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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic
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Abstrusity
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If he does, my Fantasy Election card's a winner and I get the whole pot. C'mon, Trump, don't let me down.
Ah, fair enough... Cheers.
To be fair, it's diminishing returns for him now. Bill Clinton affairs/women didn't get a rise out of Hillary at the second debate, so realistically there's nothing Trump can do at the third other than perform to low expectations (unlikely) or fail horrendously (likely). Why risk it?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
It disgusts me how almost every GOP response to anything not blatantlying catered in their favor is "This is unfair so I'll whine about it."
BotoxAgent
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He thinks he can just say whatever the fuck he wants without pushback. Such rich white entitlement.
BenjaminBirdie
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Also, how the f can you jump to a conclusion about turnout from a poll?
Turnout implies votes, which is the only thing polls measure.
Turnout implies votes, which is the only thing polls measure.
whyamihere
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I said that. And then I fell into the trap.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Pointing out that double-digit drops in early voting/registration is not good is far from bedwetting.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump calling for the biggest tariffs in American history probably should be covered more?
China and America putting 35% tariffs on each other seems like the way to crash the world economy to be honest.
China and America putting 35% tariffs on each other seems like the way to crash the world economy to be honest.
phisheep
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Blimey, that is a blast from the past. I remember him well from when he picked up the Wii phenomenon almost before it was a thing and spun all sorts of stuff out of it.
Interesting to be on the opposite side for a change.
So he won't be attending the 3rd debate?
I would really like for that to happen now. With a Fox Anchor as the next moderator, it'd be the most that a debate set up has been in his favor. Maybe Chris Wallace would be hard against him anyway, but I'd rather not take the chance that he wouldn't be doing hard moderating, even if it's also the least significant of the debates.
If Trump just doesn't show up, then Hillary has an hour and a half of free air time to do whatever she wants.
Did I misread that tweet and picture, or does it indicate both an explicit drop in Democrat early-voting/registration, as well as an implicit Republican/Independent drop in the same?
You mean an hour and a half of free air time to be grilled on Benghazi and emails.
NYCmetsfan
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We're not gonna win the house
To be fair that was just absentee ballot request numbers and not voting/registration numbers right?
So assuming Democrats take the white house and senate, but lose the house, what does that mean for Hillary's first couple of years?
Obviously the Supreme Court will move to the left for the first time in decades, which is huge, but can we really expect any legislation to get passed when republicans in the house haven't done shit for the last 6 years and have only been rewarded for it? The affordable care act for example desperately needs some changes made to it, but I just don't see that happening as long as republicans hold the majority in any branch of the federal government.
Obviously the Supreme Court will move to the left for the first time in decades, which is huge, but can we really expect any legislation to get passed when republicans in the house haven't done shit for the last 6 years and have only been rewarded for it? The affordable care act for example desperately needs some changes made to it, but I just don't see that happening as long as republicans hold the majority in any branch of the federal government.
Basileus777
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We don't have party numbers. Just overall county numbers.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Sean Malstrom is the greatest political pundit I've ever read. His constant articles about the homosexuals were legendary.
whyamihere
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Er, no. I was posting absentee ballot requests, NOT early voting or registration numbers.
I was merely looking at what could be interesting. The rest of the state's numbers also do not paint a great picture for Republicans.
Maybe that would mean we'd have a debate focusing on some real policy talk this time?
Anyway, he'll show up. He lost the last two debates and there's no way he'll want to make it seem like he's chickening out. With how desperate he is now it will also probably be the worst of the three.
NYCmetsfan
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Lucky Forward
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Knuckle Sandwich
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Their stated goal was to make Obama a one term president. They hate her more than they could ever hate him so expect obstruction overdrive..
The Supreme Court will really only shift leftward if Hillary can appoint more than one justice before (inevitably) losing the Senate again in 2018. Otherwise, if another seat doesn't open within the next two years, it's going to be difficult if not impossible to get another liberal through, or hell even another Garland through. And you can bet that if another seat opens up in 2020, the GOP will again refuse to hold a hearing until after that election.
NYCmetsfan
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Ginsburg will go after the next term in 2017-2018 or souter
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Right, my mistake about absentee ballot requests--the drop in enthusiasm isn't good for anybody on either side. It's not a surprise with these candidates, but still.
