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PoliGAF 2016 |OT13| For Queen and Country

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whyamihere

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Bowdz said:
So if Dems sweep NC this year, how much of an impact of will Cooper be able to have on early voting and other voting rights laws for future elections?
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The governor's party controls the election boards in every single county.

ZealousD said:
Uh, what does the racial divide between Clinton and Obama in 2008 have to do with Bernie, at all?
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That there were a lot of WWC people voting for Bernie not necessarily because they agreed with his policies and would've voted for him in the general but he was Not Clinton.
 
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Fragamemnon

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Bowdz said:
So if Dems sweep NC this year, how much of an impact of will Cooper be able to have on early voting and other voting rights laws for future elections?
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The state house-level gerrymandering they did was enormous and the court ruling that demanded a redraw of the state house level maps won't take effect until the 2018 election. NC Dems can't take the statehouse, the best we can do is use the veto to stop the crazy.
 
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A Link to the Past

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Qwerty710710 said:
A few Georgia polls came out today and they all show Trump with 2-4 point leads. Looks like it's not flipping this year.
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We really need some big oppo to come out. I'm still hoping beyond all hopes that Trump is caught on tape denigrating white people. Evangelicals, coal miners, and the Bible belt, all of these things, call them stupid assholes!
 
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ZealousD

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whyamihere said:
That there were a lot of WWC people voting for Bernie not necessarily because they agreed with his policies and would've voted for him in the general but he was Not Clinton.
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What does this have to do with racial divides? Is the implication here that Dem WWC is necessarily racist? Or that the primary driver for why Dem WWC votes the way it does is race issues? Or maybe you think the "Not Clinton" stance amongst Dems is racially driven?
 
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whyamihere

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ZealousD said:
What does this have to do with racial divides? Is the implication here that Dem WWC is necessarily racist? Or that the primary driver for why Dem WWC votes the way it does is race issues? Or maybe you think the "Not Clinton" stance is racially driven?
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Yes, yes, and yes.
 
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Black Mamba

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Salma Hayek claimed that Donald Trump pursued her while she had a boyfriend, asked her on a date, and then — angry at being rejected — planted a National Enquirer story about her being too short for him, in an interview on a nationally syndicated Spanish-language radio show that aired Friday.

Hayek, a Hillary Clinton surrogate, began by arguing that Trump was bad for the Latino community and extolled Clinton’s virtues, before the host of El Show del Mandril on Radio Centro 93.9 in Los Angeles asked her opinion on the number of women that have come forward alleging Trump sexually assaulted them.
She said she believed the allegations.

“When I met that man I had a boyfriend and he tried to become his friend to get my home telephone number,” she said, describing meeting Trump early in her career before she was well-known. “He got my number and he would call me to invite me out.”

“When I told him I wouldn’t go out with him, even if I didn’t have a boyfriend, [which he took as disrespectful], he called — well, he wouldn’t say he called, but someone told the National Enquirer,” Hayek continued, adding that she never went out with him.

“Someone told the National Enquirer — I’m not going to say who because you know that whatever he wants to come out, comes out in the National Enquirer. It said that he wouldn’t go out with me, because I was too short,” she said.

“Later, he called and left me a message. ‘Can you believe this? Who would say this? I don’t want people to think this about you,’” she said. “He thought that I would try to go out with him so people wouldn’t think that’s why he wouldn’t go out with me.”
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Good god, Trump is such scum.

Salma Hayak can do no wrong, though.
 
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Squire

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Maggie Serota said:
My boy Tapper’s soul floated out of his body and up to the ceiling and then looked down on his husk of a frame being paralyzed by Giuliani laughing off Trump bragging about sexual assault. The heavens parted and a voice boomed, “It’s not your time yet, Jacob,” forcing his soul to return back to its earthly cell and finish the interview.
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Just brilliant.
 
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Iolo said:
Was posted on the last page fyi.
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Oops, Twitter outage got me behind.

Hey, turns out the economy isn't too bad outside of Trump rallies

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ZealousD

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whyamihere said:
Yes, yes, and yes.
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That's offensive and ignorant as far as I'm concerned. Just a further spread of the offensive and ignorant "Bernie supporters are racist" garbage that infested the primaries. Those WWC voters who are primarily motivated by racism have a candidate in Donald Trump. But the vast majority of Bernie supporters are voting for Clinton in the general and even amongst the crazy Bernie or Busters who aren't voting for her, Donald Trump is also deeply unpopular.

Bernie voters are a huge part of Clinton's current coalition and so you have nothing to gain by shitting on them.
 
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Loxley

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My mom asked my dad if he's going to vote early this year, his response was more or less, "No. I'm going to vote on election day because I want to see them put my ballot in the box." He's totally bought into this bullshit conspiracy about the election being rigged against Trump. Sigh.

Then again I shouldn't act too surprised. Back when I signed up for Obamacare he warned me not to write down my political affiliation if I was asked (which I wasn't, duh), for fear that you would be denied coverage if you identified as a Republican (which, for the record, I didn't). I wanted to tell him how fucking stupid that sort of thinking was, but I just did not want to get into that argument. He also thinks Obama is secretly a muslim, so really there'd be no winning with him at all.
 
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Iolo

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I meant to post this yesterday but couldn't due to Switch. This is the point during the debate when Hillary said to go google "donald trump iraq".

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geomon

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North Carolina slashed their early voting hours and now this is what the lines look like

Can you imagine if there wasn't any early voting?

After North Carolina’s attempt to eliminate an entire week of early voting was struck down by a federal court in July, many Republican-controlled county election boards tried to take matters into their own hands. Dozens of counties voted to slash the number of early voting locations — especially targeting areas of high Democratic voter turnout like college campuses and African-American neighborhoods. Many, but not all, of these cuts were blocked by the state Board of Elections.
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Disgusting shit.
 
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User 463088

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ZealousD said:
That's offensive and ignorant as far as I'm concerned. Just a further spread of the offensive and ignorant "Bernie supporters are racist" garbage that infested the primaries. Those WWC voters who are primarily motivated by racism have a candidate in Donald Trump. But the vast majority of Bernie supporters are voting for Clinton in the general and even amongst the crazy Bernie or Busters who aren't voting for her, Donald Trump is also deeply unpopular.

Bernie voters are a huge part of Clinton's current coalition and so you have nothing to gain by shitting on them.
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I think you're taking this far too personally here. There is no shade being thrown at Bernie or his supporters.

The conventional wisdom was that Hillary had a strong base of support among white working class voters in the 2008 primary. And, while she did very well with them, it wasn't because they really liked her policies. It was because she was white. That is why she did so well in West Virginia and Oklahoma as opposed to this year. She benefited from being white in 2008, because, as much as we hate to admit it, there are racists in the Democratic party.

In 2016, Bernie benefited from what I would argue is a similar dynamic, but based more on gender than race. (Although, because Hillary did argue that she was a continuation of the Obama presidency, there may have been a small racial component as well.) He also benefited from being "not Hillary," in the same way Obama did in 2008. That's not to say Bernie's voters were racist or sexist. There were some racists and sexists in his coalition, just as there were in Hillary's.

The argument that the article was putting forward was what we were talking about. Hillary didn't have some huge advantage with white working class voters. (Neither would Bernie, to be honest once we get to the general.) A lot of his voters in West Virginia, for example, always intended to vote for Trump. Hillary's 2008 advantage with white, working class voters wasn't entirely based on her platform, just as Bernie's advantage with them in 2016 wasn't entire based on his platform. (Unless, we want to argue that conservative Democrats have suddenly turned into socialists.)
 
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