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[Tubie]

At best Trump is a blank check for the republican congress and that alone is terrifying.

Yea, as long as they approve the 20 billion+ he needs for the wall and whatever budget increase he needs for his deportation force, he will sign off on anything they want.

 

[aaaaa0]

That partisan non-response bias leading to systemic polling error was a real thing.

:-\

 

[Zackat]

I can't sleep. I think I'm gonna need to finally get those anti-depressants now.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I'm probably going to keep it simple: White people, and white men in particular, are mostly (but not entirely) very racist and sexist. So they rejected a well qualified woman and elected an avidly racist white man who appealed to them.

We'll have lots of conversations that stem from it. But that's the foundation. Just the cold hard reality of the situation.

Man. Zootopia called this shit back in spring. Fear always works.

zootopida is happy movie

positive

i love that movie onys een it once. but I lvoe it. shows hope that I can never realistically reach. this country hates my kind. I wouldn't wish this feeling on white people. white people rule the word. I may look white but I'll never pass for it. hate this. parents immigrant, they think I can do anything. they're wrong. welcome to the world. sor sorry

 

[Suikoguy]

That partisan non-response bias leading to systemic polling error was a real thing.

:-\

how do you know?

 

[Intheflorsh]

I wonder how post-trump politics is going to work. Are populist candidates are going to be the norm from here on out?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Scotland says any unhappy Americans are welcome

 

[titiklabingapat]

That partisan non-response bias leading to systemic polling error was a real thing.

:-\

Y2Kev posted it so much it became reality

 

[RastaMentality]

I'd die laughing if Trump flipped, and came out as liberal on a couple of issues. So unlikely as to be impossible, but he's surely got to realise he's creating as big a rift as North v South, pre-Civil War?

doesn't matter how he comes out because paul ryan is gonna hamfist everything he wants through.

 

[Psychoward]

I haven't talked to my best friend from high school in over a year.

First communication he makes with me is laughing at my post about the fear of a Donald Trump presidency as a bi citizen.

Not shockingly, he's an uneducated straight white male.

How the fuck was I ever friends with him

 

[mo60]

I wonder how post-trump politics is going to work. Are populist candidates are going to be the norm from here on out?

Too early to determine that.

 

[sc0la]

Real talk is adam okay?

 

[perfectchaos007]

So, I mean, Hillary won the popular vote.

She may win the popular vote in the end, but I don't think that's a lock yet either. Trump still leads the popular vote by 450,000 and 94% of precincts have reported. A lot of California's precincts haven't responded yet but not all of California is blue

 

[Already Torn]

I wonder how post-trump politics is going to work. Are populist candidates are going to be the norm from here on out?

Maybe it's like video games where Trump is Modern Warfare and we keep getting populist candates until Battlefield 1 comes out.

 

[mo60]

Real talk is adam okay?

I hope he is okay.

 

[Piecake]

Real talk: Do the Democrats have anyone for 2020?

It looks like the party is done.

That really doesn't matter. Some person will pop up in the next 4 years that we will nominate and then get to deeply know through a long long election.

I personally think the idea of a short-bench narrative is just a bunch of nonsense. I mean, going by the whole anti-establishment theme of the election and the high unfavorables for Clinton because of all her history isn't it a good thing that a more or less unknown will likely get the nom in 2020?

 

[Suikoguy]

Real talk is adam okay?

Looks like at least a few users asked for their accounts to be deleted.

 

[Sirpopopop]

As technically a Bernie Bro, if Dems go into 2020 thinking that this election had anything to do with the politics of social class and not with the politics of racial identity then we are completely fucked. The idea that we lost this election because we didn't nominate someone who was sufficiently socialist against Donald fucking Trump as opposed to someone who could stem the tide of American racism is cosmically stupid.

Bernie Sanders is over. He isn't running again. Republicans would have had a field day labeling him as a communist that supported Castro and Russia anyway. Also he kept going on about higher taxes. No chance he would have won.

