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PoliGAF 2016 |OT13| For Queen and Country
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Manmademan
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Jesus, if Clinton takes Arizona by 5 this is going to be a massacre.
Fragamemnon
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Trump keep finding new floors. He's probably around 41, maybe 42% pull on election day at this point. Each week he seems to dig a little deeper.
Wonder if it is just people talking and sharing who they vote for. As more people say they will vote for Hillary, other people feel OK with that choice too.
Finally for all the "will X show up for Hilary???" , where X is young people/african americans/latinos/, no one is asking if no college education whites will actually turn out for Trump if he's clearly losing. It's amazing how there's been so much coverage and talk of who the Trump voter is, but so little analysis on if they will actually get out and vote.
Wonder if it is just people talking and sharing who they vote for. As more people say they will vote for Hillary, other people feel OK with that choice too.
Finally for all the "will X show up for Hilary???" , where X is young people/african americans/latinos/, no one is asking if no college education whites will actually turn out for Trump if he's clearly losing. It's amazing how there's been so much coverage and talk of who the Trump voter is, but so little analysis on if they will actually get out and vote.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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To be fair, I don't know how to reply when people say, if I did what Hillary Clinton did with the private emails and lying about them, I would be in jail. I just say she is horrible too, but not as bad as Trump.
it's really happening isn't it.
Fragamemnon
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One of the more interesting maps for the general election endgame is actually the GOP primary map:
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/national-results-map
States where Trump's support was always soft are the states that are breaking hard away from him. They never wanted him, and as soon as they felt that they didn't have to vote for him, Trump's standing in the state dropped like a rock.
I mean, what doesn't incite violence at a Trump rally. Trump's rhetoric whipes them up into a ffrenzy.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/national-results-map
States where Trump's support was always soft are the states that are breaking hard away from him. They never wanted him, and as soon as they felt that they didn't have to vote for him, Trump's standing in the state dropped like a rock.
I mean, what doesn't incite violence at a Trump rally. Trump's rhetoric whipes them up into a ffrenzy.
nature boy
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Methinks the Clinton campaign, knowing how cautious they are, knew they are ahead and are trying to consolidate the win.
McCain still +12, maybe bringing the surrogates could close the gap.
nature boy
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Steve Schimidt said the presidential race is over, the Senate is Dem and if the race was today the Rs would lose 25 seats.
CoffeeJanitor
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Donald is a crazy candidate.
I know that we were all expecting him warring with the GOP to tear the GOP voter base in two, but I think that what's more likely to happen is that GOP voters will treat him as a freaking dumpster fire and just ignore him on the ballot. I think ticket splitting will actually be pretty common.
Really not feeling like the house is in play at all...
Diablos is still a verb
I was along on the sympathy ride with her until she mentioned "Benghazi, Wikileaks and left wing media". I get why a wife would defend her husband, but when you go on the offense with conspiracies, you're part of the team. Same for Ivanka.
It's a James O'Keefe video. No one should need to comment on it until he releases the raw footage.
Officerrob
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How quickly does someone like Paul Ryan turn on Trump publicly after Trump refuses to concede and starts trying to contest the election?
It's some guys hired by a consultant firm hired by a Dem leaning PAC, so almost unconnected. And they incited violence by wearing Planned Parenthood shirts or saying Trump is a Nazi.
Meanwhile, dozens of people have been yelling "Bill is a rapist" in the last week and nobody got beat up. Also, some actual members of the Trump campaign have been on record repeatedly asking for Hillary to be shot for treason.
Fixed.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I think we should also consider the prolonged affect of Donald essentially encouraging his own supporters to stay home by hammering on the "rigged election" talking point. He's straight up telling his own base that voting doesn't matter. It's maybe the most stupendous instance of Trump's ego getting in his own way that I've seen so far, and there's plenty of competition in that regard.
CoffeeJanitor
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Obama's approval rating looking great...
So, if this is round 3 of the presidential wrestling match, Trump has now run past his opponent, Hillary, and started repeatedly kicking the announcer in the nuts, all while shouting I DID IT. I'M WINNING.
edit - He also ran out of the ring to do this, immediately disqualifying himself
edit - He also ran out of the ring to do this, immediately disqualifying himself
Putting aside the questionable nature of the video and what constitutes incitement, this isn't even hard. Disavow any and all political violence and incitement thereof, "be it from a candidate or volunteers on the ground," and pivot to positive message.
