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[nature boy]

No one is concerned about the presidential race, senate races are concerning and the House was probably never really in play.

 

[TS-08]

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/786268546749886464

So basically who knows right now

Candace later clarified the quote in a tweet:

EXACT QUOTE:
"I have no respect for that group by the way, I have none. It sounds good. Presidential commission. Give me a break."

Seems like "I am done" was actually "I have none."

 

[Plinko]

So, November 9th.

Trump loses decisively. But refuses to concede. He insists that "there's something going on", that Hillary stole the W from him just like she did from Bernie, and calls for revolution (incidentally, just like he did after Romney lost).

Now, the news media will laugh and this and call it dangerous. Democrats do the same. I am sure some republicans will. But, do all of them? How many decide that isolating Trump is the right thing to do, and how many decide that they're unwilling to be labeled a co-conspirator with Hillary and get primaried two years down the road? Will Pence concede for Trump, and if so, what consequences will apply.

It's hard to see how the standard approach of labeling the loser the loser, isolating them, and forging a new path will apply here. Trump will not go quietly. He is VERY CLEARLY signaling his willingness to push them blame on Republicans for failing to support him. And the lengths with which he has gone to satisfy the base is on an entirely different level than it was for previous nominees.

It's really easy to see Trump holding on to a lot of power after the election, and it's not clear to be what the GOP can do about it. This is going to be 2009/2010 Palin on some kind of incredible super-steroids.

If he "calls for revolution" and it results in violence, my guess is he can be arrested, no?

 

[Basileus777]

No one is concerned about the presidential race, senate races are concerning and the House was probably never really in play.

Now this is an overreaction. We don't know the effect on downticket yet and probably won't for another week.

 

[Paches]

What did Sanders say now about Wikileaks


Edit: Oh he said it was fine and let's move on.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

Candace later clarified the quote in a tweet:

Seems like "I am done" was actually "I have none."

Yep and at another point he also mentioned looking forward to the next debate, so this isn't anything.

 

[whyamihere]

Looks like Clinton camp is going for broke, going to start linking downballot Republicans with Trump.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/786271381117816833

@danmericaCNN
Clinton to go after vulnerable GOPers, especially NV's Heck.
Palmieri: "Donald Trump did not become the nominee of the party on his own."

 

[Blader]

That's not true. Behind closed doors, there are more than a few Republicans in Congress that respect Clinton and will be open to cooperating.

Plenty of Republicans like Obama behind closed doors too. What they think about Obama or Clinton behind closed doors doesn't really matter if they're too afraid of being primary'd.

 

[B-Dubs]

If he "calls for revolution" and it results in violence, my guess is he can be arrested, no?

Yea, at that point he's actively inciting violence.

Looks like Clinton camp is going for broke, going to start linking downballot Republicans with Trump.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/786271381117816833

Given all the high profile defections, now is the time to do it. If someone is still with Trump they need to be tied to him so when the n-word tape drops they go down with the ship.

 

[DrForester]

i love the 538 snake

poll only

Been waiting to see blue start to turn that third corner...

 

[Emarv]

Ginsburg will go after the next term in 2017-2018 or souter

Agreed. As soon as they get #9 in, she'll retire for Hillary to replace her.

I haven't looked to see what this email entails, but:



Would be the first time the Clinton campaign pushes back against the legitimacy of any of the emails.

There's been some talk about this. That it could be similar to Soviet tactics. Leak thousands of stuff and then throw in some false stuff here and there so nobody can know the difference. Not saying that's what happened here but I'm kind of waiting for that big email to come out that the Clinton camp flatly denies.

 

[Mael]

Does anybody remember crazy Sean Malstrom? This is the guy who ran a blog dedicated to talking about how great the market strategy behind the Wii was and generally just fellate the NES. His blog was pretty alright at the beginning before descending to madness about 3-4 years into the Wii's lifecycle. (I am convinced you could track him becoming unhinged up against when Other M came out, it broke him)

Well he does occasionally make politics posts, like four years ago when he made a bunch talking about why Mitt Romney would absolutely win. (whoops!) Here's the latest whopper:

https://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/email-trump-tape/

Included is an opening argument about why the Trump Tape is actually bad news for the Clinton Campaign. I figure you guys could use a good laugh this morning.

Read that guy occasionally.
He should never talk politics or anything to do with social movement ever.
There's some interesting points here and there (the "look at where they're spending money to see what they're doing").
But otherwise, it's been dismal content for quite a while.
He's past fellating NES now to grab that delicious Turbografx juice.
Which is interesting considering TG16's commercial failure and his usual point that the market is always right.
Still whether you agree or not, it's still better and more consistent than Pachter and that guy gets regular gaf threads.

Also he is right about Other M, it's a fucking disaster on all counts.

 

[whyamihere]

What did Sanders say now about Wikileaks

 

[hipsterpants]

So, November 9th.

