ItWasMeantToBe19
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Good to know the Democrats in the House are made up of cowards.
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Good to know the Democrats in the House are made up of cowards.
Bunch of goddamned chickenshit cowards.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"This legislation would help tens of thousands of... Muslims!" is just such a great comeback by Cruz, barely even concealed there.
This is for Donald Elizabeth Trump:
We need fan-fiction where Bill calls Trump every week and tells him the next crazy thing to say. In the story, Bill and Trump would be convinced that Trump will eventually bomb.. but his candidacy ends-up being a hit!
RustyNails
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This is how it starts. It's all fun and games until minorities are told to carry identification. This is what happens when people both on left (Maher, Harris, Fedora brigade) and right (everyone) demonize Muslims and Islam.
Abinash117
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Exactly, the main problem with democrats is that a lot of the time they are a bunch of pussies probably the more moderate ones are.
Basically the producers, only for an election. Holy shit, that's actually really good. I'm totally going to steal that. That would make an amazing book, maybe end it with a speech like from the dictator.
This is really good...I totally want to start writing this right now but I have to write about boring shit instead for work...
Agreed. My dad is a die hard Republican of the "I'd nuke the middle East" variety and even he said that he'd vote for Hillary over Cruz because he is such an asshole and still has the government shutdown on his hands.
Poodlestrike
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Heh, my dad's the same way.
Though he had this plan about turning Mecca into a volcano...
Atomic Playboy
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How did he think he was going to accomplish that? A mountain of baking soda and a year's supply of vinegar?
That was pretty much my plan the minute Bernie threw his hat into the ring. I'm pretty sure that was Bernie's plan too.
That's what primaries are for, voting your principles. The general election is just a QTE event. I switched to Hillary after the Benghazi hearing, because I realized that that message was one I wanted to send more.I can't agree with this. I think they're behind their own purity event horizon so that an election loss by any candidate makes them by definition not conservative enough, no matter how crazy right wing they are. The fact the rabid right have been repeatedly shitting on long time staunch conservatives for this reason makes it clear that no matter how unrealistic their expectations, results trump bonafides, excuse the classy and luxurious pun.
My distant hope is that these foaming at the mouth AM radio Dixiecrat nutbars eventually even tire of this and reject the Republican party altogether as too left wing, either not voting at all or forming some truly nightmarish right wing Green party equivalent, which would leave the actual Republican party free to start pursuing Democratic moderates harder, which would leave the Democratic party free to start pushing leftward for those few remaining percentage points on the left. It seems like there's a potential for a lot more of them to reach that breaking point than any overhyped Democratic defection.
That's offensive. They should totally be little crescent moon badges.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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ISIS hates Iran, the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, people that leave Syria, Shiite Muslims as much as Ted Cruz and loves the gold standard and the war on drugs as much as Cruz does also:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine_p2/
http://www.cracked.com/blog/isis-wants-us-to-invade-7-facts-revealed-by-their-magazine_p2/
gutter_trash
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-outlines-plan-combat-isis-time-delay-over
Hillary Clinton's plan on combating Daesh.
after listening to that, I don't know how any Republican candidate could debate here next Fall. She is way too strong
Hillary Clinton's plan on combating Daesh.
after listening to that, I don't know how any Republican candidate could debate here next Fall. She is way too strong
i saw that on the news, definitely seemed the most level headed between rhetoric and plan. Dangerously close to another " what difference does it make" quote though regarding what we called Bin Laden.
Poodlestrike
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No, he had this whole thing about nuking a hole into the earth's crust.
It was dumb. He's an asshole.
Jack Remington
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I don't think it matters whether or not they're left-leaning here. This should be obvious to any thinking person not consumed with hatred for Obama.
