What a sicko.
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What a sicko.
She definitely held back because of the town hall format. Imagine that oaf huffing and puffing and stalking you around the stage... but gotta appear Presidential and be above it all. I couldn't do it.
Also, his mouth reminded me of Beeker from The Muppets so I couldn't see anything else after I made the connection.
Is he talking about Pennsylvania
please tell me he's not talking about Pennsylvania
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't think most things could be filibustered expect for Supreme Court appointments and amnesty.
They'll surely nuke it for Supreme Court appointments since they already did that for the lower courts.
I mean, most big progressive things (expanded child credit, expanded EITC, carbon taxation, Obamacare stuff, higher taxes on the rich) could be done through reconciliation.
They'll surely nuke it for Supreme Court appointments since they already did that for the lower courts.
I mean, most big progressive things (expanded child credit, expanded EITC, carbon taxation, Obamacare stuff, higher taxes on the rich) could be done through reconciliation.
CNN Polls, Hillary Emails, How great Melania was last night.
Yes. Let's look at all the precedent they haven't broken, like appointing SCOTUS nominees, shutting down government, and coming dangerously close to not raising the debt ceiling.
Anyone that thinks the GOP will appreciate long term consequences over fucking up federal government as bad as they can, is a fool.
Dems would be wise to nix it and fix as much as they can. You can run on success and its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.
I don't think so. Trump's own psychology telegraphed his strategy. He get applause for his zingers last debate. He's going to double down on that.
Dominican Power
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What did she say about him?
I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment here. She's most likely just going to continue to do what she did in the last debate. I don't see a real need to change up her strategy here.
I actually thought he was contemplating hitting her at one point - like he was weighing the pros and cons when he was looming behind her. I expect that would go over like gang busters to the craziest of his base.
I have a secret hope that Hillary reaches about 51-52% in the popular vote because that's what Obama got in 2012 (not taking into consideration the margin of victory). It'd signal to me that despite all else, Democrats are in a consistently strong place electorally when it comes to the presidency, not to mention reaching over 330 EVs for three elections in a row.
I truly don't understand the point of having a live audience at the debates.
Fragamemnon
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Trump reverted to his stump speech in debate 2 because he wouldn't prepare and that way at least had said the lines enough to put the words together into coherent thoughts. It doesn't help him win the debate, but it's better than what he rolled out in the first one.
Maybe he'll start knocking shit over too.
CoffeeJanitor
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Dems had a chance to nuke the filibuster years ago, and didn't do anything.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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They already did nuke it for almost all court appointments.
That "Hi S-Scott" line got me good.
No one ever said Trump supporters were the smartest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxFlapAN1m0#t=2.392041
Manmademan
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Dems were still under the illusion the GOP would negotiate years ago. That's no longer true.
Since obama's first term, the GOP has gone balls to the wall on denying supreme court appointments, shutting down the government, and obstructing literally anything democrats oppose just because they can.
There is no benefit to hanging on to the filibuster or even trying to use the threat of nuking it as a bargaining chip, because the modern GOP doesn't believe in bargaining or compromise.
this is why we got "executive order" obama as late as we did, because its finally become obvious that the GOP doesn't believe democrats can or should govern anything.
newshinycd
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And I just vomited a little in my mouth.
This is straight up the type of shit my uncle did in public around young girls. Every one assumed it was him being awkward. It all made sense when my cousin finally came out that he'd been molesting her for years.
Trump really is a disgusting vile piece of shit human.
Once again, it's really unclear to me why you would imagine the GOP wouldn't immediately nuke the filibuster if this happened.
Fenderputty
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FTFY
I share everyone's enthusiasm and hope it's nuked, I just haven't been talked into everyone's optimism yet.
There is no good reason other than "that's how it's always been" and "these big donors paid big money to get to be here".
Audiences are dumb and should be removed.
This is key in my calculation on this topic.
If it's inevitable that the nuclear option is going to be deployed, I want the Dems to be the ones pulling the trigger, giving us the Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years. The Senate is likely to go heavily red in 2018, and we don't know if Hillary will luck-up with a weak opponent in 2020 (never mind what the economy will be doing by then).
This is our window for change. Grab the court for the next generation, and trust that it will keep the GOP's excesses in-check if they get too egregious with the policies they enact. In the meantime, over those 2-3 decades, the demographic time bomb will continue to tick.. forcing the GOP to either adapt or die.
With that said - I do wonder if Schumer will try a "talking filibusters only" rule at first.
Box of Kittens
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The title is referencing the overall margin, not the gender gap. Women went for Nixon by an over 20-point margin and haven't favored one candidate by such a margin since.
RastaMentality
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People really act like if the Rs win the election, they aren't going to absolutely ram everything they've dreamed of through like hell. they don't give a shit about bipartisanship. the filibuster would get nuked the day they get in office.
