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[User 463088]

I mean you won't, but I don't really know what you're hoping to accomplish with a thread about it when the debate is about to go ahead anyway and it's already being discussed in the debate thread.

Exactly. I think I'd look like an ass, and I try hard to avoid that. Probably unsuccessfully.

 

[Wilsongt]

Huh, not sure why she really thinks that beyond the old canard conservatives do national security better (or are perceived to I guess).

Trump has been pretty spotty, I'd wager to say bad, on foreign policy. Between not knowing China wasn't in the TPP, to the third debate where he promised he'd figure out his foreign policy stances by the time he was elected.

And If I remember he was basically backing up Paul last debate with a non-interventionist strategy against ISIS and let Putin sort it out which I imagine makes things a little clunky if he's trying to pivot into full warmonger this week (maybe no one will notice I guess).

I don't think there are enough Takei laughing gifs in the world for her tweet.

 

[kingkitty]

This debate could be worse.

 

[Retromelon]

bernie with the line of the debate: I'm not as much a socialist as eisenhower. (referring to the 92% top income tax rate that existed in the fifties)

 

[Retromelon]

bruh hillary just said what o malley said about bringing illegal immigrants out from the shadows, but in a less charismatic and more off the cuff way, (o malley said something like our symbol of america is the statue of liberty and not a barbed wire fence) but she got raucous applause and cheers while o malley got respectful clapping

looks like o malley and bernie were about to pounce on hillary over wall street but the moderator went to commercials.

 

[Makai]

bernie with the line of the debate: I'm not as much a socialist as eisenhower. (referring to the 92% top income tax rate that existed in the fifties)

I used this exact line in my college applications.

 

[SL128]

Shut up, unidentified man, a presidential candidate's trying talk.

 

[Tarkus]

I hope O'Malley surges in the polls. The Dems race needs some excitement.

 

[Retromelon]

I hope O'Malley surges in the polls. The Dems race needs some excitement.

what, you're not inspired and enthused about the hillary clinton "I Am Inevitable" 2016 corporate jet to the nomination

lol she said most of her donors are small. people dont donate millions a dollar at a time

 

[Officerrob]

That debate thread reads like the Bernie Sanders subreddit

 

[Wilsongt]

That debate thread reads like the Bernie Sanders subreddit

Yep...

 

[Brawndo Addict]

This "retort" by Hillary feels very republican.

 

[Tarkus]

what, you're not inspired and enthused about the hillary clinton "I Am Inevitable" 2016 corporate jet to the nomination

lol she said most of her donors are small. people dont donate millions a dollar at a time

9/11................women donors.........I win

 

[Coriolanus]

Do you think a posture of aggression will actually play well within a Democratic primary electorate that has little to no taste for foreign military intervention, excessive intelligence gathering and current covert or aerial stealth activities?

Im big on narrative, mate. IF such a narrative will be introduced at the dem side, this is the moment to do it. Has it already happened?

 

[Retromelon]

Hill just said 200 children have died due to gun deaths since they last debated. you know what would have helped hillary right now, if she said: sure, my proposed legislation will not prevent the taking of every one of these lives, but if we can prevent the life of one child from being taken, why wouldn't we?

Bill wrested dominance of the white house from republicans through perceived empathy, which is for some unfortunate reason one of hillary's biggest weaknesses

she has steelix defense against attacks though. so prepared. "paul volcker and paul krugman said my wall street plan was the best and most comprehensive" (i'm paraphrasing of course)

 

[Wilsongt]

Liz Cheney might run for office again.

Hahahaha.

 

[kingkitty]

someone posted fake Hillary titties in my thread

sigh, even account suicides are hillary-stans

 

[User 463088]

Can you imagine if the GOP had to handle questions like our candidates did this evening? There would be rioting in the streets.

 

[NeoXChaos]

I don't need to watch the debate to know Hillary did fantastic.

 

[kingkitty]

Can you imagine if the GOP had to handle questions like our candidates did this evening? There would be rioting in the streets.

they have a CBS debate lined up with the same moderators, can't wait for the crying.

 

[SL128]

Via Twitter

.@HillaryClinton tonight, in one word: leadership. #ImWithHer

Ok, everyone, Bill's an important guy; how do we make him #FeelTheBern?

