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PoliGAF 2016 |OT13| For Queen and Country
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RustyNails
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CNN created a small webseries called Science of Political Deception that examines Hillary and Trump with regards to lying and bullshittery by bringing experts to examine their "lies". Each episode is 3 mins and there are 5 in total.
TLDW: Hillary lies just as much as a normal private citizen does, meaning, not much and the lies themselves are protective in nature. Trump is on a completely different level. If you do not wanna watch the 5 webisodes, watch just this one.. I screamed fuck yes after watching it. The way the media treated both Hillary and Trump's lies as equal in magnitude is something that greatly annoyed all of us this election.
TLDW: Hillary lies just as much as a normal private citizen does, meaning, not much and the lies themselves are protective in nature. Trump is on a completely different level. If you do not wanna watch the 5 webisodes, watch just this one.. I screamed fuck yes after watching it. The way the media treated both Hillary and Trump's lies as equal in magnitude is something that greatly annoyed all of us this election.
CNN created a small webseries called Science of Political Deception that examines Hillary and Trump with regards to lying and bullshittery by bringing experts to examine their "lies". Each episode is 3 mins and there are 5 in total.
TLDW: Hillary lies just as much as a normal private citizen does, meaning, not much and the lies themselves are protective in nature. Trump is on a completely different level. If you do not wanna watch the 5 webisodes, watch just this one.. I screamed fuck yes after watching it. The way the media treated both Hillary and Trump's lies as equal in magnitude is something that greatly annoyed all of us this election.
It's still incredible to me that Hillary is the "liar" while Trump's pathological lying is given a free pass.
Manmademan
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So does America.
It's possible that trump and clinton's numbers revert to some kind of mean over the next 16 days or so, but I don't really see this happening. Trump has been VERY successfully branded as someone guilty of repeated sexual assault, and that's not something that goes away all that quickly.
the narrative is also rapidly building that Trump has already lost- look at Rove on television this morning, just giving up. all that's going to do is going to depress republican turnout. Democrats and women on the other hand are all too motivated to express just how angry and disgusted they are with Trump- even if they're not in love with clinton.
RustyNails
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They also examine that as well.
Trump is a runaway freight train of lies and falsehoods, whereas Hillary is a normal human being. The reason why people buy Trump and not Hillary is because Trump uses 5th grader vocab. Hillary uses more complex sentences. Dumb Americans think that since he talks "just like me", he can't be lying whereas Hillary is hiding behind complete sentences and accurate grammar. It makes sense and cuts to the heart of American politics.
In a roundabout way, after watching this series I have come to respect Hillary more. It's like...she's NORMAL HUMAN BEING. Trump is a colossal lying fuck.
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Dominican Power
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I hope the DNC ups their security.
Manmademan
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one could also phrase it in the sense that Trump comes off as speaking off the cuff and "what he feels" so it doesn't matter if it's accurate or not, he's being transparent and that's what matters.
Deplorables on the other hand see Hillary's falsehoods as being calculated deceptions designed to trick them- so she's worse.
ryutaro's mama
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Yeah the "already lost" narrative hit one of my friends who is hard R republican in Texas. Voted on everything else, left the top of the ballot blank. His words, "No point, man. Already decided." He voted Romney and McCain in the last two.
Pretty sure he isn't alone. Meanwhile, up here in Washington, I can assure you the top of my ballot won't be blank.
I dont know how you could nominate a candidate worse than Trump. An actual card carrying Neo Nazi pedophile next up or some shit?
I think in Trump supporters' minds they're able to handwave it away because Trump has never held office in anything. So somehow, he'll magically "tell it like it is" when he becomes the president. Whereas Hillary is the typical slimy politician that they've been taught to distrust since Day 1 (All politicians lie after all), so from their perspective, they perceive Hillary as lying about really serious shit, and being someone who they could easily see attempt to cover up something that the public might want to know about.
With Trump's lies, they only think of obvious shit like "I have the most respect for women", or "I am the least racist person you've ever met". Whereas Hillary has to deal with the emails, conspiracies of her involved in the deaths of 3 people, Benghazi, the already inherently low amount of trust people have for politicians in general, etc. Plus if you're watching things like Fox News or hearing Crooked Hillary repeatedly, it's unsurprising if you turn out having a negative opinion of her. As far as they're concerned, none of Trump's serious lies could ever equate to whatever they think Hillary has done.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't know if it's the vocabulary.
Ben Carson has a pretty normal speaking skills compared to other politicians and he's viewed as honest despite everything he's says being a lie.
Paul LePage will get 14/88 tattoos and then win the nomination.
Ben Carson has a pretty normal speaking skills compared to other politicians and he's viewed as honest despite everything he's says being a lie.
Paul LePage will get 14/88 tattoos and then win the nomination.
GoldenEye 007
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David Duke seems to be starting a budding Senate career!
Voysa Reezun
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It's because liberals are critical of their own candidates' statements, but conservatives are not. Therefore, Hillary's statements are critiqued from the left and the right, but Trump's statements are only critiqued from the left.
