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[VendettaRed07]

Remember when many of you were cheering Trump on during the primaries?

I hate myself for it.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Uh right now the national vote difference is <1% and multiple states have margins <2.5%.

Yeah, the electoral margin is high but thats because of the winner take all aspect of our system. The actual vote margins in many states are within 3 points. Even AZ, GA and Texas are surprisingly close. The other swing states are all within 2 points, with many of them within 1 point.

 

[Piecake]

Because Wall Street isn't evil. They are an important part of the economy. I won't vote for a DEM candidate like Bernie that goes too far with the Wall Street hate.

And it doesn't really even matter if a candidate has ties to Wall St. I mean, Obama did, and it didn't hurt him. Fuck. Trump is a 'billionaire' New York real estate developer who was bankrolled by his daddy and his daddy's political connections, and that didn't hurt him. It helped him.

What matters is how they are perceived, how much they are liked and trusted, and whether or not they can inspire people.

 

[benjipwns]

I...I don't want to think about this but I have to

oh no, you're all not allowed to bail out now just because the devil has turned round on you and the laws are flat

 

[Tubie]

It's really hard to believe that half this country values guns and lower taxes more than the rights and livelihood of fellow brown/black citizens.

 

[pigeon]

I disagree. Some of Trump's voters are white nationalists. Some of Trump's voters are people who voted for Obama, and I really want to stress that, as per Nate Cohn.

I already posted about that. Those are counties Obama won, not necessarily Obama voters. I believe they are voters that didn't turn out in 2008 because John McCain wasn't racist enough for them.

Edit: I'll expand on this a little.

Nate Cohn also talked about white people voting as a minority bloc this year -- on social issues rather than economic ones.

People vote as a racial bloc because they develop a racial consciousness.

I believe that there are many previous nonvoters, and Obama voters, who were radicalized by Trump's explicit white nationalist campaign and developed a white nationalist racial consciousness. It's been fifty years since we had a candidate like Trump. Plenty of white people have never been properly exposed to a radicalizing element before this year.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

I hate myself for it.

I knew the racist fuck would win the Rep nom.

I just never in my life would have believed this level of racism and sexism exists in this country, in 2016.

The media will try to sugarcoat it with platitudes like "Well the Dems just didn't speak to white voters like they use too!" yeah... because we stopped catering to racist shitheels.

 

[Angry Fork]

I do actually like you so I'll try one more time with reduced aggression.

You genuinely don't seem to understand the degree to which white nationalism was the animating factor behind Trump's campaign.

Saying "no, it wasn't white nationalism, it was Wall Street" is, as I've been saying this whole year, legitimizing white nationalism and suggesting there are acceptable reasons to vote for a candidate that advocates violence against mnorities.

This has happened a lot in this thread tonight from people -- white male people -- who want to take defeat laps now that the candidate that beat their preferred candidate has been defeated. I understand that. But I consider it a moral failing in you and in them -- literally the exact same moral failing that causes people to vote for Donald Trump. A person who believes that some issues are potentially more important or worthy of consideration than the lives of people of color is literally not somebody I can safely coexist with.

Anybody who voted for Donald Trump because they don't like Wall Street is not somebody I can trust to care about my life or the life of my daughter. I do not wish to iterate on our campaign strategy to find a way to temporarily convince them to vote for a candidate who might care about our lives. This republic is not a safe place for me if it is filled with people like them, and like you. I want white socialists who will be allies with me, not allies with them.

Bernie never tolerated racism and everyone who supported him doesn't either, we're lefty socialists why would we our entire point of existence is to remove all that. But a lot of trump types still liked him, it's possible to appeal to white working class people while not making excuses for shitty opinions.

I know you know the point is to convince trump people of what the real enemy is and join with other working people of different races to achieve common goals. But how does it make sense to do this by calling them stupid deplorables who don't know what's good for them? Or people who say their problems don't really exist and they should've bootstrapped themselves to school if their manufacturing job went away (which I've seen on twitter a lot from supposed liberals).

 

[Diablos]

There's a lot more votes in PA to be counted. Not in terms of flipping the vote but final vote tally.

Hillary outperformed Obama in Philly. And Pittsburgh (Trump right now is under Romney there too).

Her urban numbers turned out fine. The rural parts destroyed her everywhere in this nation. These people voted in unprecedented numbers.