Simply put, if we run another establishment Democrat, they are going to lose. A key part of that coalition (minority voters) is going to be disenfranchised. The GOTV is going to be a lot weaker in 2020 than it was in 2016 running the same old playbook..

So... there is a need to try another idea. Failure would be running with the same idea, expecting a different result.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

In the general case, though, as I said, I am unconvinced that there is a peaceful solution. I don't acknowledge the right of white supremacists to rule over me -- the Declaration of Independence tells me not to. They clearly don't acknowledge the right of people who believe in equality to rule over them -- they've been calling Democratic presidencies illegitimate since the Civil Rights Act. It's not accidental!

Why do you assume there is a way for me to live in a peaceful democracy alongside people who literally take it as a tenet that our peaceful democracy is a conspiracy created by the Jews to stop them from killing me as nature intended?

We are two countries -- Hamilton's America and Jefferson's America; Lincoln's America and Davis's America. Maybe we should stop trying to force them into one republic.

What does this even mean? Like, reading between the lines it sounds like you're advocating violent secession, but I don't think that can possibly be your answer?

 

[sazzy]

You're implying Trump will actually do shit in Detroit

Donald isn't going to be working on actual governing. He'll be signing things, trying to exploit the office to get more influence, more money.

Mike Pence will be the one actually fulfilling the 'governing' part of the Presidency.

 

[Angry Fork]

Real talk: Do the Democrats have anyone for 2020?

It looks like the party is done.

Warren after re-branding the party and making a conscious effort to let everyone know it has rejected Clintonism, unless someone younger with the same ideas appears somehow.

I feel like Bill DeBlasio is interested in the presidency based on how he's being mayor but he's also doing annoying try-to-please-all-classes shit here as well so idk about him.

You guys might be right about racism being too strong a block right now to bypass, but I don't know if it's fair to write all trump voters off completely as forever gone when the dem candidate was so bad in a populist election.

 

[Retromelon]

Looks like at least a few users asked for their accounts to be deleted.

That's a god damn shame, rip to the fallen homies

 

[kess]

Like I said earlier -- the fucking number Democratic chairman of my county's was disconnected. The website didnt even have a phone number. Local parties need a lot of help and much higher standards..

 

[Debirudog]

I hope Adam is okay too.

But...ugh...I really fear for LGBT rights.

 

[Syder]

pujked

drunk as dumbo

poligfagf

I was so hopeful

hopeful mroe than ever beforee. my god. darkest timeline. sorry for drunkr ants poligaf. I'm sorry for you lgbt folk. sorry for women. sorry for minorities like my self. maybe won't be that bad. but that type of compalancye is what ruins liberral party. can't. have to fight.

Go to bed, buddy. Stewing in this depression isn't good for you. Brexit hurt me deeply but you've just got to try to see any positives and stay the course. When they go low...

 

[Pixieking]

So, I mean, Hillary won the popular vote. I'll take the L, I was wrong -- the electoral college needs to be dismantled immediately. If the elections are going to be urban versus rural it's time to change all the rules so that they don't privilege rural voters -- which were literally set up this was originally to protect white nationalism!

In the general case, though, as I said, I am unconvinced that there is a peaceful solution. I don't acknowledge the right of white supremacists to rule over me -- the Declaration of Independence tells me not to. They clearly don't acknowledge the right of people who believe in equality to rule over them -- they've been calling Democratic presidencies illegitimate since the Civil Rights Act. It's not accidental!

Why do you assume there is a way for me to live in a peaceful democracy alongside people who literally take it as a tenet that our peaceful democracy is a conspiracy created by the Jews to stop them from killing me as nature intended?

We are two countries -- Hamilton's America and Jefferson's America; Lincoln's America and Davis's America. Maybe we should stop trying to force them into one republic.

(Treading carefully here, I am)

This is why I think that things are going to get real violent, real fast. An equivalent of Hitler, being fed anti-Jew/minority propaganda, who in turn spits it back out.

