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[thepotatoman]

You guys keep saying "record minority turnout" but other places (admittedly it's like, CNN and Politico) are saying that she has depressed turnout among African Americans and women compared to Obama in 2012.

I assume that's in NC and OH, where there was a concerted voter suppression effort.

 

[tedtropy]

Hope:

Only AP has called FL.

CNN, MSNBC haven't

Florida ain't happening.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

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[smurfx]

i wish warren would have ran now. even if she lost i would have preferred to go down with my candidate of choice rather than the second choice.

 

[Trouble]

Benchmark Politics keeping the hope alive.

Benchmark Politics
‏@benchmarkpol

Currently a 50k vote difference in Wisconsin. Madison is good to make up 100k, depending on other counties.

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 5m5 minutes ago

Only a 30k vote difference in Michigan. Detroit alone can make up about 130k difference.

God I fucking hope so.

 

[DrForester]

People wanting to blame HRC or any one person are in serious denial tonight. The country is sick, and as tonight proves... sicker than it has been since perhaps the Civil War.

Is she solely to blame? No.


Does she deserve a good chunk of the blame? yes.

 

[The Technomancer]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

Benchmark Politics keeping the hope alive.

Benchmark Politics
‏@benchmarkpol

Currently a 50k vote difference in Wisconsin. Madison is good to make up 100k, depending on other counties.

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 5m5 minutes ago

Only a 30k vote difference in Michigan. Detroit alone can make up about 130k difference.

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[Oblivion]

Feingold losing is probably the other biggest blow of the night. We might have lost the senate, sure, but I really fucking hate Ron Johnson and would have loved to see his ass get kicked.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Hope:

Only AP has called FL.

CNN, MSNBC haven't

Networks are gunshy about calling Florida early. If AP called it, it's gone.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

We can still come back in Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania looks good. We get Nevada and we're right there.

 

[Black Mamba]

Prop 64 in California passed. Smoke up for the next 4 years.

It's the only way to make it through.



Good god was the Clinton camp so far off in Wisconsin.

 

[~Kinggi~]

this is it folks. Im already having the text conversations with my sister about what this means.
you fucking pieces of shit

 

[Chumley]

It

isn't

over

 

[Miles X]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

Still hope in MI
Still hope in WI

NH isn't over.

Nevada is early days.

Iowa is more likely to go Trump but still a chance.

 

[Totakeke]

How do the "perceived baggage" weakness of Hillary Clinton makes sense when it's Donald Trump on the other side. How much baggage does that guy have that never mattered?

 

[Officerrob]

Prop 64 in California passed. Smoke up for the next 4 years.

Get high Cali, you are going to need it

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Mike Pence will be our VP too. I mean, fuck, what is wrong with this country.

 

[Bowdz]

Whelp, my worldview is in tatters right now.
Data science = flawed
Current understanding the political campaigns = wrong
Polling science = flawed
Views of the country = wrong

I need to do some soul searching tonight. I'm so damn guilty of not seeing the reality of the world around me.

 

[Goodstyle]

If we win Pen., Mich., and Wis., can Hillary win?

 

[Fox318]

Crazy night

 

[And_Gignac]

Crucify? Seriously? Again, no one has ever gone after Sanders at all. If you want to bash Clinton fine but accept that no prominent politician in America has received less vetting than Bernie Sanders.

So? Trump was vetted and destroyed left and right and see, he is winning. Bernie would be the same. People don't give a fuck. They wanted an outsider regardless of whatever.

 

[sazzy]

This isn't about their pocketbooks. It's about white identity politics.

Even white identity politics come down to MONEY.

I believe that racists, at their most basic instincts, are most concerned that people who are a different race from them are cutting into money/resources, which could've gone to people of their own race.

White nationalists would much rather have a rich/diverse America than a poor/white America. At least that's what I believe.

 

[Crosseyes]

LOL at people thinking Bernie would have won.

You really think with the votes going to Trump that an even more liberal candidate would've won?

All of the institutions meant to safeguard this kind of candidate winning failed.

This is a nightmare. Burn it all down.

Yeah. I really think so.

Rural white America could have been sold on another new deal to try and really make drastic changes. Instead they were given the option of the wanna be dictator that has minorities and foreign entities to blame galore.

If we can get out of the next 4 years intact we need a radical leftist. The country is never going to be united in the near future. Conflict is coming and the ones in power will win.

 

[Crocodile]

You guys keep saying "record minority turnout" but other places (admittedly it's like, CNN and Politico) are saying that she has depressed turnout among African Americans and women compared to Obama in 2012.

Turnout is up pretty much everywhere among every demographic. It's just rural whites blindsided people by being so insanely up/pro-Trump.

 

[Caja 117]

To this point Im just hoping he doesnt do all of the stuff he was saying to pander his base, Im scared and I dont think I could sleep tonight.

 

[mo60]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

The votes remaining in WIS and MI are probably enough for her to take both states.

 

[Angry Fork]

If Trump wins, I am starting to think he wins no matter what.

Republicans came home as they always would.

Bigots were enthralled to vote for someone and they hadn't voted in years.

What Dem candidate changes that. Why would Bernie? Racism brought them out from nowhere. Nothing else.