You have to ask why? I don't see why these people came out to vote against Hillary when they didn't vote against Obama.

PA is the biggest surprise to me. I did not think rural voters would ever be able to dwarf Philly, Eastern PA and Pittsburgh.

 

[daedalius]

There's a lot more votes in PA to be counted. Not in terms of flipping the vote but final vote tally.

Hillary outperformed Obama in Philly. And Pittsburgh (Trump right now is under Romney there too).

Her urban numbers turned out fine. The rural parts destroyed her everywhere in this nation. These people voted in unprecedented numbers.

You have to ask why? I don't see why these people came out to vote against Hillary when they didn't vote against Obama.

If anything was going to energize the white racist, sexist, xenophobic rural vote, you'd think it would have been Obama.

I'm guessing it was a repudiation of Obama, and Hillary; both of them together was strong enough to get them all out to vote... What a nightmare.

This is literally a nightmare. How am I supposed to sleep?

And Ghaleon, I thankfully have years before I have to explain it to my daughter, but I'll have to explain it to my son very soon... And I can't even imagine doing that.

 

[Black Mamba]

My girlfriend told me tonight that tonight's results is questioning whether she ever wants to have kids, anymore. Which would devastate me if true.

I'm hoping this attitude is more a quick reaction and not something real and lasting...but it goes to show you the despair.

My friends and I finished a conversation on whatsapp (half are actually abroad right now) wondering if our democracy will prevail. And in a serious way. And I couldn't make a case it would...just, "well, i just can't say for sure it will."

So depressing.

Today broke Mamba. I feel gutted.

 

[War Peaceman]

It's really hard to believe that half this country values guns and lower taxes more than the rights and livelihood of fellow brown/black citizens.

It is not hard to believe. Guns, low taxes and white people being worth more than non whites is classic usa

 

[kevin1025]

The good news, we're totally getting those tax returns now!


....

hahahaha....

 

[watershed]

As a teacher, I am seriously wondering if education in America has been a failure.

 

[Suikoguy]

I already posted about that. Those are counties Obama won, not necessarily Obama voters. I believe they are voters that didn't turn out in 2008 because John McCain wasn't racist enough for them.

One other thing to note, we tend to get bogged down in the racist aspect, but I think what really got people out was Trump being Anti-PC. Not being able to call people their choice degretatory words without criticism was really grating on people.
So when the media called Trump out on his words, people were like "That's what I'm fucking talking about!"

 

[shinra-bansho]

Uh right now the national vote difference is <1% and multiple states have margins <2.5%.

Trump ended up with multiple paths to victory. Instead of one thread the needle route though.

 

[thehypocrite]

And it doesn't really even matter if a candidate has ties to Wall St. I mean, Obama did, and it didn't hurt him. Fuck. Trump is a 'billionaire' New York real estate developer who was bankrolled by his daddy and his daddy's political connections, and that didn't hurt him. It helped him.

What matters is how they are perceived, how much they are liked and trusted, and whether or not they can inspire people.

The world has changed, the expectations of voters changed. That's why change should always be the slogan of aspiring candidates. It's never old fashioned in a world of imperfect policies.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I just can't believe how fucked we are as a country now due to the idiocy of half of it. Just off the top of my head:

-no minimum wage increase
-doesn't believe in climate change
-fuck immigration
-give corporations more power
-fuck gay rights
-nra becomes even more powerful
-fuck net neutrality
-fuck blm
-supreme court possibly republican for 40+ more years.
-wrecked reputation in rest of world

I'm sure there are more.

 

[DirtyManos]

Really hope we can pull through this. Really feeling hard to believe we can have this many chances to not fuck up before we've done irreparable damage to this country, to this world.

Also, to Adam, if you're still out there maybe? I guess you won't be here anymore, not gonna ask why. I never talked to you in this forum, but your posts were always fun to read and your enthusiasm electric. Stay strong man, don't let the fire burn out.

 

[callhitman]

What can democrats do to slow down things the next couple years

 

[Black Mamba]

After everything he's done, after all of the horrible, evil shit he's done, we rewarded him. After all the hate and ignorance, we elected him. I just don't know what country I'm living in right now. I don't envy you having to explain all of this.

We also rewarded the party that gleefully broke the rule of gov't by handing them the same fucking keys to the gov't.