This is quickly turning into a Yugi-Oh match.
User 463088
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That Selzer poll better move bad Nate's model by 6 points is all I have to say.
I think that's the O'Keefe video. He should have any relevance. If it does get brought up just keep it simple. " we reject violence and don't approve of it."
Can easily pivot it back to Trump when he called for his crowd to slap the hell out of protestors
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User 463088
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1. It's O'Keefe.
2. You could literally swap out "Dem operatives" with anything other than "white men" and it'd be an accurate right wing headline for 90% of all Trump rallies.
3. It's O'Keefe.
4. Nobody outside the Breitbart / infowarz bubble will care. I think even Fox News understands at this point how O'Keefe footage is prone to blowback and might hesitate to give this much play. Then again, it's Fox, journalistic integrity is pretty low on the list. Could be 50 / 50, depends on the playability of the footage I guess.
5. Still O'Keefe.
Nazgul_Hunter
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The thing that gets me the most about he O'Keefe video is that the 'violence' part is really no worse than breitbart paying people to yell "Bill Clinton is a rapist," the difference is Clinton rallies aren't filled with deplorables
gutterboy44
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So what is beyond going, "Full Briebart?" Is Trump going to rollout some fresh new conspiracies tonight that his own internal team are cooking up? If he wants to launch his own alt-right brand, he will want to have a fresh new birther like movement to bang on over and over. I am sure he has already spitballed it at rallies but I cannot watch anymore of his fear mongering live. The debates are already hard enough to watch. I cannot wait to vote.
TheLostBigBoss
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Yea, inciting violence is usually starting some type of physical incident, right?
Baiting a bunch of racists who dont know how to communicate in non violent manners is hardly inciting violence.
But what do I know.
I mean, do people get punched in the face for screaming Bill is a rapist at Clinton rallies?
Baiting a bunch of racists who dont know how to communicate in non violent manners is hardly inciting violence.
But what do I know.
I mean, do people get punched in the face for screaming Bill is a rapist at Clinton rallies?
shinra-bansho
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nature boy
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TheLostBigBoss
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Errrrr, who is PRRI
Ignoring the crazy numbers, the most amusing thing to me was the bit about personal morality. Seems that white evangelicals have had a big change of heart, and now immoral actions shouldn't prevent you from holding office after all.
Bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Will be interesting to see if Trump voters decide to stay home since Trump is saying that the election is "rigged" every two seconds.
I think diablos feels a little unloved since we switched to bed wetting
What kind of pollster are they? They aren't listed on worst Nate's site.
CoffeeJanitor
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Trump News Network's lead story is already built in for the first year: "How Hillary stole the election!" Alt-right nutjobs will say it's straight from the source and boycott Fox for being aligned with the stampede of "RINOs" trying to disavow Trump after he implodes. For not being extreme enough for them. After that first year it'll just be Bash Hillary 24/7. And it'll work, they'll eat that shit up.
Not even a tiny bit surprised by that, not after Pat Robertson amd Ralph Reed and such talking about democrats being termites and calling for a "Godly Fumigation" or saying shit about putting people in body bags. Evangelical Politics, of the Christian Coalition variety, has been about as un-Christian as it gets.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Not sure, Wikipedia says they conduct polls via people and poll both Landlines and Cellphones, so at least surface shittiness is ruled out.
Carpe Carnim
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"After 8 years of terror under the heel of the Kenyan usurper, the GOP base reached for a flawed candidate who brought fresh new ideas and youthful energy to the party, but was savaged by the Dems who used tangential boy-room banter from a decade prior to leverage their control of the Liberal Media."
The recriminations from the fractured parts of the party, and screams of "back-stabber!" are where most of my joy will come from in the next 4 years.
nature boy
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Non-profit research organization, this poll was conducted for the Brookings Institute, so no reason to be entirely skeptical.
excelsiorlef
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Tell them the FBI literally said that's not true. That the only way they could give Clinton special treatment is if they did put her in jail.
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