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[benjipwns]

In 1994, the notion of Trump, not yet a reality TV-strengthened celebrity, as the most important, most powerful person in the world would have been dismissed as a publicity stunt.

I'm not so sure about this. Ross Perot had just run for President.

Trump had almost ran for the Republican nomination himself in 1988. But then he had his brain transplanted into the body of Bill the Cat.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Steve Kornacki ‏@SteveKornacki 4m4 minutes ago
New NBC online poll, mostly conducted post-debate:
Trump 26
Carson 26
Cruz 10
Rubio 9
Bush 5
Fiorina 4
Huck/Kasich/Paul/Christie 2

 

[benjipwns]

On June 20, Clinton’s best friend visited her in the White House. They discussed over lunch the best way to collect her memories of her time as first lady—especially about her efforts on health care.

“What for?” asked the friend, Diane Blair, whose notes and papers are now archived in the library at the University of Arkansas.

“Revenge,” Clinton said.

 

[And_Gignac]

Thanks benji, for linking to a meh article that led to a much better one in the sidebar.

How 1994 Explains 2016

The hard on Politico has for Clinton vs Bush is amusing. Masturbatory, even.

youthful king.

 

[Basileus777]

Steve Kornacki ‏@SteveKornacki 4m4 minutes ago
New NBC online poll, mostly conducted post-debate:
Trump 26
Carson 26
Cruz 10
Rubio 9
Bush 5
Fiorina 4
Huck/Kasich/Paul/Christie 2

It'll really be interesting to see if all this good press Rubio has gotten translates into a meaningful bump. Here it clearly didn't.

 

[benjipwns]

The next year, Jeb told Lucy Morgan, a reporter for the St. Petersburg Times, about how, in childhood, he had once caught his older brother finger-painting with something other than his fingers. Morgan saw both of them at the Republican National Convention, in San Diego, and asked the brother if he had a comeback—maybe a similarly embarrassing anecdote.

“I’d better not,” the older brother said. “I’m elected, and he’s not.”

Two years later, at the Republican Governors Association meeting in New Orleans, the younger brother was a governor, too, finally, and the older brother was being talked about as the potential next president.

“Look,” said George W. Bush, “I didn’t grow up wanting to be president of the United States.”

“I did,” said Jeb Bush. The more serious one, the more focused one, the planner. The harder worker.

Two years after that, after George W. Bush had been elected president, two weeks before another inauguration, this one in Washington, Jeb Bush sat with reporters in Tallahassee. “I have never been interested in being president,” he lied.

ICEBURN

 

[BertramCooper]

EDIT: Nevermind I are dumb

 

[Makai]

It'll really be interesting to see if all this good press Rubio has gotten translates into a meaningful bump. Here it clearly didn't.

Cruz, though.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Jeb+Rubio would be 14%, that's just great stuff.

 

[BertramCooper]

It'll really be interesting to see if all this good press Rubio has gotten translates into a meaningful bump. Here it clearly didn't.

If by "meaningful" you mean going from 9% to 12%, sure.

 

[HylianTom]

Jeb+Rubio would be 14%, that's just great stuff.

A deathmatch over probably less than 20-25% of the vote? Ain't it great? =P

 

[Konka]

Rubio is a dud, I don't understand why anyone thinks he's going anywhere. It's like Walker 2.0 Electric Boogaloo.

 

[Basileus777]

If by "meaningful" you mean going from 9% to 12%, sure.

That's probably what I'd expect, which makes all the crowning of Rubio after the last debate even more amusing.

 

[Makai]

Rubio is a dud, I don't understand why anyone thinks he's going anywhere. It's like Walker 2.0 Electric Boogaloo.

Or any establishment candidate, really.

 

[Mecha]

It'll really be interesting to see if all this good press Rubio has gotten translates into a meaningful bump. Here it clearly didn't.

Fiorina got a lot of good press not too long ago, and look where she is.

 

[Iolo]

If by "meaningful" you mean going from 9% to 12%, sure.

"Rubio receives 33% post-debate bounce"

 

[benjipwns]

Should note that it's another SurveyMonkey poll.

The NBC News Online Poll was conducted online by SurveyMonkey from October 27-29, 2015 among a national sample of 8,706 adults aged 18 and over. Respondents for this non-probability survey were selected from the nearly three million people who take surveys on the SurveyMonkey platform each day.

lolol

 

[Manmademan]

Should note that it's another SurveyMonkey poll.

lolol

Jesus at the economy score for Trump. He very well may be unstoppable here.

 

[Officerrob]

Steve Kornacki ‏@SteveKornacki 4m4 minutes ago
New NBC online poll, mostly conducted post-debate:
Trump 26
Carson 26
Cruz 10
Rubio 9
Bush 5
Fiorina 4
Huck/Kasich/Paul/Christie 2

That's a crappy post debate number for Rubio

 

[Mecha]

Jesus at the economy score for Trump. He very well may be unstoppable here.

