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PoliGAF 2016 |OT13| For Queen and Country
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Veritigo_X
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Honestly, I think whoever said that was just bullshitting trying to drum up sympathy by saying this incident affected everyday voters and wasn't thinking about any legal implications with what was said. I hope it's at least looked into though.
I wouldn't say that. Looking at Qpac's previous senate polls of PA, they've been EXTREMELY Toomey friendly. Their last one had them +8.
metalslimer
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Besides CO I don't trust any of those Q polls. No way Rubio is only up 2
NYCmetsfan
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Solid black isn't standard on billboards.
And you are scared for a reason, the only other time you've seen that is from Islamic terrorism. You can't read it or uncover its message. How are you supposed to?
Who is this helping? How does this stop fear? I mean I don't think we need to take back black standards, they've been negative since piracy. We're not trying to take back swastikas or white hoods.
I mean if we want to stop Islamophobia we can't reinforce peoples reactions (which that billboard intentionally does!). And again the billboard offers no context. Why are we trying to fight people's association of arabic with terrorism by continuing its association? When I've been to arabic speaking places I don't see that around. I see normal advertisements.
It sounds like well meaning people who don't understand how people think or come to their ideas.
I don't think in jokes among liberals are how to reach out to the people who need to change their views.
Carpe Carnim
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It's a very fractured state, with multiple power-bases that don't work together. It's why we nominate GOP retreads like Crist, instead of actual Liberals.
With that said, no one gives a shit about Murphy, he was a tool to rebuke a fascist like Allen West who snuck in during the Tea Party wave. He's bland and doesn't really have a constituency in his district, let alone the rest of Florida. Especially not in heavy military and rural areas.
But yeah, we're a bit slow here in Floriduh
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Fox News had it in their original report. If others confirmed they weren't there, then that would be that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Missouri and Indiana are going to have 2 Dem Senators and a Dem governor each in a few months despite being deep red.
Kind of funny to me.
Kind of funny to me.
whyamihere
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I would be pissed if McGinty lost, but the last public polls have been Tie, McGinty +4, Tie, Toomey +4, McGinty +2, and now Toomey +4. It's been sort of muddled for a while.
IggyChooChoo
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I think it's pretty easy to imagine a scenario in which Republicans don't reform much at all and still win back power in congress and the White House. Say Clinton gets hit with a recession and Speaker Ryan refuses to allow a stimulus. We're already prepping to lose the Senate in 2018. Maybe Hillary gets tarred with a dumb scandal or does poorly on some international issue. Maybe the GOP does reform its primary rules to screen out the psychos and they produce a challenger in 2020 who's somewhat young, charismatic, and with little baggage, like say, Nikki Haley. Speaker Gohmert and Mitch McConnell then nuke Medicaid completely, and Social Security and Medicare get privatized. I like the Dem coalition as currently constituted, but even assuming the GOP pays a heavy price after all this and we do get another magical period where we control White House and Congress soon afterwards, what are the chances that our Dem coalition will really go to the mat to restore Medicaid? Not good, IMO. The asymmetry favors the barbarians at the gate, not the Romans.
Wag
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/curt-schilling-senate-run-2018-229927
Curt Schilling is going to run against Elizabeth Warren for Senate in 2018 in my state. BAHAHAHAHA!
Curt Schilling is going to run against Elizabeth Warren for Senate in 2018 in my state. BAHAHAHAHA!
Manmademan
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Q has been consistently WAY too R leaning In the toomey/mcginty race. The dude is finished and everyone knows it.
Democratic registration in my particular Philly suburban county just broke records. 1 out of 3 voters in the state are in the Philly metro and trump is losing that area by 70/30 margins. There aren't enough ticket splitters in the world to save Toomey's ass.
If their take on the FL Senate race is anywhere near as off as PA is, Florida is extremely winnable.
StopMakingSense
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Yep. this is my take too.
The ones we're talking about are the ones that are supposedly so bad even Trump's deplorables will have trouble spinning them.
