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PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print
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Do it. Do it. 10% rise in the polls Day 1.
Then Trump calls Mitt a pathetic millionaire and it's over
I'd trade American monoculture for double GDP any day.
More fireworks -> more GDP
I wouldn't mind if the U.S. could manage open borders without civil war, lol. I personally think we're at least 200 years away from the concept of it.
Orbis Tabula
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It'll never happen.
You bet it will if Rubio doesn't take off.
Manmademan
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going through "double down" right now. no way this happens.
Romney was only able to win in 2012 by bombarding AWFUL candidates like Gingrich and Santorum with negative ads they couldn't counter, and outspending them 10 to 1 to eke out single digit wins.
This strategy will absolutely NOT work this round. Carson and Trump seem to be completely immune to negative ads and neither is short on money by any means.
Jumping in this late? he'd get destroyed.
RustyNails
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Anyone see Trump flipping his belt buckle on the podium? It was bizzare as fuck lol
CNN reporter said the Secret Service got freaked out when Trump said "anyone got a knife?"
CNN reporter said the Secret Service got freaked out when Trump said "anyone got a knife?"
I watched that live and loved it. The guy is such a showman.
He does not give a single, solitary fuck.
Name recognition.
Brawndo Addict
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I'm all for contextualizing immigration issues and humanizing people rather than demonizing them, but I just don't see the idea of open borders as a realistic solution whatsoever. Continuing automation is going to wipe out low-skill jobs, not increase them. The kind of scale most of these open borders papers require is unfathomably large, over 3+ billion people. We have no frame of reference whatsoever for the challenges that would bring, it would be unparalleled throughout history and it's treated like it would just sort itself out without issue and make everything better.
Brain drain in developing countries is already a serious problem; the world's most unstable regions are not going to get any stabler by giving them up to the free market of labor. We live in a world of limited resources, as moral as it seems to say everyone should be free to live wherever they want, that's just not possible. Everyone can't live in Hawaii. Our mission should be to help bring the standard of living in the developing world up to the rest of the world, to make them comparable with the first world.
[And purely GDP focused analysis misses the human side of things. GDP could go up a hundred fold, but it's not worth much if standards of living remain the same or go down. Some of the world's lowest GDP countries still have high levels of satisfaction and happiness.]
Brain drain in developing countries is already a serious problem; the world's most unstable regions are not going to get any stabler by giving them up to the free market of labor. We live in a world of limited resources, as moral as it seems to say everyone should be free to live wherever they want, that's just not possible. Everyone can't live in Hawaii. Our mission should be to help bring the standard of living in the developing world up to the rest of the world, to make them comparable with the first world.
[And purely GDP focused analysis misses the human side of things. GDP could go up a hundred fold, but it's not worth much if standards of living remain the same or go down. Some of the world's lowest GDP countries still have high levels of satisfaction and happiness.]
RustyNails
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He's a showman, but I love the fact that he's poking holes in Carson's story. shinra-banso was asking recently how a belt buckle can deflect a frontal knife thrust. Trump asking the same questions!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Huh.
Huh?
Many potential great workers can't achieve shit because of their situation (lack of machinery to use, lack of jobs, etc) in foreign nations. If you allow them to come to the U.S., every party benefits.
And I think we could make space in places like Nebraska and Wyoming.
Manmademan
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You know who also had name recognition?
besides, Romney lost in 2008 AND in 2012. He has the stench of failure all over him.
Not enough, if it was Biden would have jumped in. The political machinery that candidates have been using this time to build is integral to actually winning. It's why Trump is spending so much on his ground game, after seeing Obama in 08 he knew that name recognition isn't enough.
How would that even work?
Manmademan
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This is one of those times when you realize just how bad econ 101 is at coming up with solutions that ACTUALLY work.
Drop a few thousand immigrants in the middle of flyover country, there will be riots. Joe sixpack doesn't give a shit about GDP, you'd see the Klan magically enter a new era overnight.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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We kept bringing in immigrants at an incredible pace in the 1800s and things went OK.
Lots of hate crimes, but fuck, we had the Confederacy back then.
.. And what does this have to do with Econ 101? Economics says that immigration is good for a nation and admits that, politically, immigration can be difficult.
Brawndo Addict
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This is exactly what I mean, it's easy to write a pithy generality like this but it completely ignores the physical realities involved. There are not billions of jobs waiting for people in the developed world, if anything, there are going to be less and less jobs over time due to automation. We do not have the infrastructure or resources to deal with an influx of billions of people migrating around the world. And it essentially condemns the developing world to rapidly spiraling destabilization. It's easier, faster, and more effective to devote our time and resources to improving the developing world, not giving up on it.
Brawndo Addict
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In the 1800s we had tens of millions of people migrating. The scale of migration that "GDP Doubles*" papers are talking about is billions, not just hundreds of millions, billions. There is no comparison.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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How is "you can come to our nation", giving up on the developing world? Most people don't want to leave their homes so there would still be a great deal of people and attention on developing nations.
I mean, should someone argue: "we shouldn't give up on Kansas, stop people from Kansas from moving to other states" ?
Capital is a hugely limiting factor and cheap labor from open borders decrease the utility of capital-intensive automation. Technological unemployment is a purely suppositional view, anyway. I should mention that a lot of automation predictions assume continued computer improvements, but it looks like that's coming to a screeching halt in 2020. Don't expect programmers to pick up the slack. The Singularity is not around the corner.