Carpe Carnim
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What we're saying here is that the GOP cannot EVER be reformed. Once we cross that bridge, blown it to Hell, and then moon the other side, we forstall all possible debate and leave center-right with no other options but to go along with the most intransigent voices. Basically, you've invited Civil War and neutered any voice that could possibly speak against it.
We can re-work the filibuster and the screwed up cloture system. Even bat guano Bible-tossing Conservatives have argued for relatively thoughtful tweaks.
Breaking the institution without having the muscle in the states to offer Constitutional amendments to fix them, only compounds the idiocy the GOP has exhibited. The answer to radical assholes isn't to become a louder radical asshole, even if it's sooooo fucking cathartic
Manmademan
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yes, that's exactly what we're saying. That party has screwed itself into a situation where it's been hijacked by racists, evangelicals, and tea party lunatics driving it farther to the right every year. Try to backtrack and moderates get "primaried" for not being conservative enough.
moderate republicans are scared to fucking death of this, which is why all of them are in lockstep on completely insane things like the debt ceiling.
The GOP isn't salvageable. It has no interest in governance, only dismantling what democrats have built and preventing them from building anything else.
Dude what the fuck man!
OrangeGrayBlue
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Most of them. All of them?
JHoNNy1OoO
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Nuke the filibuster. GOP will do it first chance they get. GOP hasn't been playing nice for a very long time.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Trump is a great counter puncher. Like prime Anderson Silva and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
sunshine and gasoline
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Trump just can't control himself.
tedrotheredro
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Next the girl's gonna tell us he whispered "I'll be dating you in 10 years".
Poor girl. That is so incredibly fucked up
How anyone on the side of the Democrats can be in favor of keeping the filibuster because of fear of Republican reprisal is beyond me.
This is the party that has refused to even hold a hearing, which is historic, for the president's SCOTUS nominee for 216 days, one of the longest vacancies in modern history. This is the party that has held up more judicial nominations than any other period purely for political reasons. This is the party that has left diplomatic posts vacant for years. This is the party that made the debt ceiling a political negotiating tool and has threatened to do so again. This is the party that has shut down the government twice because they didn't get what they wanted. This is the party that has bemoaned reconciliation and then turned around and used it.
They do not care about political convention, tradition, or even good governance. They are playing to win and yet we still have people ignoring the fact that the GOP will nuke the filibuster the first day they take all three branches of government. They are not interested in negotiating. That much should be abundantly clear to anyone who has been paying attention for the past 8 years. Lets remember that we lost the Cap and Trade bill, the Public option in the ACA, and countless compromises purely because of the 60 vote cloture threshold.
It's crazy considering the virtual filibuster and 60 vote cloture rules don't really have much historical precedent. They emerged in 1975 through filibuster reform. The filibuster doesn't appear in the Constitution and for the majority of the history of our country, we have survived with a commonsense filibuster rule in place, not this 60 vote nonsense.
It needs to be nuked by either party and frankly, it should be the Democrats. We need to play offense instead of assuming the GOP is still a rational party.
This is the party that has refused to even hold a hearing, which is historic, for the president's SCOTUS nominee for 216 days, one of the longest vacancies in modern history. This is the party that has held up more judicial nominations than any other period purely for political reasons. This is the party that has left diplomatic posts vacant for years. This is the party that made the debt ceiling a political negotiating tool and has threatened to do so again. This is the party that has shut down the government twice because they didn't get what they wanted. This is the party that has bemoaned reconciliation and then turned around and used it.
They do not care about political convention, tradition, or even good governance. They are playing to win and yet we still have people ignoring the fact that the GOP will nuke the filibuster the first day they take all three branches of government. They are not interested in negotiating. That much should be abundantly clear to anyone who has been paying attention for the past 8 years. Lets remember that we lost the Cap and Trade bill, the Public option in the ACA, and countless compromises purely because of the 60 vote cloture threshold.
It's crazy considering the virtual filibuster and 60 vote cloture rules don't really have much historical precedent. They emerged in 1975 through filibuster reform. The filibuster doesn't appear in the Constitution and for the majority of the history of our country, we have survived with a commonsense filibuster rule in place, not this 60 vote nonsense.
It needs to be nuked by either party and frankly, it should be the Democrats. We need to play offense instead of assuming the GOP is still a rational party.
Agreed. The Democrats are operating as if the Republicans are still attempting to run the country in the people's best interest.
Nuke the filibuster, get as much rammed through as possible, and get reelected in 2020. Let the Republicans reform if they want to win an election, not keep power by depressing votes.
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RCP is Hillary by 7
On this date in 20@2, it was Obama by 0.4.
On this date in 20@2, it was Obama by 0.4.
But Morning Joe told me it's a dead-heat.
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