I feel like we're being trolled.
It seems like, at least online, it's turning into Ron Paul 2.0
It seems like, at least online, it's turning into Ron Paul 2.0
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He's also said Clarence Thomas is his ideal for a Supreme Court nominee so I'm sure that campaign finance reform is right around the corner.
Also the idea that there's an equivalency between Bernie Sanders decades long support for LGBT rights and Trump basically saying there's nothing that can be done about marriage equality under the current Supreme Court is laughable. He's still against same sex marriage and if given the opportunity to nominate Supreme Court justices he will absolutely nominate those who think the same.
I don't think anyone is blaming Bernie himself.
Fundamentally this really exemplifies the problem with the Trump/Bernie supporter -- they are totally agnostic to the type of change that happens as long as there's change. It's important to energize the voting public! Whether we do so by energizing youth and liberals or by energizing virulent racism and white supremacy doesn't really matter, as long as it gets ENERGIZED! The reason they don't care about the monumental policy differences between Bernie and Trump is that they don't really believe in policy. Their approach to government is nihilistic. All they want is an end to the status quo.
Coriolanus
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Assuming that is true, how large a voting block do you think Sandernistas who would also vote for Trump are, pidg?
Congratulations! If you're not trolling, you've now posted two of the dumbest posts in the history of Poli-GAF!!
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Whether it's Bernie or his supporters on reddit isn't really central to my point.
So if I care about campaign finance but don't care about gay rights, Trump may have appeal where Hillary doesn't.
Whether it's Bernie or his supporters on reddit isn't really central to my point.
I think this is missing the mark. Some people care about specific things. For example if Bernie and Trump are aligned on an issue somebody is seriously invested in more than others, then flipping back and forth between parties makes sense to the extent that the president goes after that narrow policy goal.
So if I care about campaign finance but don't care about gay rights, Trump may have appeal where Hillary doesn't.
Oh shit. Guys I'm in trouble. The last day to sign up for Obummercare is tomorrow and I need help.
I recently lost my job, and with that, so went away my health insurance. This happened in the beginning of October. Since I'm jobless, and incomeless, can I qualify for medicaid, or is there a period I have to wait after I lost my job?
I recently lost my job, and with that, so went away my health insurance. This happened in the beginning of October. Since I'm jobless, and incomeless, can I qualify for medicaid, or is there a period I have to wait after I lost my job?
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vicissitudes, literally none the shit on your list was policy-based except I guess tenuously the notion that "ideologically" they don't have representation in the main parties, and they're only the same on that in the sense that they're completely different. Marriage equality is a non-issue now - you'll get a few who campaign on a constitutional amendment, but it's really a non-starter and even most GOP voters know that. Literally nobody is going to say "they would have been in Iraq" now it's obvious how much of a fuck-up it was, it's a benefit of hindsight thing. Clinton also wants to try and get rid of Citizens United, she just thinks she can't win without PAC money. I think she probably could, but I don't blame her for thinking otherwise, this is an unusual election and typically money has had much more importance. She's also been pushed into an anti-TPP position - thanks to Sanders, but still there now. If you even read the Trump article on healthcare you posted, he's essentially expanding Medicare to the poorest, rather than implementing a comprehensive single-payer scheme. In that respect, Trump's position is closer to Clinton's, not Sanders.
If you're looking for issues where Trump and Sanders have more overlap than Clinton and Sanders, you're looking at just marijuana and maybe depending on how you interpret it taxes on Wall Street, which is a tiny part of the problem with Wall Street anyway, the main part being the horrific regulation in place. Meanwhile, you have to overlook the fact that Trump would essentially persecute Muslim Americans on a scale not seen since the Japanese internment camps, just to name one issue of many. Absolutely smh at the notion a Trump vote is anything like a Sanders vote.
