http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-putin-229904
When people insult Putin its a huge problem, but when Trump insults basically every American citizen it isnt a big deal.
Amazing.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-putin-229904
When people insult Putin its a huge problem, but when Trump insults basically every American citizen it isnt a big deal.
Amazing.
Manmademan
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Don't know anything about the guy other than his cousin is a shit comedian- but nuking the filibuster is the smartest move that guy could do.
if democrats had gotten rid of it in obama's first term before the 2010 losses, Obamacare would be in a lot better shape than it is. They gained nothing from hanging onto it except for neutered bills.
It's great that she does enough prep to feel comfortable, but is anybody under the illusion that this debate will test even the tiniest fraction of the facts she has stored in her head. It's just going to be nonstop questions about emails and Trump's mouth diarrhea.
People insult our comrades, and it's terrible!
A Link to the Past
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You know, speaking logically, the likelihood that Hillary is the devil is lower than the likelihood that Alex Jones is. The devil would naturally assume a form that appealed most to conservatives and Christians - isn't that his goal, to corrupt God's followers? What at all does Hillary do in that respect? Judging by the fact that evangelicals hate Hillary so much that they prefer a sexual predator over her, the devil would be a pretty mediocre antagonist in Christianity, wouldn't they? If that's the best they can muster up, I really don't care if I go to Hell, because the devil really doesn't seem like he'd be very effective at making my life unending torment. Meanwhile, Alex Jones is saying that she smells like sulfur, at which point you have to ask whether the "he who smelt it, dealt it" thing applies?
whyamihere
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I think that's why she does 7 hours of debate prep.
Manmademan
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I doubt the debate prep revolves around memorizing facts, and more about how to respond to insane attacks on her character while still maintaining composure.
It's going to be a disaster.
It's a big risk unless you can guarantee that the GOP will never win majorities in Congress and the Presidency at the same time again. They could do a lot of damage in two years, let alone four.
Honestly what evidence do we have that it'll be a constant barrage of emails? Of course the'll be brought up. Wallace is still a moderator that has topics to follow and guide the conversation.
Hahaha get fucked McCain. "we want the the American people to have a say on Supreme Court, let the next president decide."
"JK if it's not our team we will continue to obstruct."
How long do they think they can carry that on? 4 years? 8 years?
You know what go for it, Obama packed the lower courts Hillary will continue and ties will come our way. Then punish them in midterms
"JK if it's not our team we will continue to obstruct."
How long do they think they can carry that on? 4 years? 8 years?
You know what go for it, Obama packed the lower courts Hillary will continue and ties will come our way. Then punish them in midterms
lol jk democrats don't vote in midterms
RustyNails
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Melania blinking like a mofo while answering the "do you believe your husband's accusers" question. Her body language is pretty telling here.
edit - She blinks and shakes her head whenever she's clearly lying. "my husband is a very good man" *blinking and head shaking intensifies*
No one ever fires their nukes because they assume everyone else will then fire theirs. Both sides are scared of the other, which is why the filibuster works as well as it does.
edit - She blinks and shakes her head whenever she's clearly lying. "my husband is a very good man" *blinking and head shaking intensifies*
No one ever fires their nukes because they assume everyone else will then fire theirs. Both sides are scared of the other, which is why the filibuster works as well as it does.
Basileus777
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The GOP will nuke it themselves when that comes to pass. They considered doing it last time they had Congress and the Presidency and they were far less extreme then.
It'll be a disaster that doesn't change anything.
Hopefully at least 6 of those 7 hours were dedicated to practicing one liners & zingers, like "If Trump Tower got any taller it would violate Russian airspace" and "Say it ain't quid pro quo, Joe!"
Just finished reading this analysis from NBC about the Podesta emails, it's pretty good and straightforward. Basically, it argues that these leaks really don't serve the public interest, and I can already see how Hillary will approach the issue in the debate, if it comes up.
I don't think Wallace will bring it up, because they haven't generated actual news besides the Goldman Speeches (and that was already covered in the second debate) but Trump will definitely blurt out something about them.
Anyway, Hillary will emphasize the vast majority of the emails contain VERY private information, like baby photos from Podesta friends and family, social security numbers, addresses, telephone numbers, even resumés, well wishes, recipes and the sort. She can easily chastise Trump and Wikileaks for going too far.
On the "quidproquogate", it's bullshit. NBC had another good article about it, and it explains how there wasn't actually a conversation about quid pro quo between the State Department and the DOJ, but the phrase was mentioned only once between two FBI agents who felt that the discussions with Kennedy might've been a quid pro quo offer, but nothing ever came of it and it was a misunderstanding.
But Hillary has to flat out say it not true and move on. Explaining it might be difficult without sounding defensive. There's literally nothing there.
I don't think Wallace will bring it up, because they haven't generated actual news besides the Goldman Speeches (and that was already covered in the second debate) but Trump will definitely blurt out something about them.
Anyway, Hillary will emphasize the vast majority of the emails contain VERY private information, like baby photos from Podesta friends and family, social security numbers, addresses, telephone numbers, even resumés, well wishes, recipes and the sort. She can easily chastise Trump and Wikileaks for going too far.