I'm not sure why, he says what he generally wants to do but he never really says how he will.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Should note that it's another SurveyMonkey poll.

lolol

I really think ben carson supporters are just and elaborate troll.

It's like that 5 dimensional cube thing. People can explain it but I never really get it.

 

[Makai]

That's a crappy post debate number for Rubio

Yeah, Cruz and Carson are the real gainers.

 

[noshten]

Jesus at the economy score for Trump. He very well may be unstoppable here.

He has a substantial economic message that people can easily relate to:

 

[Manmademan]

He has a substantial economic message that people can easily relate to:

I haven't watched south park since the 90s so you'll have to explain that one to me

 

[Makai]

I haven't watched south park since the 90s so you'll have to explain that one to me

"They [Mexican immigrants] took our jobs."

 

[benjipwns]

I'm not sure why, he says what he generally wants to do but he never really says how he will.

He's going to make great deals, okay? Not the terrible deals we're used to, like this administration got a terrible deal with Iran, maybe the worst of all time, okay, and the GOP Congress has just signed away a terrible deal with Obama, probably the worst deal ever made, okay? And the Kurds, they have just gotten a, they have been treated just terribly by us and gotten a horrible deal.

They wanted to have a three and a half hour debate, okay? And I negotiated a new deal and bam within minutes we've got a good deal, not a horrible just disasterous one like this administration made with Iran, but a great deal, and now we can all get out of here.

Make America Great Again.

 

[brainchild]

He never alluded to islam being a race, but that the hate agaisnt islamic people comes from racism, because surprise,Islam even while being an Abrahamic religion, is foreign to white people . This isnt hard to understand. I got so mad at your obtuseness that I replied 6 pages later, omg.

He also never clarified that the racism was based on merely on the perception of race. He simply talked about racism as if it's the only relevant issue concerning Islamophobia. That comes across as profoundly ignorant. There may be some overlap with racism and Islamophobia, but it isn't the only reason that people hate Muslims, yet that's how he presented it. It's misguided and inaccurate.

Bigotry would have been a better issue to harp on regarding Islamophobia, as it accounts for the ideals of most of the people who hate Muslims, whether they're racist, view Muslims as terrorists because of extremists, or are simply intolerant to other religions/beliefs that differ from their own.

Also, if people are racist against Muslims, you don't reinforce their beliefs be perpetuating their misconceptions. Correct them and educate them. Simply telling them that they're racist only reaffirms that Islam is a race in their minds. Considering the ignorance regarding this issue, I think Bernie's comments were very imprudent and he should have worded his statements differently.

 

[Teggy]

What's Cruz going to do next debate when he can't just repeat "liberal media" instead of answering questions?

 

[Manmademan]

What's Cruz going to do next debate when he can't just repeat "liberal media" instead of answering questions?

pretty sure he can simply keep doing it as long as he doesn't get called out on it- which he won't, since the next venue probably doesn't want to be the next NBC.

 

[Macho Madness]

Cruz will keep chugging along with his 7-10% in the polls hoping Trump or Carson bails so he can catch their supporters.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

At least 14% of Republicans want a return to the Gold Standard and a flat tax?

Carson being rated so highly for the debate is just odd. "You ripped off cancer patients and parents of autistic children." "No, I didn't." "You're literally on their webpage" "LIBURL MEDIA"

 

[benjipwns]

What's Cruz going to do next debate when he can't just repeat "liberal media" instead of answering questions?

I think Cruz will be fine, it seemed he was actually really irritated with the questions that other people were getting and that was just his first chance to speak. He later answered arguably tougher questions. (Whether those answers were good or not I won't comment.)

It's the other candidates who realized how big of bailout that could be and started using it over and over. Rubio went to the well too many times I thought.

Then again, Christie's done it in every debate to date.

Carson being rated so highly for the debate is just odd. "You ripped off cancer patients and parents of autistic children." "No, I didn't." "You're literally on their webpage" "LIBURL MEDIA"

Hey buddy, be fair, his first answer to that last part was "I didn't give them permission!" Then the crowd booed down the moderator.

 

[BertramCooper]

What's Cruz going to do next debate when he can't just repeat "liberal media" instead of answering questions?

What makes you think he can't keep doing it?

Hell, I don't think Marco Rubio has offered a legitimate answer to a debate question yet.

 

[benjipwns]

At least 14% of Republicans want a return to the Gold Standard and a flat tax?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

CNBC after the kids table debate: "Is this Graham's moment?!?"