If you're looking for issues where Trump and Sanders have more overlap than Clinton and Sanders, you're looking at just marijuana and maybe depending on how you interpret it taxes on Wall Street, which is a tiny part of the problem with Wall Street anyway, the main part being the horrific regulation in place. Meanwhile, you have to overlook the fact that Trump would essentially persecute Muslim Americans on a scale not seen since the Japanese internment camps, just to name one issue of many. Absolutely smh at the notion a Trump vote is anything like a Sanders vote.
BrokenIcarus
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Let's also not forget Bernie is firmly for measures against Climate Change, Trump thinks it's a hoax. 
Let's also not forget Bernie is firmly for measures against Climate Change, Trump thinks it's a hoax.
fucking trump and climate change bullshit.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/donald-trump-on-climate-change.html
"http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/donald-trump-on-climate-change.html"
Like in that link, wtf is he talking about? OOOh, I believe in the climate, but I want all the money cause im a piece of shit and i'll be dead before shit hits the fan and probably my kids too. Fuck off. Never compare shits like da donald and the Koch sociopaths to a progressive like the Bernie Or hell, even progressive neolibs like clintons and obama. Fuck, even lieberman that slimy cunt is better in most areas than Donald. Dont even start me on economics differences. Give me a sober moment, but I know your links visscitudes, and you're still only looking surface level, despite probably dozens of replies rebuke.
We understand populism and what it is and the bern espouses it all like da donald yes. But in ways that are fundamentally so different that they dont even occupy the same map. Like Koch bros trying to make believe that they're rockefeller republicans. No one sane would switch from Bernie to Donald unless they're on some bullshit acceleration path and want to see the world burn.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I'm a Bernie supporter and I think vicissitudes and I are miles apart in terms of what a "Bernie supporter" is. I don't think it's helpful, or even accurate, to paint in such broad strokes. I would be a lot more enthusiastic for Hillary if she were further left, not if she were more "energizing". It's strictly a matter of policy for me, but of course it doesn't hurt that Bernie comes across as sincere in his beliefs in a way that not all politicians do.
BertramCooper
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Trump...HONEST...lol
That would be an ugly campaign. When Kanye accuses Smith of lying about beating Mike Tyson, voting parents just won't understand. Then Smith will fire back on Kanye's history of being a black skinhead, particularly focusing on his racist gaffe about Paris. Might even go to a convention fight and my mom got scared, she said "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said Fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, "Nah, forget it. Yo homes, to Bel-Air!" I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabbie, "Yo homes, smell ya later!" I looked at my kingdom, I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel-Air.
Nah, these accelerationist kids are just the usual meniscus of disaffected and disengaged idiots we get every election, most Bernie supporters are solid. If Bernie were to sit down with a "supporter" who listed Trump as his #2, he'd slap his shit into next week. They're no more significant than the PUMAs were. Pay 'em no mind.
Coriolanus
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Bel-Air.
In 2015.
Brb an heroing.
Bit about the pumas is most likely on the nose tho
In 2015.
Brb an heroing.
Bit about the pumas is most likely on the nose tho
Oh my. 38%? That 41% isn't looking like such an outlier now.
Middle of December, and the man's only getting stronger. Tonight should be fun, especially if desperation is setting-in.
*sips tea*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kymGYuMa_k0
#InternationalTeaDay
"Policy? Oh pish-posh! That's not important!"
Like I said earlier: it must feel reeeally damn nice to feel immune to the consequences of elections, and to not give a damn about anyone else.
In retrospect.. it is another version of the "fuck you, I'll be fine" line of Republican thought.
Middle of December, and the man's only getting stronger. Tonight should be fun, especially if desperation is setting-in.
*sips tea*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kymGYuMa_k0
#InternationalTeaDay
At this point, I'm getting more comedy out of this (very small, #NotAllBernieFans) crowd than anything else.
"Policy? Oh pish-posh! That's not important!"
Like I said earlier: it must feel reeeally damn nice to feel immune to the consequences of elections, and to not give a damn about anyone else.
In retrospect.. it is another version of the "fuck you, I'll be fine" line of Republican thought.