While I believe some people make this argument facetiously entirely for political gain, I don't think all people making the argument are facetious; I think it's a mix. For example, the Wall Street Journal has run at least one op-ed criticizing or outright blaming Obama for the Paris attack every single day since it happened. I'd say about half are Republican political machine spinning (WSJ is basically part of the Republican establishment at this point), while half are rooted in genuine conviction based on the neocon ideology. But to seriously blame Obama for the attack and the current refugee crisis requires the following assumptions (assumptions in bold):
1) A robust ground campaign in Syria and Iraq would have prevented the attack. Historical evidence proves this false - in 2004 we had near-total occupation of Iraq, and we still had that in 2008, and that occupation did nothing to prevent the Madrid and Mumbai attacks. Terrorist cells' ability to operate is not contingent on whether ISIL or al-Qaeda controls Mosul or any other city
2) A ground campaign would result in quick and decisive victory. Our experience in Iraq was that the campaign against the enemy's structured military was won very quickly, but was followed by a years-long insurgency with a very heavy human and monetary cost. Insurgent forces still had the operational capability to carry out terrorist attacks. There's no reason to believe Syria would be different.
3) The Iraq withdrawal was a huge strategic blunder that should have been foreseen. Iraq wanted us out and refused us a new Status of Forces Agreement. The argument I've seen here is that Obama should have made a Trump-like deal to get SOFA renewed, but it's not clear that was an option.
4) Iraq was stable in 2011, and Obama ruined that. I think this comes from the existential need to defend Bush's signature foreign policy as having accomplished something worthwhile. (Aside, I have seen many right-wingers talk about how Obama squandered "hard-won blood and treasure" in Iraq. What treasure? We did get waste lots of blood, but it's foolish to throw good blood after bad. It's unfortunate for the families of soldiers who died or the soldiers who were disabled for life in a war that didn't lead to any lasting benefit, but the blame for that is entirely on Bush and his advisers). Back to the main issue, a country that falls apart as soon as foreign troops leave was never stable. It's like a bridge that collapses as soon as all the construction supports are removed. It's really a shame that the Iraqi president overestimated his own military's capability to defend the country even remotely competently or even to not turn tail and run at the first sign of battle, but that's entirely his fault.
RustyNails
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Cant believe there are posts in the trump thread that say ban all religion institutions...Soviet Union much?
Aaron Strife
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Compared to Obama's cool, calm demeanor Hillary seems downright ferocious. I have to imagine she'll be more effective at selling her policies/initiatives to the American people, versus Obama who tends to put more trust in the policy to sell itself (which to his detriment ignores the Republican efforts to slander what he's doing, driving approval ratings down across the board as there's no effort to counteract that).
Jack Remington
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I like how much stronger her delineated strategy is compared to Carly, who has a strange fixation on "rebuilding" our Sixth Fleet (I think this is a tactical word choice to make it appear as if she has comprehensive knowledge of our military assets).
RastaMentality
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Has anyone ever dropped out before the primaries after filing papers?
People are crazy, what can I tell you.
There was a guy who defended Trump's final solution.
What a shitheel. I have no idea how anyone likes this guy. He's a snake. People say Hillary changes position with every gust of wind, but that's more true about Rand than anyone else. I still remember when he held 4 distinct views on the same issue in the span of a week.
Abinash117
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Not much different from what Obama is doing.
You can't go any further without actually invading with ground forces and no one wants that.
No one except for pretty much all of the Republican candidates.
disastermouse
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Yes. We've had a very conservative country for decades already. The sooner we withdraw from the failure of the Democratic Party, the sooner we can start working on pretty much anything other than the failed strategy of 'just go along' that we've had for 30 years. Chances are also pretty good that if the left abandoned the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party would pursue people on the left. They really can't win anything without us.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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You can go further via Cruz's plan, but that involves killing even more massive numbers of civilians.
Run, David, run!
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/u...id-for-governor-in-solidly-red-louisiana.html
If Vitter runs, Mitch Landrieu needs to run.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/u...id-for-governor-in-solidly-red-louisiana.html
If Vitter runs, Mitch Landrieu needs to run.
disastermouse
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We've been going backwards for 30 years, not forward. We're re-litigating birth control, for fuck's sake. Your. Strategy. Isn't. Working. (*pro-tip: It's not supposed to work. It designed to fail.)