There was a lot more at play here than racism, I'm sorry dude. Portraying all trump voters as just racist neo-nazi's makes it easier to blame them but it's not that easy. The dems must change, not into xenophobia-lite, but into an economically populist party.

The things lots of people hate Clinton for (corruption, hypocrisy, dishonesty, wall street shit, etc.) are still the driving forces of the party and they must be purged.

 

[mjp2417]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

If Hillary Clinton wins the states she was supposed to win she still wins. She has only lost true swing-states so far. The worrying thing is that Trump has consistently over performed everywhere so far, including in those remaining states she needs to hold.

 

[Zyae]

Shes about to overtake Michigan.

 

[teruterubozu]

I don't think Hilary is completely to blame, but it is also silly to think that her baggage (whether it was deserved or not) did not do her harm.

Well a large portion goes to the media for Trump-24/7-ratings!-coverage. None of the sounded them alarm bells, but propped him up like a legit candidate.

 

[Blader]

As distressing all of this is, and to say nothing of what a Trump presidency + republican congress will mean, it's completely mind boggling to me how wrong everyone was. Both campaigns, virtually every pollster... An absolutely enormous historic collapse of conventional electoral analysis and data.

 

[thepotatoman]

So, can anyone give me a some reasons for cautious optimism in bullet-point format right now?

- Trump isn't a true believer conservative, and may be suprisingly good in some aspects we don't even know about since he never tells the truth about anything

- Maybe there's some merit in protectionism for the poor of our country

- If things go incredibly wrong, liberals could create their socialist dream 4 or 8 years from now with huge victories


I think that's it.

 

[Velcro Fly]

It isn't over guys.

The numbers are still out there for her to win.

 

[streetsahead123]

Clinton headquarters is soulcrushing right now

 

[jbug617]

If we win Pen., Mich., and Wis., can Hillary win?

need Nevada.

 

[Sibylus]

It's headed in the direction of your original post though

It is. After 8 years the House no longer functions, the Supreme Court only sometimes functions, voting infrastructure is barely functioning, and if Trump wins how many more core pillars of American democracy are going to come offline? Either the GOP obstructs Trump or they let him have his fascist wonderland.

We've arrived at last to the biggest American crisis since the country fucking fought itself.

 

[Hazmat]

I'm an emotional cripple, and I rely on TV quotes to express my emotions. From 30 Rock:

"I haven't seen so many riled-up dirtbags since CVS started putting the cold medicine behind the counter."

 

[hydragonwarrior]

I don't think Hilary is completely to blame, but it is also silly to think that her baggage (whether it was deserved or not) did not do her harm.

The e-mails were probably THE best thing that could ever happen for the GOP. It was complex enough so that those who were intelligent enough could easily see it wasn't a big deal, but those who weren't could see it as a sign of distrust and dishonesty. And those who were intelligent enough failed to see that bad optics with those who only have a limited amount of knowledge of the whole e-mail thing is... well, really fucking bad to them.

 

[Slacker]

If we win Pen., Mich., and Wis., can Hillary win?

Yes.

 

[nature boy]

Still hope in MI
Still hope in WI

NH isn't over.

Nevada is early days.

Iowa is more likely to go Trump but still a chance.

+ Arizona is not a lost cause either

 

[sphagnum]

It is not "blaming" HRC to say she was a bad candidate. It's reality! The fact that the electorate is filled with morons who are to blame doesn't change the fact the she couldn't appeal to those morons.

Now we don't want to appeal to them on the basis of racism and hate. But there is one area that we CAN make inroads and start to sway them, and that's being antiestablishment economically, no matter how much you hate it.

If the left flank of the party has to make compromises for the greater good, why shouldn't the centrist wing?

 

[MetalGearZed]

269/269 could actually happen
this is the twilight zone foreal

 

[Syder]

Does anybody else just feel numb?

Not angry. Not bitter. Not raging. Just numb.

I don't think the realization of what happened tonight has hit me yet.

This is exactly how I felt after Brexit. I still haven't woken up from that nightmare. Good luck, America.

 

[BrokenIcarus]

WI + MI + NV + Maine would mean a win.

Not undoable, I'd say. But god I underestimated the morons in the US. Should've known.

 

[Debirudog]

i'm sorry but i like Clinton to the point that i don't think she's corrupt or yadayadayada. Though perhaps, it's time for Democrats to move to a new image of sorts...

 

[Miles X]

If we win Pen., Mich., and Wis., can Hillary win?

Yes.

 

[ColdPizza]

If the markets crash, isn't it going to have a runaway bulldozer effect which reaches far into these states which are voting for Donald?

Might be a flash crash. If he truly wants to deregulate then the markets might actually move up based on that.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Shes about to overtake Michigan.

Trump only needs to win one of Nevada, Wisconsin or Michigan

 

[The Technomancer]

My CEO and I are now frantically texting back and forth. She's a Vietnamese immigrant and we're both fucking terrified

 

[Goro Majima]

Benchmark Politics keeping the hope alive.

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‏@benchmarkpol

Currently a 50k vote difference in Wisconsin. Madison is good to make up 100k, depending on other counties.

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 5m5 minutes ago

Only a 30k vote difference in Michigan. Detroit alone can make up about 130k difference.

Finally a sane post. Been saying this for a while when those blue counties were still out there.