RustyNails
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Third time's the charm! Kind of! Maybe...
He must've had the loosest-ass grip on that knife.
also cnn obviously forgot to check that gif for people who saw the stabbing. poor research.
Trump's ahead of Ben in Iowa, btw
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...!smoothing=less&showpoints=no&estimate=custom
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com...!smoothing=less&showpoints=no&estimate=custom
Bam Bam Baklava
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What makes them Romney can save them? He nearly lost to Rick Santorum of all people last time and kept dipping into 2nd place against flavor of the month candidates.
RustyNails
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GOP fatcats usually hit the panic button around this time. They were trying to get Draft Christie off the ground in 2011 lol
At least he was in first or second place by the time the debates started.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I'm still not sure exactly why they are worried about Carson. Everything he proposes minus the lack of hawkish neocon foreign policy is what they want. Flat taxes, obamcare repeals, and so on.
Is he really that much worse in the general than a loser like Jeb?
Is he really that much worse in the general than a loser like Jeb?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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He believes what he says.
But then he changes his mind.
RustyNails
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Coriolanus
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Mildly inebriated post. (Like, 200ml rum)
This is something that has been bugging me for a coupla years, but is poligaf indeed supposed to be pretty much USpoligaf or was the original goal GeoPoligaf but Things Happened?
This is something that has been bugging me for a coupla years, but is poligaf indeed supposed to be pretty much USpoligaf or was the original goal GeoPoligaf but Things Happened?
PoliGAF was created before there was much of an international presence on GAF. So yeah, it was formed as US poligaf.
Azure Dream
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The only way Carson's story holds up is if his "knife" was actually a shank made out of a sharpened toothbrush. Otherwise, the physics don't work.
TheLaughingStock
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The US had postal saving banks still in operation around 50 years ago...why it's all private now is unclear for me at least.
Brawndo Addict
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Does anyone else think there must be some kind of underlying nugget of truth in the stabbing story; it just seems too bizarre to make up whole-cloth. But it's hard to think of what the non-embellished version would be, the West Point story has a more natural progression in terms of becoming more idyllic. Then again, the final exam thing sounded completely made up too but then it turns out there was a prank about it with a cash prize, so...
OuterLimits
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Good God did Trump go off on Carson in his speech tonight in Iowa. Said Iowans and Americans are stupid if they believe Carson and all his stories.
Before he started talking he admitted some people won't like what he has to say and that is ok. If he loses the election, he loses. He basically said Carson is too mentally unstable to be trusted with the job. He admitted people might not like him now but he had to say it.
Republicans are going to attack Trump like crazy today. He may crash and burn after calling Iowans stupid. Lol. Although he has survived before.
With the recent revelation that Carson profited and defends his best friend who was a felon who defrauded insurance companies, I'm not sure how much longer Republicans can ignore him. Especially since he wrote in book that anyone who is caught commiting fraud in medical industry should face a Saudi Arabia treatment. 10 years in jail minimum he said. Yet he pleaded with judge for leniency for his best friend and he got no jail time.
Before he started talking he admitted some people won't like what he has to say and that is ok. If he loses the election, he loses. He basically said Carson is too mentally unstable to be trusted with the job. He admitted people might not like him now but he had to say it.
Republicans are going to attack Trump like crazy today. He may crash and burn after calling Iowans stupid. Lol. Although he has survived before.
With the recent revelation that Carson profited and defends his best friend who was a felon who defrauded insurance companies, I'm not sure how much longer Republicans can ignore him. Especially since he wrote in book that anyone who is caught commiting fraud in medical industry should face a Saudi Arabia treatment. 10 years in jail minimum he said. Yet he pleaded with judge for leniency for his best friend and he got no jail time.
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Needs be a PoliTheoryGaf and we need to unban empty vessel for the premier.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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EV isn't banned, he ran off to pro-Russia forums after claiming that the real reason that Russian-backed rebels shot down that plane was NATO and the Nazis in the Ukraine and getting roundly mocked for it.
To be fair, he's specifically calling stupid Iowans who believe Carson's story.
OuterLimits
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Maybe, but I doubt it. Remember he also claims he went after people with bats, rocks and other stuff. I'm not recalling anyone verifying that. Plus you have his Popeye's gun story where he told the guy to go point gun at cashier. No record of that. His fun story of angel coming to him in dream to give him answers to chemistry exam.
My guess is he made up and embellished stories to sell his story better. He made millions off evangelicals who now blindly support him. So either he had a violent past which was very secretive, or is a scam artist making a ton of money off in large part a fake story.
I usually vote Republican but would vote for Hillary over Carson. The guy can't be trusted. It's pretty pathetic when Trump of all people has to point out how crazy Ben is. Everyone is scared to point out the obvious with him. Trump even said that if he was claiming to have tried to kill a couple people in his past, would he be forgiven and be running for President? Nope.
In any event, it appears an all out war is about to start between Trump and the entire party. Trump even admitted he may be falling on his sword tonight, but he was ok with that. It's going to be a interesting few days. He may feel it is worth it to go down as long as he takes Carson with him. I don't know.
RastaMentality
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I really don't need Trump to take Carson down with him. At least take Rubio, shit.
Retromelon
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hey makai i might have found something for you to use
And this is one that I personally found very amusing
And this is one that I personally found very amusing
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