In this magical country where >60% voting is considered a high turnout, you want to argue that more people are in the center? The left has been getting the shit kicked out of it for 30 years from all sides.
Also, I don't think your argument that Bernie would be winning if the left existed has much merit. He's not exactly getting a fair shake and he may not even be the ideal left candidate.
Is there a National Prayer League (NPL) that they will be playing in?
What the flying fuck?
AnotherNils
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"This week the Kneelers take on the Choir Boys, while the Holy Spirits face off against the Flagellators"
I'd like some examples of how he feels the power of prayer everyday.
Poodlestrike
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Didn't you see last year's finals? That one guy blew out his hammy, he was praying so hard. Blood, everywhere.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Abinash117
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Yes you can if you know what you are doing.
I tell you what Obama is doing in Syria regarding ISIS.
He is trying to get Turkey to close the ISIS border and there is suppose to be an offensive with US/Turkey-backed rebel forces getting control of the territory.
The US is using the SDF, an alliance of Arabs and Kurds to take control of territory in eastern Syria. The Syrian Arab coalition is the arab part of that group and the US is using that group to arm the arabs/rebels/kurds as a front so Turkey won't get bitchy. Now they are trying to take over the rest of Hasakah province after getting all their main objectives and assisting the Iraqi kurds in taking Singar, which cut off ISIS routes between Mousol and Raqqa.
http://aranews.net/2015/11/syrian-democratic-forces-to-extend-anti-isis-operations/
Go here to watch the briefings https://www.dvidshub.net/tags/video/steven-warren
Here's some reddit posts related to the current briefing.
They will also attack Raqqa at one point.
The airstrikes destroyed assets outside of the battlefields near allied ground forces.
http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve
The ground forces aspect is already have been covered. Hillary is just doing what Obama is doing but with a little more force, I guess.
The Draw of the Death Cult: A piece from Foreign Policy that has its own interpretation of how to fight the influence of Daesh at home. Probably nothing new, but I felt this paragraph was oddly relatable:
BertramCooper
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EDIT: Beaten, and by posts that were funnier than mine.
User 463088
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Hmmm....interesting
I guess a union PAC's money isn't really a PAC? Interesting.
And, yes, I'm being sarcastic.
I guess a union PAC's money isn't really a PAC? Interesting.
And, yes, I'm being sarcastic.
Your feel good story of the day:
Botner just happens to be a Republican, though with such an important issue at stake, you'd figure that despite her political affiliation, she would put self preservation before party right? Haha, of course not! But she did provide an excellent reason why she still voted for the guy who will probably wind up killing her (and her son):
And to that, I say:
Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole, but I have zero compassion for people who willing and knowingly vote against their self interest. If some goober Republican thinks it's more important for the gay guy from Will and Grace to not get married, than it is for her to, you know, live, well have at it, hoss.
But there is one problem that this story brings to light. While this chick's a moron, and voted for someone who hates medicaid, she herself doesn't hate medicaid. Yet that didn't make a difference whatsoever cause she happened to hate Starbucks for their red Christmas cups even more.
My point is that one of the reasons Obamacare was supposed to be safe after it was implemented was that people who are Republicans, who wind up enjoying and benefiting from the program, would at the very least vote to preserve their own plans that they're benefiting from, even if they may be hardcore Republican in other areas (teabaggers are among the people who don't want any changes to their medicare, for example).
But as we've just seen, that's clearly not the case.
Botner just happens to be a Republican, though with such an important issue at stake, you'd figure that despite her political affiliation, she would put self preservation before party right? Haha, of course not! But she did provide an excellent reason why she still voted for the guy who will probably wind up killing her (and her son):
And to that, I say:
Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole, but I have zero compassion for people who willing and knowingly vote against their self interest. If some goober Republican thinks it's more important for the gay guy from Will and Grace to not get married, than it is for her to, you know, live, well have at it, hoss.
But there is one problem that this story brings to light. While this chick's a moron, and voted for someone who hates medicaid, she herself doesn't hate medicaid. Yet that didn't make a difference whatsoever cause she happened to hate Starbucks for their red Christmas cups even more.
