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PoliGAF 2016 |OT13| For Queen and Country

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Bowdz

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Maybe someone with more knowledge on the healthcare exchanges can help me, but isn't the 25% average increase heavily skewed by Arizona (113% rate hike), Alabama (70% rate hike), Oklahoma (70% rate hike), and Alaska? States like Indiana are seeing a decrease in rates and most other states are seeing single digit rises. What's causing the massive disparity in price hikes by state and are they not skewing the average?
 
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tanod

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metalslimer said:
Cnn really wants the obamacare rate increase to be the big story lol.
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*works in HR at a small business for 10 years*

We just got our renewal at work (small group). Our rates are going up 15%.

It's bad but in the past, the lowest increase we ever got was 10%. The largest increase was greater >20%. I think people in general don't really know what's going on with their own plans at work since they're subsidized, let alone the ACA, which is also subsidized.

Most companies aren't transparent in this regard.
 
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Black Mamba

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RustyNails said:
Does the hospital have Fox News playing in lobby?
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Lol not in Los Angeles.

Actually home improvement was on. No idea what channel.

Just got word and mom is fine. She's still gonna be pissed there's no food network at the hospital but there is tnt so dad and I get nba opening night!
 
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Voysa Reezun

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jtb said:
Any fellow Seattle/Washington residents that had a really hard time deciding whether or not to vote for the carbon tax? (I-732; imposes a tax on carbon + a 1% tax cut in state sales tax)

I ended up voting against the initiative, on advice of some of my environmental activist friends that I canvas with... was a tough decision though.
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I voted against it because every source that I trust explained that it was a bad law...even though I wanted that cut in state sales tax.
 
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Wolfgunblood Garopa

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Trump talking about the ducks lol.

He really loves these rallies. I bet he's going to keep doing them after the election. It's the same thing as he did while doing The Apprentice, he'd just riff for a few hours while the people working on the show just stood around listening to him as if that's what they had to do.
 
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Zukkoyaki

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Roland_Gunner said:
B- rating with 2.4 point Dem bias per 538
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538 pollster ratings haven't been worth shit this cycle.

They have Emerson at a B and Gravis at a B- even though they're landline only pollsters. Landline is widely regarded as complete garbage in the polling/data industry. They also have YouGov as a Dem-leaning pollster which is absurd considering they're online only and only poll in English.

Democracy Corps is a quality polling outlet. Technically they were the most accurate pollster in 2012 (per final results).
 
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Dierce

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Could the rise of premiums also be because of huge increases in RX prices? I think the government should come down hard on pharmaceuticals and this will have a reverberating effect on the entire industry.

Could the president use the Treaty Clause to open up the market and allow importing medicine from foreign markets? It would only require a majority senate approval.
 
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Black Mamba

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Early voting results in FLORIDA so far

• DEM: 658,177
- 525,076 by mail
- 133,041 in-person

• GOP: 665,092
- 556,058 mail
- 109,034 person
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Uh that's rally bad for the GOP.

Florida not top 3 closest state. Standing by it.
 
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Atlagev

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Wolfgunblood Garopa said:
Trump talking about the ducks lol.
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See, this is why I'm not particularly worried. He has plenty of legitimate stuff to attack Hillary/Obama on, like the recent Obamacare stuff, but because he has the attention span of a gnat, he going to ramble on about shit like this that no one cares about and brings no one new to his side.
 
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SciencePilot

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NYCmetsfan said:
tell that to women and minorities, their opposition to affirmative action plans, economic libertarianism, anti-labor stances

Because they like weed and gay people doesn't really mean they're the most progressive, especially economically.

I think LA county/East Bay is actually the most progressive parts of the state
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I don't necessarily think it's fair to claim silicon valley is really anti-minority or anti-women. They're really pro immigration for example and definitely stand up for Asians (both southeast and Indian). It doesn't seem like they push for black/Hispanic issues that much, but at the same time I don't think they're nearly as hostile as much of the country. Similarly with women they're generally supportive of abortion and things like maternity leave, and while they may not be the strongest advocates for women, again I think they are a lot less hostile than most of the country. Yes silicon valley may not be the most progressive area in California, but relative to the rest of the country it is definitely one of our progressive strongholds.

For sure silicon valley is really corporate though, and this does hurt its progressive image.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Carpe Carnim said:
Retained all so as not to give Scott any more chances to fuckup the Judiciary. Except for Canady who was on Trump's SCOTUS shortlist.
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Black Mamba said:
Uh that's rally bad for the GOP.

Florida not top 3 closest state. Standing by it.
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I've never really followed my local county too much but there isn't a single Early Voting precinct that had more republicans than democrats in my county.

Albeit we are a democratic county and its one day that's still pretty crazy IMO
 
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Black Mamba

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Cvo2EI2WIAAGKRU


lol
 
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Black Mamba

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NYCmetsfan said:
I've never really followed my local county too much but there isn't a single Early Voting precinct that had more republicans than democrats in my county.