Abinash117
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I think this is it. I think I said some of these Bernie supporters aren't loyal to liberal beliefs. They are just the revolutionary types. Contrarian who support anyone that shack things up.
I think even if a facist-like person like Trump have some "liberal"-like policies some people will vote for him based on that.
Trying to compare Bernie and Trump is stupid and an insult to Bernie and liberals.
Veritigo_X
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If that's the case, I wish these people would just cut out Bernie and start supporting their boy Trump.
If Trump is their second choice, they obviously don't care about anything Sanders is saying besides the very few ideas they share (which aren't even major points of each of their campaigns) and should cut the act of pretending to be progressive.
One huge question mark in Iowa: Trump's ground game operation.
The Des Moines Register did a piece on this very subject:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...rn-out-for-trump-volunteer-training/77278342/
My favorite part:
This tease - it reminds me of Monty Hall on Let's Make A Deal, where the Mystery Box is being dangled in front of the contestant. It could be anything!
The Des Moines Register did a piece on this very subject:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...rn-out-for-trump-volunteer-training/77278342/
My favorite part:
This tease - it reminds me of Monty Hall on Let's Make A Deal, where the Mystery Box is being dangled in front of the contestant. It could be anything!
even if this is the end of your special enrollment period you still have till the end of open enrollment which is January 31st (don't know how this affects penalties but, self reporting lol) If you qualify you can apply for medicaid at any time.
I suggest you contact your state exchange for info, if one exists. They should be able to tell you if you qualify for Medicaid as well.
Trump is a juggernaut. Kind of crazy, really. This entire year has been dominated by Donald Trump when it comes to politics.
If this man becomes President, the US will never be the same.
I really hope Trump doesn't and instead becomes a catalyst for the beginning of the end of the GOP as we know it.
If this man becomes President, the US will never be the same.
I really hope Trump doesn't and instead becomes a catalyst for the beginning of the end of the GOP as we know it.
It will be interesting to see if Trump has achieved the critical mass required to defeat right wing talk radio. Hearing Levin and Limbaugh come out in defense of Cruz makes me wonder if this group will be the vanguard of his destruction or if he is truly indestructible and can attack Cruz with impunity.
j_k_redtail
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I wish people would realize that "honesty" and "saying what you think" are not the same thing.
RustyNails
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Can we make a "white people celebrating gifs" thread? Perfect compliment to the dancing one.I don't know why the media makes such a big deal out of it, I mean we've seen people from Jersey cheering for worse organizations than Al Qaeda.
I kind of enjoyed it.
Small. To be clear, I'm talking specifically about supporters of both Sanders and Trump. If you support just Sanders, that's potentially reasonable. Supporting just Trump is less so, but at least consistent.
There were grumblings around the conservative newsosphere yesterday about how Limbaugh was finally turning on Trump.
Limbaugh now appears to be attempting a smooth-over:
"I Didn't Turn on Anybody!"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3372917/posts
I am dumbfounded that the GOP frontrunner may be getting-away with criticizing Cruz, let alone criticizing Scalia from the left on the issue of race. Remarkable.
Meanwhile, from PPP:
Iowa!
Trump 28
Cruz 25
Rubio 14
Carson 10
Bush 7
No one else over 3%!
Limbaugh now appears to be attempting a smooth-over:
"I Didn't Turn on Anybody!"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3372917/posts
I am dumbfounded that the GOP frontrunner may be getting-away with criticizing Cruz, let alone criticizing Scalia from the left on the issue of race. Remarkable.
Meanwhile, from PPP:
Iowa!
Trump 28
Cruz 25
Rubio 14
Carson 10
Bush 7
No one else over 3%!
Excelente.
BertramCooper
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I tuned into El Rushbo last week and he's definitely being weirdly cautious when talking about Trump. It was very out-of-character for a bloviating douche like him.
Rush seems smartly aware that there's very little that'll take down Trump (during the primaries, at least) - and that a huge portion of his audience won't take kindly to him becoming another one of the anti-Trump voices in the chorus. It's evidence that he's aware of the dynamics of this, well.. frenzy.