I don't need to watch the debate to know Hillary did fantastic.

On a serious note, while she clearly did the best last time, I don't think anyone stood out as especially strong.

 

[brainchild]

I don't need to watch the debate to know Hillary did fantastic.

In this case you'd be wrong. She got bodied pretty hard; tag teamed by both Bernie and O'Malley. Not that they did much better for themselves.

This debate was pretty inconsequential, though it had quite a few moments of ferocity, which was quite surprising.

There were no clear winners in this debate, IMO.

 

[ivysaur12]

Liz Cheney might run for office again.

Hahahaha.

Liz Cheney and her Many Kindnesses.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I don't need to watch the debate to know Hillary did fantastic.

She was pretty av. But they all were frankly.

She had a wtf 9/11 moment.

She should really just address her donor history by acknowledging as the Senator for NY where Wall St is based, she knows a lot of people from NY and they have donated to her. And stress that it's not companies donating to her it's people from, yes, CEOs but down to bank tellers.

 

[Tarkus]

someone posted fake Hillary titties in my thread

sigh, even account suicides are hillary-stans

I know...and I missed it looking up stuff to back one of my statements.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

I am continually amazed at Hillary's inability to form a good answer for the Wall Street question. How hard is it to make a generic answer that doesn't go off the rails?

 

[brainchild]

I am continually amazed at Hillary's inability to form a good answer for the Wall Street question. How hard is it to make a generic answer that doesn't go off the rails?

Is such a thing even possible?

 

[User1608]

They all did well, although Hillary had some glaringly weak moments, particularly on Wall Street. Going Giuliani was odd too.

someone posted fake Hillary titties in my thread

sigh, even account suicides are hillary-stans

Yeah, it was funny but stupid.

 

[Tarkus]

They all did well, although Hillary had some glaringly weak moments, particularly on Wall Street. Going Giuliani was odd too.

Yeah, it was funny but stupid.

Applause everyone. Good person HylianHistorian is a full member. Couldn't be a nicer woman out there.

 

[ivysaur12]

I am continually amazed at Hillary's inability to form a good answer for the Wall Street question. How hard is it to make a generic answer that doesn't go off the rails?

It's like Bush not having an answer on Iraq. Really, Jeb? That's the one you're not prepared for???

 

[Retromelon]

Applause everyone. Good person HylianHistorian is a full member. Couldn't be a nicer woman out there.

she was one already, but then was juniored for some reason

 

[Brawndo Addict]

It's not just that it goes off the rails, it's that it crashes into an arms depot and explodes. I'm not sure whether this was worse than last debate's "I told them to cut it out" but her skill at finding new worst possible answers for this question cannot be denied.

 

[Yellowtail]

A Public Policy Polling survey of Democratic primary voters nationally who watched tonight’s debate finds that it reinforced Hillary Clinton’s front runner status. Viewers overwhelmingly think she won the debate, and particularly trust her over the rest of the Democratic field when it comes to issues of national security.

-67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of O’Malley.

What’s particularly striking is how universal the sentiment that Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party. 86% of African Americans, 73% of women, 70% of moderates, 69% of seniors, 67% of Hispanics, 65% of liberals, 61% of white voters, 58% of men, and 50% of younger voters all think that Clinton was the winner of tonight’s debate.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...rticularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html

 

[NeoXChaos]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...rticularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html

might as well be a coronation at this point.

EDIT:

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 11s11 seconds ago
People should know that this poll was paid for by Correct The Record, a Hillary Clinton Super PAC.

 

[Abinash117]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...rticularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html

Debates don't matter at this point anymore perhaps.

 

[dramatis]

Debates don't matter at this point anymore perhaps.

But Abinash, I've been told we needed more debates.

 

[Officerrob]

Debates don't matter at this point anymore perhaps.

Not when you have someone with the name value and popularity of Hillary. I like many of Bernie's ideas, but some people are just going to have to learn the hard way that Bernie is not Obama

 

[Owzers]

While i thought Hillary bringing up 9/11 was cringey, seeing Reince Priebus complain about it is worse.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

While i thought Hillary bringing up 9/11 was cringey, seeing Reince Priebus complain about it is worse.

Reince needs to have a talk with Chris Christie if he's worried about that talk.