Even if I look at these people and assume they're not racist/bigoted, I can't help but think they're gullible morons.

Trump is a fucking con man and how do so many people not know it!?!?

 

[Already Torn]

My girlfriend told me tonight that tonight's results is questioning whether she ever wants to have kids, anymore. Which would devastate me if true.

I'm hoping this attitude is more a quick reaction and not something real and lasting...but it goes to show you the despair.

My friends and I finished a conversation on whatsapp (half are actually abroad right now) wondering if our democracy will prevail. And in a serious way. And I couldn't make a case it would...just, "well, i just can't say for sure it will."

So depressing.

Today broke Mamba. I feel gutted.

I was thinking the same thing as your girlfriend. Maybe adoption or something instead.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I think what I may end up remembering most from this awful, awful night is the feeling of dread that began to form in my stomach as it became clear Florida was not going blue after all.

A feeling of dread that just got worse and worse as things went on.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Trump ended up with multiple paths to victory. Instead of one thread the needle route though.

Yep.

Unfortunately there were millions just sitting back and waiting for that one candidate to tell them "None of it is your fault, blames the Mexicans and Muslims."

 

[Piecake]

I remember quite a few posts here saying Trump could never possibly win. That the demographics were 100% against him.. So what happened?

Trump found those missing white nationalist racist voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that Republicans have never been able to capture until now.

And the Dems didn't show up in MN, WI, and MI (though it looks like Clinton will still win MN)

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I already posted about that. Those are counties Obama won, not necessarily Obama voters. I believe they are voters that didn't turn out in 2008 because John McCain wasn't racist enough for them.

Trump did better with Latinos than Romney. He did better with black voters than Romney. He did better with women than Romney. Those are all confirmed at this point. So why do you seem doubtful that absolutely all Trump's voters were hidden racists? Why didn't they reveal themselves for any other of the numerous deeply racist candidates that have run before?

I'm not sure this is a great time to have this conversation. There'll be autopsies of greater detail soon. But I think that you are fundamentally failing to understand the situation, in the same way as much of the rest of the Democratic Party, and that's why they've lost. And if you want protection for minorities, they need to win.

 

[sc0la]

Wait, you thought I was white? Nobody's that woke

I literally lol'd at this. only levity of the night. :/

Also crushing my dreams of endeavoring to be a woke honky.

 

[Good Job Bob]

What can democrats do to slow down got the next couple years

Nothing lol.

 

[Tubie]

Remember when many of you were cheering Trump on during the primaries?

I will never forgive myself for this now that you remind me of it.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Trump found those missing white nationalist racist voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, and Florida that Republicans have never been able to capture until now.

And the Dems didn't show up in MN, WI, and MI (though it looks like Clinton will still win MN)

It turns out there were enough forgotten white people to win

ahhahaha

my goodnes.s

 

[VRMN]

I was thinking the same thing as your girlfriend. Maybe adoption or something instead.

Mostly because climate change will go unstressed, which will fuck the planet, but same here.

 

[Debirudog]

I mean, Obama is a good person who's married, devoted husband and father and wasn't interested in partisan politics and yet white people still hate him with a passion.

I just feel a shit ton of white people hate anyone that isn't male, straight or the same color of their skin.

Fuck, I feel worried for Cartoon Soldier and Diablos. I feel destroyed but...

 

[LotusHD]

Would you have felt this way had he lost as expected?

Yes I would actually. Win or lose, doesn't change the fact that they supported a racist idiot. But it'd be a lot easier for it to one day sort of fade into the back of my mind. Now with Trump being on my TV screen for who knows how long, among various other Trump-related reminders we'll have to continue to deal with, I'll definitely have quite the RBF for awhile. In no uncertain terms, I loathe Trump supporters.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I know you know the point is to convince trump people of what the real enemy is and join with other working people of different races.

This. Is. Not. Happening.

They are block voting against the advancement of minorities. They are not going to suddenly block vote with you.

 

[kirblar]

Bernie never tolerated racism and everyone who supported him doesn't either, we're lefty socialists why would we our entire point of existence is to remove all that. But a lot of trump types still liked him, it's possible to appeal to white working class people while not making excuses for shitty opinions.