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Meanwhile, Fiorina is adding to the funny pile as well:
Fiorina tells dog: 'Obama ate one of your cousins'
Hexa
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I can't watch youtube videos right now but based on that description what the hell? That's just... what?
People are forgetting about the Democratic Primary.
You guys think its over don't you?
https://vine.co/v/imeqWmJHYUK
We need to elect the one man who will stand up to dogs being eaten:
https://vine.co/v/iujaTAnia1A
you qualify for ACA all year if you have a hardship exemption (moving, job loss, etc). as for medicaid, as you know it depends on the state you live in. hope it's not a red one!
Roland_Gunner
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I still think Cruz wins Iowa but if Trump pulls that off he may really sweep through the primary. Tonight's debate will be fascinating / terrifying.
I don't think so. Call your state exchange and you will tell them your projected annual salary for next year, and if you'll be below a certain amount (which is more or less the poverty line), you can qualify for Medicaid or whatever it's called in your state. Also you can get dental now, and the cut-off date for that is January 31st. Also it'll be busy today.
It's annoying to give a projected salary when you don't know what your job will be though, but lowball it. My job is seasonal and ends in May, and I will get another job afterwards, but I don't know what it will be, so I just assumed it'll be minimum wage (god forbid) and made my calculations based off of that.
yep. alternately, it would be fascinating to see how Trump's supporters react if he lost in Iowa. become more entrenched and thus more likely to vote?
Veritigo_X
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I watched a bit of Fox News yesterday and they kept pushing the idea that "Iowa is Iowa" and doesn't actually matter. The media will continue to point to Santorum and Huckabee wins in Iowa if Cruz wins, Trump supporters will probably do the same.
Have no fear, Carson's got this.
i agree, but how many of Trump's voters are well versed in this? especially if he's attracting new voters out of the woodwork. i don't necessarily see them watching the tremendous and high energy Donald losing in Iowa and thinking to themselves, "oh, it's just Iowa."
RustyNails
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From what I read Trump campaign is lot more organized in Iowa, with booklets and pamphlets being distributed on how to caucus. Unlike the establishment losers like jeb and rubio, Trump has not forsaken Iowa. I think Cruz and Trump are gonna butt heads for sure there.
In the end iowa caucus measure the "excitement" factor of voters more than anything else and that will play to Trump's strengths.
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Why do I get the feeling we're being given the old bait and switch?
Trump the obvious nomination only for Cruz to come up from behind on actual votes, not through a brokered deal.
Cruz who is just as bad, if not worse, but more subtle.
Right leaning independents who haven't cued into that fact who would hesitate to vote for someone like Trump now can vote Republican without feeling guilty because "see, they didn't go with the bad one".
Republicans still lose the election, but they may keep the Senate and will certainly keep their House seats anf it's business as usual in Washington.
Why do I get the feeling we're being given the old bait and switch?
Trump the obvious nomination only for Cruz to come up from behind on actual votes, not through a brokered deal.
Cruz who is just as bad, if not worse, but more subtle.
Right leaning independents who haven't cued into that fact who would hesitate to vote for someone like Trump now can vote Republican without feeling guilty because "see, they didn't go with the bad one".
Republicans still lose the election, but they may keep the Senate and will certainly keep their House seats anf it's business as usual in Washington.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Trump loses Iowa / wins NH: status quo, Trump still in the drivers seat
Trump wins Iowa / loses NH: CHAOS
Trump wins both: it's over
Trump loses both: Trump in deep shit
Trump wins Iowa / loses NH: CHAOS
Trump wins both: it's over
Trump loses both: Trump in deep shit
A Human Becoming
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This is what irritates me about you: you take a minority of Bernie supporters who through a strange series of connections think Trump is their second best choice and generalize it as being a large number of alleged progressives legitimizing Trump. Not all Bernie supporters are self identified progressives. Hillary supporters like you are the worst.
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