 

[Holmes]

I support Clinton and the only think I didn't like to hear tonight was her $12/hour minimum wage explanation. I would love universal health care, but after the whole Obamacare thing back in 2009/2010, I know it'll be a gradual thing, and it's better to reinforce and improve what we have now. I don't think I understood Sanders' plan. I know he's in favor of universal healthcare, but wants the states to run it? Many of which have rejected Obamacare because it came from a Democrat? Maybe I misunderstood. I did like how idealistic Sanders was, but it didn't seem to be very realistic. He has a lot of good rhetoric but I want to know how he's going to do these things, especially with a Republican Congress. "We'll start a revolution" isn't really a good answer tbh.

 

[User 463088]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...rticularly-strong-on-national-security-i.html

Ouch at that 25% more unfavorable for Bernie. I thought once everyone saw him they were going to immediately and irrevocably fall in deep love with him.

I know my mom watched with me. She was high on pain medicine, but she definitely didn't like the attacks on Hillary, although I felt all of them were fair game. She felt they ganged up on her. I was willing to call the whole thing a draw, but hey, I'll take it.

 

[ivysaur12]

Also -- why do Nate Cohn and 538 hate PPP so much? I get that the poll they put out tonight was paid for by a Clinton-aligned SuperPAC, but it seems as if their dislike isn't about methodology as it is with them personally?

 

[NeoXChaos]

Also -- why do Nate Cohn and 538 hate PPP so much? I get that the poll they put out tonight was paid for by a Clinton-aligned SuperPAC, but it seems as if their dislike isn't about methodology as it is with them personally?

 

[Iolo]

Also -- why do Nate Cohn and 538 hate PPP so much? I get that the poll they put out tonight was paid for by a Clinton-aligned SuperPAC, but it seems as if their dislike isn't about methodology as it is with them personally?

There was some talk on 538 in 2012 of PPP putting their thumb on the scale to align their polling with the averages. I think it was that the lack of outliers was suspicious. It's been too long though.

 

[Snake]

Also -- why do Nate Cohn and 538 hate PPP so much? I get that the poll they put out tonight was paid for by a Clinton-aligned SuperPAC, but it seems as if their dislike isn't about methodology as it is with them personally?

I don't know about Nate Cohn, but Nate Silver tried to go after PPP as another pollster that was faking its numbers (like that old DailyKos pollster) and feuded with them for a while with nothing ever being proven. There's probably been a lot of mutual antagonism since.

 

[GnawtyDog]

someone posted fake Hillary titties in my thread

sigh, even account suicides are hillary-stans

Lmao someone did? Missed it.

 

[ivysaur12]

There was some talk on 538 in 2012 of PPP putting their thumb on the scale to align their polling with the averages. I think it was that the lack of outliers was suspicious. It's been too long though.

I don't know about Nate Cohn, but Nate Silver tried to go after PPP as another pollster that was faking its numbers (like that old DailyKos pollster) and feuded with them for a while with nothing ever being proven. There's probably been a lot of mutual antagonism since.

Right, ah, okay. This sort of rings a bell.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Nate's beef with PPP is so unbelievably petty and childish I can't believe it still persists.

Basically he contacted them asking for more explicit details about their methodology which they disclosed to him privately. He said it wasn't good enough but PPP felt they had provided enough, so now they're unreliable per Nate even though they're one of the better performing pollsters. They fumbled 2014 a bit but man so did everyone.

I respect what he's done but it's stuff like that and his desperate attempts for Trump to notice me senpai which lowers my opinion of him little by little.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The only notable endorsement Bernie has gotten since Based God got KO'd tonight.

 

[Makai]

Nate's beef with PPP is so unbelievably petty and childish I can't believe it still persists.

Basically he contacted them asking for more explicit details about their methodology which they disclosed to him privately. He said it wasn't good enough but PPP felt they had provided enough, so now they're unreliable per Nate even though they're one of the better performing pollsters. They fumbled 2014 a bit but man so did everyone.

I respect what he's done but it's stuff like that and his desperate attempts for Trump to notice me senpai which lowers my opinion of him little by little.

The another annoying thing about Nate is he doesn't actually do any polling. Other people spend large amounts of cash on quality polls and then he claims credit by aggregating them. Aggregating is a simple compared to polling.