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PoliGAF 2015-2016 |OT3| If someone named PhoenixDark leaves your party, call the cops
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Before I head out, an 18 year old Cruz for all of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-vG_TdOT4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-vG_TdOT4&feature=youtu.be
Romney won a larger percent of the white vote than any other politician in over 20 years. And he still got slaughtered.
If you want to win the GE than you have to do very well with Latinos and minority's. Trump is probably going to do even worse with them than Romney.
eBay Huckster
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a larger percent of a substantially smaller turnout pie than 2004
AnotherNils
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Haha, I just had the dumbest thought. It'd be hilarious if the establishment was playing 13th dimensional chess, hoping that backing Trump would turn off his anti-establishment supporters.
Reddit has been fucking insufferable with the Bernie nonsense. It even seeps out to non political subreddits far too often. There is no room to say anything positive about Hillary.
eBay Huckster
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re: the primary race that's slightly less on the side of "already over", nate silver just posted what might be his funniest tweet i've read all cycle
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That plan is negative dimensional, because then they'll just go Cruz.
AnotherNils
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Well its not believable because its based on the premise they like Cruz. Even dogs don't like Cruz.
User 463088
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Yaaaasssss for my queen getting the endorsement. I agree, it probably doesn't move the needle, but I think it could refirm up some of the support the Seltzer poll moved from Hillary to undecided. A point or two is all we would really need. A marginal Hillary win basically means Bernie can't win the delegate math.
So, has the Register been thrown under the bus yet? I assume they have.
So, has the Register been thrown under the bus yet? I assume they have.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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No, it's simple.
1. The Establishment embraces Trump
2. Trump loses because of this.
3. Cruz wins nomination.
4. Cruz is assassinated.
5. Establishment wins!
Ogrekiller
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you know it thanks to reddit.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/des-moines-register-endorses-clinton-rubio-primary-iowa/
User 463088
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Oh Lord, one of my favorite things I've ever read on DailyKos is someone spinning this endorsement as bad news for John McCain...I mean Hillary Clinton because the DMR also endorsed Rubio. If they wanted to be taken seriously, they should have only endorsed Hillary...and refused to endorse a GOPPER. But, because they went ahead and endorsed Hillary and Rubio, it proves she's a Republican lite.
Oh lawd.
Oh lawd.
I mean, if when the GOP reorients they used Bloomberg's political views as a sort of baseline it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
disastermouse
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Do you know that logic can dictate a relationship one way but not the other? The establishment is old and white /= everyone old and white is part of the establishment.
Basic logic, brah.
shinra-bansho
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Stray thought on the "establishment" somewhat following discussion in here that it's become a term to describe pretty much anything and after Sanders mini-gaffe in including PP and HRC, which has since been walked back.
PP and HRC can certainly be classified under the nebulous term. The NAACP can. EMILY's list. NARAL. Something like Everytown for Gun Safety. The various unions are too. CNN and NYT and the MSM?
The thing is, so far as I can tell, I don't actually think Democrats dislike their establishment, in the same way that the GOP are utterly disenchanted with theirs.
They don't dislike Obama and his White House. At best they're probably indifferent to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
Everybody seemingly loathes DWS, but more because she's DWS than the position she holds or the organisation she leads.
PP and HRC can certainly be classified under the nebulous term. The NAACP can. EMILY's list. NARAL. Something like Everytown for Gun Safety. The various unions are too. CNN and NYT and the MSM?
The thing is, so far as I can tell, I don't actually think Democrats dislike their establishment, in the same way that the GOP are utterly disenchanted with theirs.
They don't dislike Obama and his White House. At best they're probably indifferent to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.
Everybody seemingly loathes DWS, but more because she's DWS than the position she holds or the organisation she leads.
disastermouse
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Well no, that's bad logic.
I do think that Hillary should drop the 'working across the aisle' shit, like, yesterday. It's not a primary message that anyone on the left needs to hear. We watched Obama attempt this and there's no reason to believe a centrist Democrat can do that.
It's a general election talking point. Hardline left-wingers in the Democratic primary might not want to hear it, but it appeals to the 65 y/o suburban grandmother, or the middle aged Cuban from Southern Florida, who vote Republican but are turned off by Trump.
Like over half her speeches have something or other about fighting the republicans tooth and nail.
They don't seem to, no.
I mean, there are a minority of Sanders supporters who appear to have a Sanders or bust mentality, but there are plenty who appear willing to support HRC as a fallback.
Aaron Strife
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Lol, newspapers do this all the time to look nonpartisan.
In recent memory, Star Tribune endorsed Kerry-Obama-Obama, but were more mixed for downticket races. Klobuchar 06 and 12, Coleman 08 and Franken in 14 for Senate races, Horner in 10 and Dayton in 14 for governor's races... And then in Congressional and state legislature races they're all over the place. It's pretty in line with a moderate, yet firmly Democratic-leaning state.