My bet is we see an uptick in democratic enthusiasm over the next few weeks because of the hateful rhetoric flying from Trump now. I think the idea that somehow this will depress democratic turnout is laughable.
The guy has badmouthed women, Latinos, and African Americans and their communities. All three of those groups will be out in full force.
Basileus777
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The GOP being in civil war mode means that the threat of a primary is going to be even stronger for those that cooperate with President Hillary. The obstruction won't end while the Republican party is unstable.
whyamihere
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I haven't looked to see what this email entails, but:
Would be the first time the Clinton campaign pushes back against the legitimacy of any of the emails.
Would be the first time the Clinton campaign pushes back against the legitimacy of any of the emails.
Rockin' Ranger
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But he's won both debates according to every poll.
I think she'll handle questioning better when it's not coming from the frothing mouth of a rabid orange. Hell, I'd personally like her to actually to have the time to break down why they're bullshit.
Does it really matter to anyone who isn't already sipping on the email koolaid anyway though?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is why getting the House would be a huge win this time around. They could make some huge changes if that were the case.
The Lamonster
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Some, I assume, are good people.
whyamihere
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Well, it would mean a lot if there was actually fake emails within this batch.
NYCmetsfan
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The people sipping it vote and matter.
Fragamemnon
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regression to the poligaf mean
We're gonna have to institute extreme vetting.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That's not true. Behind closed doors, there are more than a few Republicans in Congress that respect Clinton and will be open to cooperating.
Asked about Trump's remark that he's "done" with the debate commission, Jason Miller responds:
https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/786268546749886464
So basically who knows right now
Hooligan69
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Best thing he ever did was extend Daylight Savings time by a couple of months each year.
Ah. I never looked close enough to notice all were from the same person. That makes more sense.
Knuckle Sandwich
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whyamihere
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So, also, Hillary is up 7 in the MULaw 4-way.
Hillary Clinton 44%
Donald Trump 37%
Gary Johnson 9%
Jill Stein 3%
So.
Hillary Clinton 44%
Donald Trump 37%
Gary Johnson 9%
Jill Stein 3%
So.
So, November 9th.
Trump loses decisively. But refuses to concede. He insists that "there's something going on", that Hillary stole the W from him just like she did from Bernie, and calls for revolution (incidentally, just like he did after Romney lost).
Now, the news media will laugh and this and call it dangerous. Democrats do the same. I am sure some republicans will. But, do all of them? How many decide that isolating Trump is the right thing to do, and how many decide that they're unwilling to be labeled a co-conspirator with Hillary and get primaried two years down the road? Will Pence concede for Trump, and if so, what consequences will apply.
It's hard to see how the standard approach of labeling the loser the loser, isolating them, and forging a new path will apply here. Trump will not go quietly. He is VERY CLEARLY signaling his willingness to push them blame on Republicans for failing to support him. And the lengths with which he has gone to satisfy the base is on an entirely different level than it was for previous nominees.
It's really easy to see Trump holding on to a lot of power after the election, and it's not clear to be what the GOP can do about it. This is going to be 2009/2010 Palin on some kind of incredible super-steroids.
Trump loses decisively. But refuses to concede. He insists that "there's something going on", that Hillary stole the W from him just like she did from Bernie, and calls for revolution (incidentally, just like he did after Romney lost).
Now, the news media will laugh and this and call it dangerous. Democrats do the same. I am sure some republicans will. But, do all of them? How many decide that isolating Trump is the right thing to do, and how many decide that they're unwilling to be labeled a co-conspirator with Hillary and get primaried two years down the road? Will Pence concede for Trump, and if so, what consequences will apply.
It's hard to see how the standard approach of labeling the loser the loser, isolating them, and forging a new path will apply here. Trump will not go quietly. He is VERY CLEARLY signaling his willingness to push them blame on Republicans for failing to support him. And the lengths with which he has gone to satisfy the base is on an entirely different level than it was for previous nominees.
It's really easy to see Trump holding on to a lot of power after the election, and it's not clear to be what the GOP can do about it. This is going to be 2009/2010 Palin on some kind of incredible super-steroids.
Can someone make a "Congratulations. PoliGAF played itself." image? K thnx.
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