Albeit we are a democratic county and its one day that's still pretty crazy IMO
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Its the mail in vote that matters here. Dems always lead in person ev but even in 2012 GOP crushed mail in vote. Not so right now.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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SciencePilot said:
I don't necessarily think it's fair to claim silicon valley is really anti-minority or anti-women. They're really pro immigration for example and definitely stand up for Asians (both southeast and Indian). It doesn't seem like they push for black/Hispanic issues that much, but at the same time I don't think they're nearly as hostile as much of the country. Similarly with women they're generally supportive of abortion and things like maternity leave, and while they may not be the strongest advocates for women, again I think they are a lot less hostile than most of the country. Yes silicon valley may not be the most progressive area in California, but relative to the rest of the country it is definitely one of our progressive strongholds.

For sure silicon valley is really corporate though, and this does hurt its progressive image.
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I don't mean to say they're anti-minority or women, just really lacking in making that a part of their progressive agenda (and I'd think the workers are much different than the corporate suits and tech ceo founder dude bros).

They're more blue than not but I can see them trending more progressive against a move overt social justice/ economic justice party since they would start to feel the brunt of that. With increased taxes and regulations.
 
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Teggy

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Boke1879 said:
Hell is he talking about lol
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Exactly. This is not a new quote from him. He means that the US will be a fiery hellscape after Hillary is elected so there will be no more elections.


Is it true that Kaine did a rally in FL and only 30 people showed up?


Also, why is it good news that there have been more GOP votes in FL so far?
 
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Man God

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Single player is not the right idea for a country the size of America. Price fixing is the way to do it. Every medical device, prescription, service has a price maximum of x dollars, determined by a board of experts (that would themselves be overseen as to not be in cahoots with the sector) and if you can deliver the product under the cost then great.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Black Mamba said:
Its the mail in vote that matters here. Dems always lead in person ev but even in 2012 GOP crushed mail in vote. Not so right now.
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Dems are winning there too. I just remember seeing at least a site or too being more republicans but it seems that lots of republicans weren't excited to get out (though trump was right down the road so they may have been there, who knows)
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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Honestly, if Trump suddenly became the best speaker in the world and had tons of real policy proposals and points, the media still wouldn't cover it. The last 2 weeks are basically over.
 
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Boke1879

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Teggy said:
Exactly. This is not a new quote from him. He means that the US will be a fiery hellscape after Hillary is elected so there will be no more elections.


Is it true that Kaine did a rally in FL and only 30 people showed up?


Also, why is it good news that there have been more GOP votes in FL so far?
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GOP from what I hear always crush early voting in Florida. The fact that we are neck and neck with them is a good sign. Bodes well for us ok Election Day voting.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Teggy said:
Exactly. This is not a new quote from him. He means that the US will be a fiery hellscape after Hillary is elected so there will be no more elections.


Is it true that Kaine did a rally in FL and only 30 people showed up?


Also, why is it good news that there have been more GOP votes in FL so far?
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GOP's advantage in early voting has been significantly larger in the past, even in elections Democrats ended up winning. The fact that Democrats are running near-even with them is encouraging.

If Clinton gets 53 in the head-to-head and Trump gets 38 in the four-way then that's where my heart thinks both will land.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Man God said:
Single player is not the right idea for a country the size of America. Price fixing is the way to do it. Every medical device, prescription, service has a price maximum of x dollars, determined by a board of experts (that would themselves be overseen as to not be in cahoots with the sector) and if you can deliver the product under the cost then great.
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Watch PBS's Sick around the World.

There's a lot to like from other areas. We do have single payer in the US in the form of medicare so its not that it cant work but it puts everything in the hand of politicians who want to make issues out of abortion, womens health care, ethuenisa (I'm personally torn but rather people decide), stem cell, etc.

I'm with you in that price is the problem with the US. But a larger role of public funds can set that. But I think something like a much much more heavily regulated Obamacare with more price controls is the way we'll go (a swiss system that might eventually turn into a german style system since they are the least restricted on health care access which IMO is the issue americans have with reform). Just sucks the middle men have so much lobbying power.

This is the german system
Germany, like Japan, uses a social insurance model. In fact, Germany is the birthplace of social insurance, which dates back to Chancellor Otto von Bismarck. But unlike the Japanese, who get insurance from work or are assigned to a community fund, Germans are free to buy their insurance from one of more than 200 private, nonprofit "sickness funds." As in Japan, the poor receive public assistance to pay their premiums.
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How does it work? Sickness funds are nonprofit and cannot deny coverage based on preexisting conditions; they compete with each other for members, and fund managers are paid based on the size of their enrollments. Like Japan, Germany is a single-payment system, but instead of the government negotiating the prices, the sickness funds bargain with doctors as a group. G[/B]ermans can go straight to a specialist without first seeing a gatekeeper doctor, but they may pay a higher co-pay if they do.
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What are the concerns? The single-payment system leaves some German doctors feeling underpaid. A family doctor in Germany makes about two-thirds as much as he or she would in America. (Then again, German doctors pay much less for malpractice insurance, and many attend medical school for free.) Germany also lets the richest 10 percent opt out of the sickness funds in favor of U.S.-style for-profit insurance. These patients are generally seen more quickly by doctors, because the for-profit insurers pay doctors more than the sickness funds.
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