If things go as badly as we all predict, it would be a moral dereliction of duty to not stand-up for those being persecuted, peacefully or not.

doesn't matter how he comes out because paul ryan is gonna hamfist everything he wants through.

I have literally never despaired for the future as much as I do now.

 

[pigeon]

Looks like at least a few users asked for their accounts to be deleted.

I am considering this. The idea of violent people trying to track me down from my angry posts on the internet seems absurd, but at this moment it turns out I don't understand the limits of white nationalism in America.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Who is even in the Bernie Bro camp? Certainly not Warren who sat on the sideline all primary season.

Grijalva and Ellison(the only 2 true believers) are in the House. No one has jumped from the House to President in like 100 years....think it was Grover Cleveland.

I highly doubt Bernie will run again.

Democrats bench is non-existent. I liked what I saw from O'Malley in the primaries...I think he has to be the top contender at the moment but then again he never caught fire with anyone.

I'm willing to bet this country doesn't even make it that far. I expect total chaos over the next 4 years. I would not be shocked if we are all dead. Serious.

 

[rekameohs]

What the heck are the polling aggregates going to do for the future. Even Nate's model was crazy off.

 

[The Technomancer]

I feel like a fucking fool for believing in my country

 

[Intheflorsh]

Bernie's not going to run again at 79. The DNC let that ship sail.

 

[Jooney]

The realisation that GOP obstruction from 2011 is going to pay handsome dividends when Trump takes office - SCOTUS picks plus budget control (watch militancy to fiscal discipline evaporate).

Must be infuriating.

Question is now: how do Senate dems react? Come to the bargaining table or play hardball?

 

[pigeon]

What does this even mean? Like, reading between the lines it sounds like you're advocating violent secession, but I don't think that can possibly be your answer?

Like I said, I genuinely don't think you understand white nationalism or how it animated Donald Trump's campaign.

 

[watershed]

I wonder how post-trump politics is going to work. Are populist candidates are going to be the norm from here on out?

Literally truth has no meaning anymore. Trump peddled lies as facts. Doesn't matter.

 

[The Technomancer]

I am considering this. The idea of violent people trying to track me down from my angry posts on the internet seems absurd, but at this moment it turns out I don't understand the limits of white nationalism in America.

I don't think we interact much, but if this happens I would love some other way to stay in touch. I've always highly valued your thoughts

 

[mo60]

What the heck are the polling aggregates going to do for the future. Even Nate's model was crazy off.

I think only two polls/polling aggregate got anywere near the actual result which is shocking.

 

[pigeon]

I don't think we interact much, but if this happens I would love some other way to stay in touch. I've always highly valued your thoughts

I'll message you tomorrow

 

[davepoobond]

The realisation that GOP obstruction from 2011 is going to pay handsome dividends when Trump takes office - SCOTUS picks plus budget control (watch militancy to fiscal discipline evaporate).

Must be infuriating.

Question is now: how do Senate dems react? Come to the bargaining table or play hardball?

they're going to come to the table, IMO. but republicans would never do the same. progressives are the pushovers in this government.

 

[mjp2417]

How is it delusion?

Trump has galvanized that white rural vote into blaming foreign countries and minorities for their woes. You could steer some of them into blaming the rich and wall street instead of where Trump has taken them.

It might just be primarily racism and xenophobia and perhaps even nothing we can do about that. But we must at least try to give a more peaceful outlet for their woes like the ideals Bernie held.

Because otherwise we're looking at a facist taking power solely on the back of racist and xenophobic ideals.

The cure for which, throughout history, has only ever been conflict and death.

This is a losers' gambit. We need to stop pretending, start to actually stare the situation in the face, and move from there. No more Obama-era hopium and denial of reality. This is America right now. We need to take a good hard look in the mirror. This is important. We should be better than this. We need to be better than this.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Warren after re-branding the party and making a conscious effort to let everyone know it has rejected Clintonism, unless someone younger with the same ideas appears somehow.