Last year they endorsed Tim Walz (moderate D), Collin Peterson (conservative D), Erik Paulsen (incumbent R) John Kline (incumbent R) and Stewart Mills (challenger to incumbent D Rick Nolan who's pretty liberal). Districts 4, 5 and 6 didn't get any endorsements because we all knew how they'd vote. 4 and 5 are both based in the Twin Cities and will elect liberals forever, while Bachmann being unhinged was the only factor that made MN-6 (most Republican district in the state) competitive, and ST always endorsed her challengers.
Today's fun game:
Although Mr
s ultra-Keynesian America is barrelling along towards full employment, all its trading and budget accounts are frighteningly out of balance. A sound international economic order cannot be built on the assumption that the rumbustiously richest country will go on borrowing unprecedented amounts at enormous interest rates from everybody else for ever.”
Guess what newspaper it is, talking about who, in what year.
Although Mr
. . . . . . . .
Guess what newspaper it is, talking about who, in what year.
Cesare Borgia
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But...that's what the DMR does when there is no incumbent in the race - they nominate two candidates , a republican and a democrat.
ugaboga232
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I'm sure people have brought this up before, but what was the point of this page: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/
Seems like a crappy buzzfeed article.
Seems like a crappy buzzfeed article.
Please don't talk bad about my abuela.
That's a rough pick. Damn. I reeeally don't like Fiorina. She seems joyless.
At least Ted's willing to do bad Simpsons impersonations, and I share his like of The Princess Bride.
Basileus777
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Cruz. Not only does he say despicable things, he's a true believer.
shinra-bansho
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Cruzorina.
Poodlestrike
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I'm gonna guess Roosevelt, in... 1939 or so, by the Wall Street Journal.
I think Fiorina. Fiorina, unlike Cruz, has not a leg to stand on like...anywhere. Horrible in business, simply horrible. Just horrible. She has never won anything. She's just a huge loser. She is a female who denies the existence of institutional sexism. She is, like Cruz, a liar. The media also tried to make her happen at least three times. She's basically breaking the law with her superpac.
And she still won't go away.
And she still won't go away.
Basileus777
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Fiorina will be gone soon. Cruz is going to be in the Senate for at least another 8 years.
You're probably right. I think Cruz would at least attempt to charm you before stabbing you in the back. Fiorina would probably just ask you to turn around.
OrangeGrayBlue
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New York Post, Eisenhower, 1954. *shrug*
RustyNails
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I'm in the same boat. I can tolerate Ted but not Carly. Ted is also accomplished (in his own way), arguing in Supreme Court, etc. For reference, I used to mute whenever Carly started speaking during the earlier debates. She is absolutely unbearable.
ugaboga232
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Having googled and cheated
Reagen 1984, no endorsement for either side, very interesting
User 463088
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There are a lot of things one can criticize Hillary Clinton on. I can provide a few, even though I'm a supporter. However, her being naive about what Republicans are capable of, and would do, when she becomes President is not one of them.
I do not believe she's talking about winning GOP support. Instead, I think she's talking about holding the Dem caucus together. With Bernie there, his agenda is not going to be passed even if we manage a majority in both houses. It's just too liberal. He'd get some of what he wants, and I bet, dollars to doughnuts, it would be identical to the things Hillary is proposing. She knows where the votes are.
disastermouse
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Great. Save it for the general.
disastermouse
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We would never be sure that Hillary was really trying that hard. That's the plain and simple view from the left.
Why? She's running for the Democratic nomination but that's not the ultimate goal.
User 463088
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Trying hard and accomplishing nothing results in absolutely nothing. Bernie wants to lead the country he's created in his mind. It's just not the United States of America. Hillary knows what she can accomplish. That's the stuff she's offering. Not a unicorn in every garage and a golden goose in every pot.
And, please, do not speak for the "left." I am the left. Just because I'm neither an ideologue nor willfully ignoring the political reality in this country doesn't make me less left wing than any one else.
We, literally, cannot allow ourselves to fall into the Tea Party "Not conservative enough" shit. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Trying hard and accomplishing nothing results in absolutely nothing. Bernie wants to lead the country he's created in his mind. It's just not the United States of America. Hillary knows what she can accomplish. That's the stuff she's offering. Not a unicorn in every garage and a golden goose in every pot.
And, please, do not speak for the "left." I am the left. Just because I'm neither an ideologue nor willfully ignoring the political reality in this country doesn't make me less left wing than any one else.
We, literally, cannot allow ourselves to fall into the Tea Party "Not conservative enough" shit. It's absolutely ridiculous.
agreed. I've notice that too much in the Bernie/Hillary wars threads.
That's what she's running for right now. She's basically paying lip service to the nomination since she knows it's hers.
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