is constant. Most people here aren't rejecting the last one, they're saying "It's a fucking disgrace because it might lead to Clinton losing", implying they're more worried about the Democratic voter rate than the Republican/independent one. This means there are more Clinton supporters who intend to sit out the election, so railing on at Sanders supporters for something they do less of is inane and hypocritical. The only reason you see them more is because Clinton supporters don't really have to admit they wouldn't vote Sanders because it is highly unlikely he will win.
Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 15m15 minutes ago
I listened to talk radio for about 4 hours today. They still like Trump, if you were wondering
AP was blowing up my phone with like three updates about Trump visiting, and then maybe visiting but did not confirm, Jordan.
Despite my great respect for King Abdullah II, I will not be visiting Jordan at this time. This is in response to the false @AP report.
Fox Business is doing another debate Jan 14
:,(I've already got this one if you were wondering. Any word on the moderators or is it the same morons?
Ben Carson is a sedated idiot. Too much religion bruh.
This feels like arbitrage. Paul has met the requirements to make the CNN debate and yet he's at 10% Yes on Predictit.
I expect this to blow up in my face.
Trump is like that final boss that no matter what you do to attack him it makes no dent in his hp. If you cast magic attacks on him, it only heals him.
In those sorts of circumstances, usually you need to use the plot-related Macguffin to break through the bosses defense or make them mortal or whatever. What would the Macguffin be in this circumstance?
Do people buy the narrative that Trump is trying to self-sabotage himself because actually being President would be too hard/too time consuming and he doesn't actually want to go all the way but his ego/brand won't let him just quit? I've heard some appealing arguments but I don't think I buy it entirely. Worth entertaining or pure nonsense?
Wow I love how all the Bernie fans are pledging allegiance to Trump in the poll thread.
The national spokesperson for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign seemingly saw no difference between law-abiding Muslims and the “insurgents” Trump purports to want to keep out of the US with his proposed ban on Muslim immigration in a heated discussion with CNN’s S.E. Cupp on Tuesday.
“No one’s talking about allowing insurgents,” Cupp said to Katrina Pierson. “You’re talking about not allowing regular Muslims. That’s what you’re talking about. No one’s talking about insurgents.”
“Yes, from Arab nations,” Pierson responded. “You know what? So what? They’re Muslim.”
“So what?” Cupp asked. “That’s not the nation we live in, Katrina.”
“But it is, S.E.,” Pierson countered. “Simply because you have people coming across through the refugee system and the visa system — including the woman that came in San Bernardino on a visa system, as well as some of the 9/11 hijackers. We have to put a pause to figure out how we could better vet these people.”
So what? They’re Muslim.”
So what? They’re Muslim.”
So what? They’re Muslim.”
Also judging from OT a lot of the "hurrrr if not sanders then trump" voters don't think he'll go through with it anyway.I'm telling you guys Trump has found the best target. The vast majority of Americans have never met or closely know a muslim and the only interaction or knowledge they have of islam is what they see on the news and it's all bad. I would be shocked if this hurt him.
"He's a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot," Graham told Alisyn Camerota. "He doesn't represent my party. He doesn't represents the values that the men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. ... He's the ISIL man of the year.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-go-to-hell-ted-cruz/"You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell,"
Do people buy the narrative that Trump is trying to self-sabotage himself because actually being President would be too hard/too time consuming and he doesn't actually want to go all the way but his ego/brand won't let him just quit? I've heard some appealing arguments but I don't think I buy it entirely. Worth entertaining or pure nonsense?
As far as I can tell there are a ton of people severely in denial about the idea that, in a country where lots of people hate and fear Muslims, a political candidate would find success by hating and fearing Muslims.
After checking in on things, I've come to a conclusion.
A lot of people on NeoGAF.com don't have the slightest clue what fascism or Nazism is/was.
probably some form of denial about how much their precious "legitimate" state and political culture already operates in manners resembling fascist ones amirite
The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people.
...everything in the state, nothing against the State, nothing outside the state.
The Fascist State, as a higher and more powerful expression of personality, is a force, but a spiritual one. It sums up all the manifestations of the moral and intellectual life of man. Its functions cannot therefore be limited to those of enforcing order and keeping the peace, as the liberal doctrine had it. It is no mere mechanical device for defining the sphere within which the individual may duly exercise his supposed rights. The Fascist State is an inwardly accepted standard and rule of conduct, a discipline of the whole person; it permeates the will no less than the intellect. It stands for a principle which becomes the central motive of man as a member of civilized society, sinking deep down into his personality; it dwells in the heart of the man of action and of the thinker, of the artist and of the man of science: soul of the soul.