I know you know the point is to convince trump people of what the real enemy is and join with other working people of different races to achieve common goals. But how does it make sense to do this by calling them stupid deplorables who don't know what's good for them? Or people who say their problems don't really exist and they should've bootstrapped themselves to school if their manufacturing job went away (which I've seen on twitter a lot from supposed liberals).

Bernie's "It's about class, not race" stuff is exactly what many racist people want to hear.

 

[Toxi]

The next Scandinavia and the World is gonna be interesting.

 

[aaaaa0]

Who would have thought the USC/LA Times poll would have been the only accurate one. :-\

 

[Already Torn]

Mostly because climate change will go unstressed, which will fuck the planet, but same here.

Mhmm. Treating minorities like shit is something we've endured in the past, but this was the worlds last shot for stopping climate change. It's too late.

 

[aspiegamer]

We elected Mr. "grab 'em by the pussy"

That's what I can't get past. I just can't.

How can even one parent in the country justify this to their children? This is an honest question, as someone without offspring.

I remember quite a few posts here saying Trump could never possibly win. That the demographics were 100% against him.. So what happened?

White people in swing states showed up, while minorities in those same states stayed home. The vote margins in the demographics were brutal (ie Latinos 80-20 Clinton). People just didn't show up.

The media better watch each and every second of Donald's and his aide's and his Presidential appointments like a HAWK for the 4 years.

Hell no. They'll be too scared about being sued for libel. After how badly they've failed here for the sake of HORSERACE! they can all collapse. I don't even care. A few bright spots will remain in oldschool print outlets, but the cable networks and clickbait internet sites can die in a fire.

 

[metalslimer]

Yeah I cheered Trump through the primaries. My fwith in America will never be repaired.

 

[Phased]

I think what I may end up remembering most from this awful, awful night is the feeling of dread that began to form in my stomach as it became clear Florida was not going blue after all.

A feeling of dread that just got worse and worse as things went on.

Yeah that was pretty rough.

I was 110% convinced this was going to be an early night with states called super quick. When Florida started shifting it was like one long drawn out conclusion it felt like.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

My girlfriend told me tonight that tonight's results is questioning whether she ever wants to have kids, anymore. Which would devastate me if true.

I'm hoping this attitude is more a quick reaction and not something real and lasting...but it goes to show you the despair.

My friends and I finished a conversation on whatsapp (half are actually abroad right now) wondering if our democracy will prevail. And in a serious way. And I couldn't make a case it would...just, "well, i just can't say for sure it will."

So depressing.

Today broke Mamba. I feel gutted.

Haven't said I haven't thought about the same

 

[BoboBrazil]

I totally regret cheering on Trump to win the republican nomination thinking it would be an easier democratic win. Can we have Jeb Bush back?

 

[Omiee]

I live in holland and i could not sleep when i read the results and polls 3 at night local time, after that i tried to sleep but my heart kept pounding and i kept checking my phone, i could not believe that this is a reality. The world will feel the effects of this pretty soon when he becomes president. my heart goes to all the minorities and lbgt community and muslims like me in the states, i hope you are safe and your rights are not taken away.

 

[BSsBrolly]

The environment is the real victim here. Fuck.

 

[Toxi]

Mhmm. Treating minorities like shit is something we've endured in the past, but this was the worlds last shot for stopping climate change. It's too late.

Canada's looking pretty great.

 

[Zackat]

I think what I may end up remembering most from this awful, awful night is the feeling of dread that began to form in my stomach as it became clear Florida was not going blue after all.

A feeling of dread that just got worse and worse as things went on.

Yeah I was preaching calm. But I knew it was over right then. I did not feel well, but God damn it just wasn't supposed to happen this way. The polls lied for so long. Nate was the only one to see the trend.

 

[Sirpopopop]

I'm sorry, the establishment Democrats lost to Donald Trump. That's pretty damning.

We have no bench. We have no one coming in the horizon to save us.

Let the Bernie bro wing of the party have its shot in 2020. If it works, well then... if it doesn't, we can go back to the old playbook. Either way, we'll be more unified as a result.

 

[Already Torn]

Canada's looking pretty great.

I mean I guess once Toronto starts looking like Miami, yeah

 

[Diablos]

I also can't wrap my head around voters saying they think Hillary is more qualified than Trump but voted for him anyway. If I'm reading that right. Like, what.