Joe Shlabotnik
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BlastProcessing
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Honestly, probably gross incompetence. But you could imagine a scenario where the ballots were filled out in the presence of a volunteer who maybe snuck a peek at the ballot. The ones they didn't feel confident about might have been collected and they wouldn't have been in any hurry to send those on.
metalslimer
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The MA GOP can't be that stupid.
Hell they have the governorship so I know they aren't complete idiots.
Hell they have the governorship so I know they aren't complete idiots.
whyamihere
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More reason to not buy those QPac polls: DSCC just announced it's pulling out of Florida. Murphy, Sad!
He already stepped in it defending Trump over his dating young girls comment.
RustyNails
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MA GOP = FL democrats
BlastProcessing
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He is setting up for a 2020 Presidential run. All he needs to do is use this race to get a national profile. He gets to pick a big fight with one of the GOP base's top boogeymen. He doesn't need to win. He just needs to show and he will start raising decent money.
I have said it for 6 months now. Schilling is my pick for the 2020 nominee. He has all the elements needed to succeed.
Manmademan
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Honestly there's not much point to spending money to pump up Murphy. He's too low profile.
That race is going to be won or lost based on how poorly trump is received.
AntraxSuicide
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You're scared for a racist reason, no differently than being scared of a black person in a hoodie. The association you have is bad.
That billboard does the opposite of reinforces that association! A billboard with Arabic on it that didn't look like that would reinforce it. "White text on black background means terrorist! Otherwise, okay" is not a good thing! Instead this billboard sends the message that "White Arabic on black background doesn't tell you anything" which is true.
And it's more of a shame thing anyway. The goal should always be to shame racists. "Changing their views" is something people say when they live in liberal areas and don't know real Republicans.
I dunno I rolled through all of CA to Vegas and back driving.
There are A METRIC SHITTON of bible thumping black on white billboards along the central valley towards Nevada and back.
Either way I don't believe excusing ignorance for the sake of comfort to the already woefully ignorant is going to improve things anymore than the sign would supposedly hurt the current situation. I'd wager the same people who find this offensive would also find it equally offensive to have the same text in Spanish with Donald Trump being there or literally any other language.
There are A METRIC SHITTON of bible thumping black on white billboards along the central valley towards Nevada and back.
Either way I don't believe excusing ignorance for the sake of comfort to the already woefully ignorant is going to improve things anymore than the sign would supposedly hurt the current situation. I'd wager the same people who find this offensive would also find it equally offensive to have the same text in Spanish with Donald Trump being there or literally any other language.
Manmademan
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Why is it the responsibility of liberals to change the views of racists, and not the responsibility of racist republicans to have some degree of introspection and not be assholes?
Carpe Carnim
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Not even. MA GOP at least won the Governor's office and fluked into a temporary Senator.
It also doesn't help that ~20% of our Black population is barred from voting.
MA GOP = Titans
FL Dems = Browns
Missouri is a strange state for sure. Republicans have a super majority in the state senate and house but we had a Dem governor since 2008. We already have one Dem senator. Many state positions can go Dem. If we had more pockets of democrat areas it would be a different state for sure
TheLostBigBoss
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"Curt Schilling can't even run a video game studio with a $75 million loan from the Rhode Island government. How can he run a country?"
The ads write themselves.
AntraxSuicide
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This too.
I'll take post Bernie era social movement over tired old Reaganism any day, thank you very much.
Aaron Strife
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So why can I find so many billboards with solid black backgrounds on Google images?
Basileus777
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Do you have a link to the map?
NYCmetsfan
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Not having read that cracked thread but I think there is a difference between seeking to understand how they think to better solve the problem vs. apologism.
Almost everything I see about the white working class is apologism and not an effort to solve racism in these communities even if its pretends it is.
That being said I think there is an issue with pretending racism is some chosen believe system and pretending people can be taught out of it
Bam Bam Baklava
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What.
Aaron Strife
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These polls are weird.
She's winning Georgia while losing Florida, Ohio, Nevada, Arizona, and Iowa. ok
What does this say? WaPo is telling me that I've used all my free article views.
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