My point is that one of the reasons Obamacare was supposed to be safe after it was implemented was that people who are Republicans, who wind up enjoying and benefiting from the program, would at the very least vote to preserve their own plans that they're benefiting from, even if they may be hardcore Republican in other areas (teabaggers are among the people who don't want any changes to their medicare, for example).
But as we've just seen, that's clearly not the case.
Tarkus
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There's no need for ground forces in Raqqa at all. The Russians will soon flatten it. Unfortunately, civilians and all. If not by airstrike, then by ground invasion.
My :") [post=185920193]reaction[/post] to Nina Turner's, Cleveland, Ohio rally speech (video link below), was not an exaggeration; by the end of the video I was blubbing, with abandon, and Bronx-Man's follow up "The political revolution is finally near" [post=185920532]post[/post] had me going again (the last time I did that, in a very long time, was that touching scene in St. Vincent, where the incorrigible Vincent character, played to perfection by Bill Murray, was proclaimed "Saint Vincent of sheeps Head Bay", by his new young friend, Oliver) . If your immediate thought is, "Oh man, this lamb is so ripe for the slaughter, I have my mint sauce already open!" , you must be a PoliGAF newbie and you'll momentarily be witnessing my resolve.
I think the video invoked such a powerful reaction in me, because, although I believe in Bernie, our champion for all Americans, I wasn't entirely convinced that we could get our message through to enough people, especially when pitted against the billions of the 1% and the establishment controlled media, etc, etc.
For the record, although quite a few have said I still look in my twenties, and I may never lose my young outlook on life, I am actually a 45 year old straight white guy, and have followed politics, with great interest (shout out to Jon Snow (Ch4 News) and Jeremy Paxman (BBC Newsnight)), since my twenties, with the fall of Apartheid and the Berlin Wall being some of my greatest memories. The all nighter I pulled on the day New Labour booted the Conservatives out of office, was also a wonderful day, even if the euphoria didn't take long to wear off, after discovering that Blair and his master spin doctor, Alastair Campbell, were not a whole lot better than the Tory government. Wait a minute; can anyone see the parallels here, with Barack TPP (read Corporatist) Obama (more similarities, shortly)?
Despite being born in the UK, I've always held an American passport, as my Mom is from Massachusetts, and we visited my Grandparents a few times (RIP; my Gran lived to the grand old age of 103 and I have her framed card of "100th Birthday Congratulations" from President Obama and Michele, in pride of place, above my desk). I have always leaned towards American culture (primarily movies and TV) and my first computers were a Commodore Vic-20 and Atari 400. After retiring to Virginia in the fall of 07, I rediscovered politics, with Obama, having given up on them, with Blair's reign, and what does Obama go and do? In some regards, he does a remarkable impression of New Labour, and no one will ever be able to convince me that Hillary is not cut from the very same, corporate infused cloth.
So what has Obama been up to now? As I posted [post=183798149]previously[/post] (and I must say, I owe a debt of gratitude to Mike M, that led to my discovery of this; you have done your country a great service ), he's only topped his Larry Summers nomination (for Fed chair; withdrawn), by nominating the "ultimate industry insider" for the FDA Commissioner position,.. Luckily, Bernie is on the case and guess from the following photo (video link), who's fairing better in the exchange:
Thanks to Reagan thoroughly fucking the FDA, with his immediate appointment of Dr. Arthur Hayes as commissioner, it has been decades since the agency has primarily looked out for the American people, and not the industries it is supposed to be regulating, and to give you one very straightforward example, the agency has known for many years of the dangers of Trans Fat, that it is not fit for human consumption, in any quantity, and yet, they have been moving at a snails pace, to withdraw their coveted GRAS status (a joke, at this stage), only recently doing so, whilst giving the industry a further three years to clean up their act (seeing the prevaling wind, some companies have gotten ahead of this).
And, if you think this corruption of our government agencies (funded with our tax dollars...) is restricted to the FDA, you would be sadly mistaken, as the "revolving door" is very much alive at, for example, the CDC, where, will you look at that, a day after the mandatory one year grace period (over industries they've been regulating), the previous head, Dr. Julie Gerberding, becomes the president of Merck's Vaccine division, one of the Worlds leading pharmaceutical corporations...