On the "quidproquogate", it's bullshit. NBC had another good article about it, and it explains how there wasn't actually a conversation about quid pro quo between the State Department and the DOJ, but the phrase was mentioned only once between two FBI agents who felt that the discussions with Kennedy might've been a quid pro quo offer, but nothing ever came of it and it was a misunderstanding.
But Hillary has to flat out say it not true and move on. Explaining it might be difficult without sounding defensive. There's literally nothing there.
IggyChooChoo
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Huh? The GOP doesn't care if there's precedent or not. The second they get unified control, the filibuster is dead, regardless of whatever Chuck Schumer ever did. Us not pulling the trigger will not protect us at all.
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Just saw this, might have been posted before, but the question and answer part is genius. Usually I'm not too much of a fan of BLR, because it's just nonsense, but in this context it works perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYHu0AG8GI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYHu0AG8GI
Basileus777
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The nuke is going to get fired. And it doesn't work "well," it's a poorly designed practice that deadlocks the government in a very unproductive way. Requiring supermajorities to get any work done does not work in an age of polarization.
How America feels.
This is why, if Dems are smart, the real race begins on Nov 9th. Let the smearing begin.
And Obama seems READY.
Debt and entitlements -- Why do you feel so entitled to secrecy you need a private server
Immigration -- Emailed risotto recipes are un-American
Economy -- This is the Trump diarrhea part
Supreme Court -- Quid pro quo sounds Latin, right? So does the law. Lock her up (quod erat demonstrandum)
Foreign hot spots -- emails about Benghazi, Syrian drones, and Ferguson
Fitness to be President -- Obviously emails, goes to judgment. Speaking of which, judgment against the defendant, lock her up
Modbot strikes again: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1295593
I honestly thought it said at Rally's(like the burger chain) and I was all "wha?".
I honestly thought it said at Rally's(like the burger chain) and I was all "wha?".
A Human Becoming
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That's not referring to turnout, though. It could remain as a 54/46 split in favor of women like the last two elections.The theory that women would be "activated" for this election appears to be holding water.
The ultimate sleeper cell.The theory that women would be "activated" for this election appears to be holding water.
It's a chance for cameras to be on him and he can directly attack Hillary
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He knows it is probably his last chance to change minds.
ShadowSwordmaster
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He wants the attention.
Oh, I know. He can't resist. He will show up and walk into every trap she sets. Again.
Carpe Carnim
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The point of having a deterrent is it gives both sides cover to make deals. Even in a time of hyper-partisan, hyper-polarized Congress you still need partners to work deals, or even lay the ground-work for future deals. Once you fire the nukes, you can no longer use your partners as a proxy for your argument to the other side because the 'moderates' are now neutered, and everyone is on total-war footing (I hate war metaphors for politics, but they work).
newshinycd
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Hillary Clinton, in the second debate, looked legitimately pissed. I hadn't seen her that frustrated since the "Artful smearing" debate with Bernie. She would then on on to rip him a new asshole in subsequent debates.
Maybe I'm setting myself up for disappointment. But I really feel like Hillary is going to be on the attack on Wednesday.
7 hours of debate prep for the final debate? Shit's going down...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think it is probably more of a, "Trump could do anything, so we need to be prepared for everything" deal.
adamsappel
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That was great.
They're not talking about getting rid of the actual filibuster, though? Isn't it just nuking the 60 votes needed for cloture? I though anyone could still filibuster, but they had to actually stand up and speak.
Carpe Carnim
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The theory that women would be "activated" for this election appears to be holding water.
Am I reading the chart wrong? '72 looks to be similar in male/female split. The biggest divergence looks like '96-'98
What am I screwing up here?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Just as idle speculation, if Trump calls Hillary the c-word during the debate or if the n-word tape is real, which Senators would unendorse Trump?
eBay Huckster
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re: filibuster talk (which i guess should be "60 votes for cloture" talk)
either the dems nuke it in january when they actually have the senate and possibly the house, or the republicans nuke it the second they get a trifecta. either way it's getting nuked sooner or later, so you might as well shoot first on the off chance that YOU ACTUALLY GET THINGS DONE
either the dems nuke it in january when they actually have the senate and possibly the house, or the republicans nuke it the second they get a trifecta. either way it's getting nuked sooner or later, so you might as well shoot first on the off chance that YOU ACTUALLY GET THINGS DONE
Look where his right hand is...
I have the same feeling. She couldn't be an attack dog in the second debate because of the townhall format. She focused on the people in the crowd asking the questions and trying to connect with them. Here it's just her and Trump.
I need to pre-game for the debates as well.
whyamihere
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Man, listening to 1600. I remembered why I unfollowed Dave Wasserman.
Agreed.
Strategically, having a liberal SCOTUS will be a permanent firewall against any crazy future GOP government. Optically, the GOP has proven so intransigent and obstructionist that the only people who'll bemoan the loss of the filibuster are the hill Republicans and the media sphere. Everyone else will be to busy enjoying a functioning government to care.
If the Dems take the House, they need to go balls to wall out of the gate. They'll have two years to pass legislation that they'll run on in 2018/2020 before the GOP comes roaring back. Make it worth the effort.
Also, how fucking worthless would it be to have a wave election that carried the House and Senate only to have nothing get done because the GOP filibusters every major piece of legislation because we didn't win a super majority? It'd be idiotic.
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