*Graham rates as having had one of the worst debates*

 

[noshten]

You beat me to the punch, although a lot of the people that voted for Ron Paul probably would not have voted in the Republican primary under different circumstances.

 

[kess]

What's Cruz going to do next debate when he can't just repeat "liberal media" instead of answering questions?

At least Cruz doesn't reflexively talk about his grandfather every time there's an economic question

 

[BertramCooper]

I'm really regretting picking Rubio.

If I could have a do-over right now I'd definitely pick Cruz.

 

[benjipwns]

CNBC after the kids table debate: "Is this Graham's moment?!?"

*Graham rates as having had one of the worst debates*

He's the only one from that debate to have any "best job" number.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I'm really regretting picking Rubio.

If I could have a do-over right now I'd definitely pick Cruz.

Even though you know McConnell will try to pin the murder Rubio committed in 1997 on Cruz?

 

[Yellowtail]

I'm really regretting picking Rubio.

If I could have a do-over right now I'd definitely pick Cruz.

I felt this as soon as the deadline passed.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I'm really regretting picking Rubio.

If I could have a do-over right now I'd definitely pick Cruz.

I felt this as soon as the deadline passed.

which makes the contest fun though.

 

[benjipwns]

You beat me to the punch, although a lot of the people that voted for Ron Paul probably would not have voted in the Republican primary under different circumstances.

I agree, but he did well enough in the early primaries/caucuses to an extent that he had to have a decent chunk of regular GOP voters going for him. Those overall popular vote totals are going to be suppressed due to Romney having a bunch of uncontested ones at the end.

 

[RustyNails]

The New York Times ‏@nytimes 38m38 minutes ago

Politics Alert: In a blow to Jeb Bush, a key billionaire donor will back Marco Rubio
http://nyti.ms/1jXYvkz

Paul Singer endorses Rubio

 

[benjipwns]

lol Santorum won the 2012 Louisiana primary:
Santorum 49% - Romney 27% - Gingrich 16% - Paul 6%

But less than half the delegates were awarded through it so the state totals were:
Paul 17 - Santorum 13 - Romney 5 - Uncommitted 3 - Gingrich 0

 

[thepotatoman]

pretty sure he can simply keep doing it as long as he doesn't get called out on it- which he won't, since the next venue probably doesn't want to be the next NBC.

The next venue is Fox News Business. It's going to be hard to call them liberals, but in an age where Paul Ryan is a liberal, I guess anything is possible.

 

[noshten]

I agree, but he did well enough in the early primaries/caucuses to an extent that he had to have a decent chunk of regular GOP voters going for him. Those overall popular vote totals are going to be suppressed due to Romney having a bunch of uncontested ones at the end.

"Libertarians" who are pragmatic?

 

[benjipwns]

I don't think libertarians are more than 10% of the GOP, but both Paul's have gotten their numbers higher by picking off anti-interventionists, anti-prohibition, anti-spying, etc. people here and there even if those people are otherwise not libertarians. And even if some would agree with Santorum or Huckabee or Graham about how dangerous libertarians are to the GOP and the country and the planet.

I think that's why Ron did better in the four-way race against an arguably tougher top-name opponent than he did in 2008, and why Rand was polling way better back when there were like six names in the polls, Jeb/Rubio/Christie/Cruz/Perry mostly.

Trump/Carson taking that anti-Iraq stance against "He Kept Us Safe" probably really undercut some of Rand's less solid support.

The next venue is Fox News Business. It's going to be hard to call them liberals, but in an age where Paul Ryan is a liberal, I guess anything is possible.

FOX News is pro-amnesty, pro-establishment, anti-shutdown, pro-Washington, pro-Jeb!, etc. They're basically center-left. It's amazing that they let Hannity truth-tell on there.

 

[noshten]

I don't think libertarians are more than 10% of the GOP, but both Paul's have gotten their numbers higher by picking off anti-interventionists, anti-prohibition, anti-spying, etc. people here and there even if those people are otherwise not libertarians. And even if some would agree with Santorum or Huckabee or Graham about how dangerous libertarians are to the GOP and the country and the planet.

I think that's why Ron did better in the four-way race against an arguably tougher top-name opponent than he did in 2008, and why Rand was polling way better back when there were like six names in the polls, Jeb/Rubio/Christie/Cruz/Perry mostly.

Trump/Carson taking that anti-Iraq stance against "He Kept Us Safe" probably really undercut some of Rand's less solid support.

FOX News is pro-amnesty, pro-establishment, anti-shutdown, pro-Washington, pro-Jeb!, etc. They're basically center-left. It's amazing that they let Hannity truth-tell on there.

I don't think many such people are left voting in GOP for such reasons, Bush changed that

Bush the Peace Maker

 

[Retromelon]

I felt this as soon as the deadline passed.

you were supposed to vote with your heart not your mind