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Because you used the word miracle instead of Nightmare.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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Right, but my point is there are many Republicans who don't like Trump, and yet they still went out and voted for him. Conservative women supported him way more than we anticipated. I dont they they were excited to vote for a pussy grabber, but they did it anyway.
Democrats need that level of voter investment to be competitive. You can't rely on a fickle voter electorate because you can't predict how they will respond.
Shit I need to sleep.
I did extra life this weekend, got a root canal yesterday, and then woke up early to go vote. I'm basically running on empty but here I am watching people I grew up around in Ohio joking on facebook about how they should go buy a house in Hollywood now, it'll probably be cheap once all the liberal elites flee the country.
I did extra life this weekend, got a root canal yesterday, and then woke up early to go vote. I'm basically running on empty but here I am watching people I grew up around in Ohio joking on facebook about how they should go buy a house in Hollywood now, it'll probably be cheap once all the liberal elites flee the country.
DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, white, rural voter turnout was way the fuck up, and we goddamn know why that is.
Beer Monkey
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Hamilton County, home of Cincinnati Ohio, chose Clinton by 10 points.
Stop saying you want to give us to Kentucky; we don't like them other than Lexington which is kind of hot - we'd date her, and we really aren't that comfortable with Ohio as a whole, either.
All of Ohio should be like Cincinnati and you should cherish us, Ohio.
Stop saying you want to give us to Kentucky; we don't like them other than Lexington which is kind of hot - we'd date her, and we really aren't that comfortable with Ohio as a whole, either.
All of Ohio should be like Cincinnati and you should cherish us, Ohio.
I'm off tomorrow. Thankfully. Next 24 hours will be rough.
A miracle just means it was improbable. The journey and the culmination thereof are just insane, considering how often people told us 'yup, he's done.' Then he came back the next day and ruined another politician. It was like 'what? huh? How? You were finished!?' over and over again.
DrForester
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That's not the argument being made. Angry Fork wants to claim voters concerned with flip-flopping were taken in by Trump's working class rhetoric while ignoring his own flagrant history of flip-flopping.
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I'm sure there's a dystopian novel or film about it out there.
Miracle isn't used to describe horrible things
The more you think you know, the less you truly understand.
In one dreary afternoon, what I've known to be true in American politics has been turned on its head. The smashing of political norms, the expectations that come with being a public servant, the mechanics of campaign operations - all upended by an outsider with zero political experience.
It will be fascinating to read the autopsy and where democratic politics moves from here.
While I have abhorred what Trump has stood for and how he has run his campaign, he is President-elect now and has the awesome power that comes with the office.
He will soon be leader of the free world, and I hope he does a good job.
In one dreary afternoon, what I've known to be true in American politics has been turned on its head. The smashing of political norms, the expectations that come with being a public servant, the mechanics of campaign operations - all upended by an outsider with zero political experience.
It will be fascinating to read the autopsy and where democratic politics moves from here.
While I have abhorred what Trump has stood for and how he has run his campaign, he is President-elect now and has the awesome power that comes with the office.
He will soon be leader of the free world, and I hope he does a good job.
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Why are people already flocking towards a Wall Street candidate after what just happened?
benjipwns
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John Podesta said it's too close to call, votes are still being counted, so they won't be speaking any further until tomorrow, go home.
Michael Moore was dead right.
Bill Kristol was dead wrong
Remember, Remember the 8th of November
A huge disappointment.
To me, this election conclusively demonstrates:
1. Polls don't matter.
2. Data and analytics don't matter.
3. Ground game/Get-Out-The-Vote doesn't matter.
4. TV ads, in fact pretty much all ads, don't matter.
5. The debates don't matter.
6. Endorsements don't matter.
7. Celebrities don't matter.
8. Policy doesn't matter.
9. Fact checkers don't matter.
10. Scandals don't matter.
11. Gaffes don't matter.
To me, this election conclusively demonstrates:
1. Polls don't matter.
2. Data and analytics don't matter.
3. Ground game/Get-Out-The-Vote doesn't matter.
4. TV ads, in fact pretty much all ads, don't matter.
5. The debates don't matter.
6. Endorsements don't matter.
7. Celebrities don't matter.
8. Policy doesn't matter.
9. Fact checkers don't matter.
10. Scandals don't matter.
11. Gaffes don't matter.
JetBlackPanda
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I blame John Stewart.