Trump loses decisively. But refuses to concede. He insists that "there's something going on", that Hillary stole the W from him just like she did from Bernie, and calls for revolution (incidentally, just like he did after Romney lost).

Now, the news media will laugh and this and call it dangerous. Democrats do the same. I am sure some republicans will. But, do all of them? How many decide that isolating Trump is the right thing to do, and how many decide that they're unwilling to be labeled a co-conspirator with Hillary and get primaried two years down the road? Will Pence concede for Trump, and if so, what consequences will apply.

It's hard to see how the standard approach of labeling the loser the loser, isolating them, and forging a new path will apply here. Trump will not go quietly. He is VERY CLEARLY signaling his willingness to push them blame on Republicans for failing to support him. And the lengths with which he has gone to satisfy the base is on an entirely different level than it was for previous nominees.

It's really easy to see Trump holding on to a lot of power after the election, and it's not clear to be what the GOP can do about it. This is going to be 2009/2010 Palin on some kind of incredible super-steroids.

I'm pretty sure Trump could start his own political party if he wanted after this election. And it could probably win some house seats in 2018 by just picking some random jackasses that love Trump and hate the establishment.

The "Great American Party" or some shit with their own news network run by Trump and Bannon or whatever.

 

[nature boy]

Now this is an overreaction. We don't know the effect on downticket yet and probably won't for another week.

Why? Downballot hasn't been affected by the tape, while Trump did.

 

[Mael]

Looks like Clinton camp is going for broke, going to start linking downballot Republicans with Trump.

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/786271381117816833

People here were right, this election is payback for everything Clinon had to suffer.
This is turning into ultimate karma or something.

 

[Paches]

Sounds good, MSNBC teased it before break and made it sound like he was mad or something.

 

[Emarv]

I kind of miss the way Sanders says "Wik-uh-leaks".

 

[KHarvey16]

Why? Downballot hasn't been affected by the tape, while Trump did.

How can you say down ballot hasn't been affected?

 

[Ondore]

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.

"Americans voting for a president on Nov. 8 must realize that they are voting for peace on Planet Earth if they vote for Trump. But if they vote for Hillary it's war. It will be a short movie. There will be Hiroshimas and Nagasakis everywhere."

And oh, by the way...

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

 

[whyamihere]

Why? Downballot hasn't been affected by the tape, while Trump did.

We literally have had like 2 polls since post-tape for downballot candidates. And stuff like the MULaw poll was taken half before the tapes dropped. So that's quite a stretch!

 

[Retromelon]

Everyday is a new scandal! Trump has unbelievable baggage.

He walked in and leered at underage teen usa candidates..

 

[metalslimer]

The truth is that if you were to hack Sanders campaign emails I'm sure you'd find nasty shit he said about Clinton and some shady strategies. It's politics and thankfully he recognizes we are far past it.The Russians are pathetic lol.

 

[B-Dubs]

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.



And oh, by the way...

Jesus fuck. I might want to think about moving to the middle of nowhere in the next few weeks if this is anything to go by.

 

[makingmusic476]

Anyone think Trump railing against Ryan could lead to Ryan losing reelection?

 

[whyamihere]

Kaine to start doing interviews in Utah.

Dan Merica
Clinton's spokeswoman says there are no plans to go to Utah just yet, but adds that Kaine will do local interviews in the state this week.

 

[Ithil]

Yea, at that point he's actively inciting violence.



Given all the high profile defections, now is the time to do it. If someone is still with Trump they need to be tied to him so when the n-word tape drops they go down with the ship.

And also if they start getting attacked over Trump, some of them might unendorse Trump to mitigate the attacks, which then turns Trump's base on them. It's a lose-lose situation for the GOP.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Trump's penchant for suprise attacks and first strikes is way more likely to lead to conflict escalation than Hillary's approach.

That comment is also completely out of touch with the Kremlin's stated-and-restated nuclear policy. Dude's just blowing hot air.

 

[mo60]

Anyone think Trump railing against Ryan could lead to Ryan losing reelection?

No. There are not enough trump supporters in his congressional district. He may lose it if republican voters in general don't bother to vote as much this year.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Jesus fuck. I might want to think about moving to the middle of nowhere in the next few weeks if this is anything to go by.

Canada seems nice.

 

[makingmusic476]

Trump's penchant for suprise attacks and first strikes is way more likely to lead to conflict escalation than Hillary's approach.

That comment is also completely out of touch with the Kremlin's stated-and-restated nuclear policy. Dude's just blowing hot air.

But it seems like Trump would give Putin a pass on whatever he does, while Clinton would stand up to him.

 

[Emarv]

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.

And oh, by the way...

Hmmm. So not actual nuclear war, but foreshadowing the setup for things to come. Pretty sure I said it weeks ago here, but it felt like Putin and Iran's moves lately have been just harassing, buying time and setting up the pieces for the inevitable game between Clinton and Putin over Syria et al next year. Inflammatory comments like this is just more signaling for those scenarios to come.