Fascism, in short, is not only a law-giver and a founder of institutions, but an educator and a promoter of spiritual life. It aims at refashioning not only the forms of life but their content - man, his character, and his faith. To achieve this propose it enforces discipline and uses authority, entering into the soul and ruling with undisputed sway. Therefore it has chosen as its emblem the Lictor’s rods, the symbol of unity, strength, and justice.
The Fascist State is, however, a unique and original creation. It is not reactionary but revolutionary, for it anticipates the solution of certain universal problems which have been raised elsewhere, in the political field by the splitting up of parties, the usurpation of power by parliaments, the irresponsibility of assemblies; in the economic field by the increasingly numerous and important functions discharged by trade unions and trade associations with their disputes and ententes, affecting both capital and labor; in the ethical field by the need felt for order, discipline, obedience to the moral dictates of patriotism.
Fascism desires the State to be strong and organic, based on broad foundations of popular support. The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporative, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organized in their respective associations, circulate within the State. A State based on millions of individuals who recognize its authority, feel its action, and are ready to serve its ends is not the tyrannical state of a medieval lordling. It has nothing in common with the despotic States existing prior to or subsequent to 1789.
Far from crushing the individual, the Fascist State multiplies his energies, just as in a regiment a soldier is not diminished but multiplied by the number of his fellow soldiers. The Fascist State organizes the nation, but it leaves the individual adequate elbow room. It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential. In such matters the individual cannot be the judge, but the State only.
Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual. And if liberty is to be the attribute of the real man, and not of that abstract puppet envisaged by individualistic Liberalism, Fascism is for liberty. And for the only liberty which can be a real thing, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value,-outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State, the synthesis and unity of all values, interprets, develops and gives strength to the whole life of the people.
Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups.
The man of Fascism is an individual who is nation and fatherland, which is a moral law, binding together individuals and the generations into a tradition and a mission, suppressing the instinct for a life enclosed within the brief round of pleasure in order to restore within duty a higher life free from the limits of time and space: a life in which the individual, through the denial of himself, through the sacrifice of his own private interests, through death itself, realizes that completely spiritual existence in which his value as a man lies.
Wow. How did this not get more play? Poor Graham. Seriously props to him for actually standing up against Trump, unlike that coward Paul Ryan who said he'd still support him for the nomination.
Graham is so frustrating because he's very reasonable on most issues. Undoubtedly conservative, but reasonable and pretty good natured.
Then he starts talking about defense and it all goes to hell.
They don't pay close attention to politics. Forgive them.Oh god, now "Lindsey Graham is a tolerable Republican" has started just after we seemed to have finally got rid of the Kasich thing.
I may be blowing hot air but this is why I feel like Clinton pandering to sanders voters is probably not worth it. Then again, I think the Internet is just a loud base of whiny children and most sanders voters are entirely rational middle class adults who just agree more with him than with her at this stage. But goddamn if seeing stuff like oh it's a dynasty, she's slimy, she stands for nothing, etc. make me wonder if there is a really significant portion of Bernie stans that cannot be convinced so why damage general electability to veer left?anything but another clinton. remember how horrible the 90s were
seriously though if some of those people are over 25 or so that's just sad
So whats going on w/ Rubio's campaign? he was surging, and hes still climbing, but not at the rate I think some expected given his endorsements
A majority of the base (over 50%) prefers a political outsider. You can blame decades of republicans demonizing the concept of government for this.
Endorsements won't matter at all for these people.
Sure. But Rubio is technically an outsider.A majority of the base (over 50%) prefers a political outsider. You can blame decades of republicans demonizing the concept of government for this.
Endorsements won't matter at all for these people.
The internet just lets you see this in real time.I may be blowing hot air but this is why I feel like Clinton pandering to sanders voters is probably not worth it. Then again, I think the Internet is just a loud base of whiny children and most sanders voters are entirely rational middle class adults who just agree more with him than with her at this stage. But goddamn if seeing stuff like oh it's a dynasty, she's slimy, she stands for nothing, etc. make me wonder if there is a really significant portion of Bernie stans that cannot be convinced so why damage general electability to veer left?
Again I think I just have to repeat to myself...INTERNET
I don't think "technically" is convincing for the GOP base this election. Rubio is someone who's been in government for years. That's the problem.Sure. But Rubio is technically an outsider.
Graham is so frustrating because he's very reasonable on most issues. Undoubtedly conservative, but reasonable and pretty good natured.
Then he starts talking about defense and it all goes to hell.
Where exactly?Wow I love how all the Bernie fans are pledging allegiance to Trump in the poll thread.
Where exactly?
Idk, I'm a liberal thinker, I believe in progressive ideas, and I can exercise those beliefs in my day to day. I don't have to believe what a republican thinks....
With that said, I do not want another democrat running this country.
So I'll probably just vote for trump
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