This is a joke right? Approval ratings are typically polls of all Americans, not at all comparable to a modeled guess of what kind of electorate is going to turn out.
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Even Glenn Beck was woke
eBay Huckster
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this is the second presidential election that my candidate has lost
i am significantly more terrified now than i was after 2004
i am significantly more terrified now than i was after 2004
thehypocrite
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Give them time. He will see the light.
JetBlackPanda
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Your a democrat yah? I got some bad news
Alot of us did our part but we not going to live this down ever.
Candidates matter above literally all of that. Trump stepped in a lot of shit, but Clinton brought 20 years of shit (Real or made up, mostly made up) with her and it showed with a lack of enthusiasm from Democrats.
All of that stuff matters. Just attach it to a candidate without her negatives and with a lot more charisma, and we're probably looking at a different race.
No, you have primary voters to blame. Like I said in my post just above this, you cannot predict the reactions of a fickle and constantly evolving mass of the electorate. Hopeful idealism brought to an apathetic or opposing conclusion is the fault. Idealism is nothing without a sense of the reality surrounding it.
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No. I think this was more fundamental than just poor turnout models, I think there was a systemic error in who was being contacted.
We can't get that level of voter investment because we refuse to endorse legalized violence and suppression towards a group of Americans.
DirtyManos
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Just......dead inside. Only consolation is that I'm in Cali. Things will get worse, but there's a floor here.
I can't imagine what it's gonna be like to be a minority in a red state.
I can't imagine what it's gonna be like to be a minority in a red state.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Hispanic vote margins, courtesy of 538
I really cannot believe that breakdown in Florida.
Angry Fork
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I mean it's true we have our own widespread racist shit but I believe this stuff is created out of material conditions and it's possible to reverse, or at least sedate. People care less about blaming X group for their problems if they don't have that many problems.
As for the other guys romney and co. still looked like boring slimey dudes who would sell anyone out. To trump voters he's an honest guy who's going to get rid of all the assholes who sold them out.
With Bernie, I'm inclined to think the smarter people in the GOP basically felt this way about him (that his populist message was more dangerous to them than Hillary's weird better together thing):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...e-sanders-clinton_us_56bbafb3e4b0c3c5504ff6c7
He's right about how the average person viewed candidates this year and why the socialist moniker wouldn't have been a big deal compared to what he was saying.
After all Trump has said much worse things than Bernie can ever say about socialism and they still support Trump. Surely the millions of people who still supported Trump aren't all pro-sexual assault, pro-muslim registration, etc.? It just doesn't make sense imo and is a very cynical unrealistic view of the population.
benjipwns
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my man
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Trump brought far more shit, but none of it mattered.
So I don't get this argument.
Shit, a President-Elect will be in court TWICE before January.
Who knows what stuff will be filed now that he is President.
thehypocrite
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They won't bring legs to a magikarp out of water.
Wow. So the latino vote actually hurt him signficantly in AZ and TX.
Manmademan
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I actually feel better about the election now that I'm aware just how bad democratic turnout was.
The Trump strategy isn't something that will work the same way twice, and there isn't an overwhelming coalition of racist white voters.
Hopefully democrats learn their lesson that no coalition can be taken for granted, and we don't run anyone nearly as bad as Hillary a second time.
Say what you want about her policy skills or work ethic, she was awful at giving democrats a reasonn to vote FOR her and not just against Trump.
The Trump strategy isn't something that will work the same way twice, and there isn't an overwhelming coalition of racist white voters.
Hopefully democrats learn their lesson that no coalition can be taken for granted, and we don't run anyone nearly as bad as Hillary a second time.
Say what you want about her policy skills or work ethic, she was awful at giving democrats a reasonn to vote FOR her and not just against Trump.
lmao
Black Mamba
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People literally chose someone they didn't think was qualified for President over someone they admitted they believed was qualified for President.
I...what can I say?
I...what can I say?
Considering Bush won reelection in large part thanks to homophobia...
Manmademan
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That's actually where they had it overall before the election, so not surprising.
Looking at the numbers coming out of AZ, GA and even TX the republicans probably can't afford to use the trump strategy twice.
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