LMAO. The electorate just rejected an old liberal white woman. Good luck with that.

 

[Frosty Droid]

This isn't about Sanders so much as it is this delusional fantasy on the center that this is about racism and not economic anxiety.

FTFY.

https://twitter.com/jimtankersley/status/796269402001997824

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Like I said, I genuinely don't think you understand white nationalism or how it animated Donald Trump's campaign.

Well, we'll see. I can't do anything but hope I'm right, the alternative is a dark world indeed. My best wishes for you and your daughter.

 

[mo60]

The realisation that GOP obstruction from 2011 is going to pay handsome dividends when Trump takes office - SCOTUS picks plus budget control (watch militancy to fiscal discipline evaporate).

Must be infuriating.

Question is now: how do Senate dems react? Come to the bargaining table or play hardball?

EIther they.

A) Try to work with senate republicans
and
B) Try to wait until the midterms or next presidential election

 

[Already Torn]

FTFY.

https://twitter.com/jimtankersley/status/796269402001997824

But it's about racism and not economic anxiety.

 

[Argyle]

I am considering this. The idea of violent people trying to track me down from my angry posts on the internet seems absurd, but at this moment it turns out I don't understand the limits of white nationalism in America.

I don't think we interact much, but if this happens I would love some other way to stay in touch. I've always highly valued your thoughts

Same here pigeon, I just lurk here, but you're seriously one of my favorite posters here...

 

[Pixieking]

Who is even in the Bernie Bro camp? Certainly not Warren who sat on the sideline all primary season.

Grijalva and Ellison(the only 2 true believers) are in the House. No one has jumped from the House to President in like 100 years....think it was Grover Cleveland.

I highly doubt Bernie will run again.

Democrats bench is non-existent. I liked what I saw from O'Malley in the primaries...I think he has to be the top contender at the moment but then again he never caught fire with anyone.

I'm willing to bet this country doesn't even make it that far. I expect total chaos over the next 4 years. I would not be shocked if we are all dead. Serious.

Kander performed well in his race (still lost, but eh), and is well-liked. He has an "outsider" status, which is what helped him a lot in MO. He's a vet, wants to protect the 2nd amendment, and seems genuine.

I would bet on him being in at least the 2020 Primary, even if he's not the final nominee.

 

[campfireweekend]

I'll message you tomorrow

I feel the same way. We're both in Bay area, I think, and I really don't want poligaf to be completely purged of some of its best members due to this election.

This a fucking nightmare for me. I'm going to be working in DC this January.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I feel like a fucking fool for believing in my country

climate change. Read it in another thread. snowballs reign supreme. super sad. climate chane. I hate the heat, and it'll continue. I really hate the heat. I believed in my country too. I did too. First voting I've done. I voted because I hoped. Sorry for my black brothers, for my female sisters, for any minorities hurt by this. Sorry freddy mercury, disecrated who you are. I love you fredyd, i really do. here we are.

Go to bed, buddy. Stewing in this depression isn't good for you. Brexit hurt me deeply but you've just got to try to see any positives and stay the course. When they go low...

can't

too m any tears. I relaly can't. I hped, hoped for a dream. nothigns as it seems. Crying too much to sleepl. trumpets must be so happy. my god. my god. myg od. russians praising trump. it's clear, but country doesn't see.

Im sorry technomancer. I'm not usually sjw. but I worry for you guys. I believe in everyone being equally treated. fuck what people think about you. and realistically rights lost. Let everyone be. Repubicalns can't let other people be. it's scary. it really is.

 

[Debirudog]

i think we're honestly fucked beyond relief. I usually am an optimist but white America has broken my spirit.

 

[kess]

I think only two polls/polling aggregate got anywere near the actual result which is shocking.

Literally truth has no meaning anymore. Trump peddled lies as facts. Doesn't matter.

The power of narrative