The time is now, for a long overdue overhaul in the way our democracy operates, and Bernie, with the support of the American people, can bring about that change, and to anyone who sais change can and should only happen gradually, you just have to look at America's history, to see that is patently false.
. If your immediate thought is, "Oh man, this lamb is so ripe for the slaughter, I have my mint sauce already open!" , you must be a PoliGAF newbie and you'll momentarily be witnessing my resolve.I think the video invoked such a powerful reaction in me, because, although I believe in Bernie, our champion for all Americans, I wasn't entirely convinced that we could get our message through to enough people, especially when pitted against the billions of the 1% and the establishment controlled media, etc, etc.
For the record, although quite a few have said I still look in my twenties, and I may never lose my young outlook on life, I am actually a 45 year old straight white guy, and have followed politics, with great interest (shout out to Jon Snow (Ch4 News) and Jeremy Paxman (BBC Newsnight)), since my twenties, with the fall of Apartheid and the Berlin Wall being some of my greatest memories. The all nighter I pulled on the day New Labour booted the Conservatives out of office, was also a wonderful day, even if the euphoria didn't take long to wear off, after discovering that Blair and his master spin doctor, Alastair Campbell, were not a whole lot better than the Tory government. Wait a minute; can anyone see the parallels here, with Barack TPP (read Corporatist) Obama (more similarities, shortly)?
Despite being born in the UK, I've always held an American passport, as my Mom is from Massachusetts, and we visited my Grandparents a few times (RIP; my Gran lived to the grand old age of 103 and I have her framed card of "100th Birthday Congratulations" from President Obama and Michele, in pride of place, above my desk). I have always leaned towards American culture (primarily movies and TV) and my first computers were a Commodore Vic-20 and Atari 400. After retiring to Virginia in the fall of 07, I rediscovered politics, with Obama, having given up on them, with Blair's reign, and what does Obama go and do? In some regards, he does a remarkable impression of New Labour, and no one will ever be able to convince me that Hillary is not cut from the very same, corporate infused cloth.
So what has Obama been up to now? As I posted [post=183798149]previously[/post] (and I must say, I owe a debt of gratitude to Mike M, that led to my discovery of this; you have done your country a great service
), he's only topped his Larry Summers nomination (for Fed chair; withdrawn), by nominating the "ultimate industry insider" for the FDA Commissioner position,.. Luckily, Bernie is on the case and guess from the following photo (video link), who's fairing better in the exchange:Thanks to Reagan thoroughly fucking the FDA, with his immediate appointment of Dr. Arthur Hayes as commissioner, it has been decades since the agency has primarily looked out for the American people, and not the industries it is supposed to be regulating, and to give you one very straightforward example, the agency has known for many years of the dangers of Trans Fat, that it is not fit for human consumption, in any quantity, and yet, they have been moving at a snails pace, to withdraw their coveted GRAS status (a joke, at this stage), only recently doing so, whilst giving the industry a further three years to clean up their act (seeing the prevaling wind, some companies have gotten ahead of this).
And, if you think this corruption of our government agencies (funded with our tax dollars...) is restricted to the FDA, you would be sadly mistaken, as the "revolving door" is very much alive at, for example, the CDC, where, will you look at that, a day after the mandatory one year grace period (over industries they've been regulating), the previous head, Dr. Julie Gerberding, becomes the president of Merck's Vaccine division, one of the Worlds leading pharmaceutical corporations...
The time is now, for a long overdue overhaul in the way our democracy operates, and Bernie, with the support of the American people, can bring about that change, and to anyone who sais change can and should only happen gradually, you just have to look at America's history, to see that is patently false.
Macho Madness
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Can we please move up primary season? I'm not reading anymore novels about the Ron Pa--- Bernie Sanders Revolution.
RustyNails
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Bernie sure will make excellent stump speeches for Hillary after she gets the nomination. Get the youngins out.
Tarkus
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