 

[Basileus777]

Canada seems nice.

Canada's getting nuked too.

 

[ampere]

Candace later clarified the quote in a tweet:



Seems like "I am done" was actually "I have none."

Ah. Booooring

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.



And oh, by the way...

Lovely. So the USSR never really went away, just got smaller

 

[nature boy]

How can you say down ballot hasn't been affected?

If he's recovering his GOP base (per the NBC/WSJ poll) post-debate, why should the downballot be affected?

We literally have had like 2 polls since post-tape for downballot candidates. And stuff like the MULaw poll was taken half before the tapes dropped. So that's quite a stretch!

It's not a stretch, Johnson's number didn't collapse. I agree we need to wait for a more accurate view, but there's no data yet to suggest downballot is being damaged with the presidential candidate.

 

[BrokenFiction]

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.



And oh, by the way...

Hahaha...bullshit. So vote for Hillary and get someone who makes Putin nervous, or vote for someone who will be a toad of the new reformed Soviet Union. Gotcha.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Lovely. So the USSR never really went away, just got smaller

They're like the UKIP of Russia. Came third in a country with rigged elections. Not worth paying attention to.

 

[whyamihere]

It's not a stretch, Johnson's number didn't collapse. I agree we need to wait for a more accurate view, but there's no data yet to suggest downballot is being damaged with the presidential candidate.

yes because we really don't have any data

jfc, you cannot make any intuitions from a poll conducted party before said scandal occurred.

 

[Boke1879]

Y'all need to chill lol

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Plenty of Republicans like Obama behind closed doors too. What they think about Obama or Clinton behind closed doors doesn't really matter if they're too afraid of being primary'd.

Republican voters have always hated Democrats (remember Jesse Helms threatening Bill Clinton not to enter NC without a bodyguard?), but Republicans in Congress still worked with Democrats. There are significant differences between Obama and Clinton.

 

[KHarvey16]

If he's recovering his GOP base (per the NBC/WSJ poll) post-debate, why should the downballot be affected?

So per one singular poll and then arbitrary speculation based on that, it can't be happening. Gotcha.

 

[Fragamemnon]

But it seems like Trump would give Putin a pass on whatever he does, while Clinton would stand up to him.

Trump's approach to let Putin run free is much more likely to lead to article five situation as Putin puts America's loyalty to NATO to the test. Europe responds conventionally, America is dragged into things, Russia is quickly overwhelmed (the old fulda gap scenario is now flipped-NATO has a much stronger and larger conventional forces), and then we're all left hoping that A) no one makes a mistake and B) that we come to a ceasefire instead of having to move anywhere on Russian soil.

There's no magic bullet to deal with Putin but Trump's approach is just begging to let him dismantle NATO through manufactured crisis.

 

[Thaedolus]

Anyone thinking Clinton or Putin are stupid enough to start a nuclear war need to get their heads checked. Any amount of pragmatism in these two means it'll be avoided at all costs.

The same can't be said for Donald administration.

 

[nature boy]

yes because we really don't have any data

jfc, you cannot make any intuitions from a poll conducted party before said scandal occurred.

Ok, bookmarked for future reference.

 

[PantherLotus]

Jesus fuck. I might want to think about moving to the middle of nowhere in the next few weeks if this is anything to go by.

where do you think our silos are? what do you think would be targeted first?

1. NORAD
2. all the silos in the midwest, yo

 

[Wilsongt]

I bet Johnson has never felt so relevant in his life. He should enjoy it while he can before he has to slink back to the shadows of "Who the hell is that?" With Jill Stein.

 

[Iolo]

Reuters: Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Jesus fuck.

And oh, by the way...

Lol Zhirinovsky. Might as well look to Michele Bachmann for policy thoughts.

Besides, the concept is nonsense. We don't field nuclear weapons that small anymore.

 

[whyamihere]

Did anyone from the Trump campaign bother to take a moment to think about if the last name "Palmieri" might sound a bit, oh, I don't know, Italian, before screaming faux-anti-Catholic outrage?

 

[Basileus777]

Ok, bookmarked for future reference.

Whatever happens in the future won't change the lack of evidence we have now.

 

[Gruco]

If he "calls for revolution" and it results in violence, my guess is he can be arrested, no?

Yea, at that point he's actively inciting violence.



Given all the high profile defections, now is the time to do it. If someone is still with Trump they need to be tied to him so when the n-word tape drops they go down with the ship.

Interestingly, the two tweets in 2012 calling for revolution have been deleted. Given that Trump doesn't deleter tweets, there had to have been some kind of conversation in that one.

Regardless of whether he calls for violence of holds the party hostage, it's increasingly hard for me to see how Trumpism ends with Trump. This won't be a one-off, and the battles will extend far beyond this election.