Plus, Hillary is a woman and thus isn't given the benefit of the doubt that she is telling the truth because she's ambitious, and ambitious women are considered to be equivocating and dissembling right off the jump in the United States.
Plus, Hillary is a woman and thus isn't given the benefit of the doubt that she is telling the truth because she's ambitious, and ambitious women are considered to be equivocating and dissembling right off the jump in the United States.
Manmademan
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you say this, but forget that Ben Carson was at one point the overwhelming #2 favorite right behind Trump.
And lest we forget 2012...Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum...
As I suspected, the "Trump is doomed" death-spiral is on its way for the last couple of weeks of the campaign. And since Trump doesn't give a damn about anyone else on the ballot, I expect he'll double-down on crazy conspiracy theories and "rigged" rhetoric which will drive down Republican turnout even more.
Duke/Nugent 2020!
RustyNails
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Ben Carson still spoke like a slightly polished Trump. Hillary - like a person who's careful her words do not get twisted - uses lot of qualifiers and specifics in talking about her actions. For example, she is technically correct that she did not send or receive anything that was marked classified. How are emails marked classified? It is relayed in the Header. She hung on to that specific, but had to dial back and say sorry to the idiot country made up of idiot people.
JHoNNy1OoO
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And this election is going to make the politicians left in the GOP even more extreme. Just look at the threats Paul Ryan is getting from within and he isn't even that moderate! The Tea Party types got a hold of the party and they are screwed.
Double cupping? Why does she hate the earth?Hillary finds out Cubs are going to the world series
NYCmetsfan
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Now that I've voted and Hillary's victory seems all but assured I'm enjoying tuning out of this race for a bit.
It's been so damn exhausting
It's been so damn exhausting
I guess it's old news, but Trump hotels will no longer feature Trump's name
http://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/trump-scion-hotels
http://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/trump-scion-hotels
Manmademan
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NYCmetsfan
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I feel kinda mixed about this.
On the one hand Trump deserves failure but on the other I have a personal connection with the many workers at his hotels in NYC and know how hard they work and how hard they've fought for their union and contracts and if this leads to determinations in their standards it would suck. Especially since many of these workers are the ones trumps demeaned and insulted.
Manmademan
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I'd like to see more polls by reputable pollsters saying the same thing before I'm comfortable declaring that, but so far it seems that way.
GOP has to be shitting themselves.
Doominated
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Ben Carson = Doctor = Saving lives = honest person
Hillary = Lawyer = Ruining lives = Liar
That's how the easily fear mongered see it anyway.
RustyNails
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Anyone know why the pepes on r/The_Donald use "centipedes" to refer to their supporters? Sean Hannity is a "Hannitypede"
I dont know.
I dont know.
It comes from this Knife Party song which was used in a bunch of Can't Stump the Trump videos originally I believe.
hipsterpants
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I really liked this NYT article about Democrats moving to the cities.
As a native Missourian I totally felt this a few years ago. I was 100% determined to move out to one of the coasts and escape the shit-ness that is a large majority of this state. But instead I've come to appreciate St. Louis much more, despite all its problems. It helps that I'm currently in a small college town (that actually isn't that bad either), so when I come back for break or whatever I get to see all the cool things about being from that city from a different perspective. And as a result my vote is going to be a big deal, helping to get a Dem in both Senate seats and the Governorship, and perhaps even work to turn MO blue, though it's very unlikely.
As a native Missourian I totally felt this a few years ago. I was 100% determined to move out to one of the coasts and escape the shit-ness that is a large majority of this state. But instead I've come to appreciate St. Louis much more, despite all its problems. It helps that I'm currently in a small college town (that actually isn't that bad either), so when I come back for break or whatever I get to see all the cool things about being from that city from a different perspective. And as a result my vote is going to be a big deal, helping to get a Dem in both Senate seats and the Governorship, and perhaps even work to turn MO blue, though it's very unlikely.
3 polls since mid month are in the 3-4 point range. The spread is what makes it a toss up, not just that poll. It's officially a toss-up.
And yes, I bet they are. Feels good man.
Fuck yeah. Despite all of the hoosiers (inside joke just for us!) there are a lot of good people here and great things about STL.
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My bet is if Trump thinks he's not going to win, he'll tell his voters to NOT go vote. He'll tell them to deligitimize Hillary's win through absentee, so that once she is in office people will be able to say she was elected by the smallest number of Americans ever. Then he has four years to attack her and the Republicans, and hope for a come back in 2020, as a third party. At that point he wouldn't try to win the presidency, he'd just run to destroy the Republicans, a battle he could possibly win.
RustyNails
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Hannity could. Please someone call him!
Spoiled Milk
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Wilsongt is the biggest killjoy ever! Can't even put on a smile and let other users enjoy the hope! Sad!
Awwwww yeah buddy!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...elle-obama-to-hold-first-joint-rally-thursday
Queen + queen
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...elle-obama-to-hold-first-joint-rally-thursday
Queen + queen
D: i'm realistic and cynical
I love this.
I'd love it if Hillary just did daily joint appearances in twofer states (those with competitive Presidential+Senate races) for the rest of the campaign.
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