Black Republican
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looking at iowa final results, wow still cant believe she lost that one atleast
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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It really is bizarre. She energised people (it seems). Everything about her last couple of weeks of campaigning was how she was for hope, equality and togetherness. She pointed out how bad Trump was, how racist, how sexist, how stupid. And she lost young women to him. I mean, that's not something you can take responsibility for, surely? Like, that's a whole bunch of Darwin Awards that need to be handed to those voters, because they're either stupid, or been duped.
exmachina64
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The thing people need to realize is that America is, at best, a center-right country. On the whole, we prefer as little government involvement in our lives as possible and aren't concerned about social policies unless they affect us individually.
Trump is going to win the popular vote in 2020 and I'd be willing to be that Republicans' hold over the House and Senate increase in 2018 and 2020.
The worst part is that the average person, if they disprove, thinks they can vote for the opposite party and it will be fixed within four years.
Here, I'll do it.
I know a lot of the other people of color on this board are pointing out the racism angle, but I'll point out the sexism one. Hillary Clinton ran an excellent campaign and was an awesome candidate, but in order to get anyone to vote for a woman, that woman has to be perfect, unassailable, so pure that no one could even get fake scandals on them. That's the sexism rooted deep in our country. Like other groups dealing with oppression, we work twice as hard for half as much.
Fuck that as much as the white nationalism.
I personally doubt this, it was close. It's not like the Mondale/Ferraro sweep at all.
Abstrusity
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So, a good many of our people last night were given a message: You are second class citizens, and fuck you if you want to fix it.
It might behoove us then, to at least demonstrate openly.
It might behoove us then, to at least demonstrate openly.
Spiritreaver
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I still think she would've been a good president. I think she would've gotten more done than Obama even with all the obstructionists. And again, I preface this as someone who voted for Bernie. I rallied behind Clinton because I knew she could get the job done, but that could just be my naivete.
I truly hope so. I stated it earlier that while I think Elizabeth would be our best bet if what this party needs is a firebrand, I have no idea if the stigma of a female president will haunt the DNC for the foreseeable future and cause her to remain in the senate. I hope not, but heck if I know whats up now.
IggyChooChoo
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Andrew Sullivan has a reaction worth reading.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...sident-trump-and-the-end-of-the-republic.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...sident-trump-and-the-end-of-the-republic.html
Yeah. I think it's going to be hard to separate the racism angle from the sexism angle, in the sense that a lot of voters will have shown signs of both (Florida Panhandle, for instance, and Rust Belt). A lot of men could've held their noses and voted for Barack Obama because he was a guy, but as soon as it became a woman wanting the presidency, it got too much. Disaffected men who think a woman should be in the home. The emails alone would've been nothing if she were a guy, but as it is... "Stupid woman, doesn't know how tech works."
To have done all this, and worked so hard throughout your life, only to be hit by sexism (even if it wasn't the only factor)... To be treated like shit, because, hell, Trump is a dumb-ass, and he got the presidency? I cannot imagine how she must feel. I legit just want to email her or something and apologise for men being idiots. :'(
(Disclosure, I'm a white guy.)
Democracy is a flawed institution, Plato knew this. He cautioned against giving ignorant people the right to vote, correctly prognosticating the likes Trump.
Most Americans can't name the three branches of government or who their senators are...
soundscream
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I really feel bad for women in red states. And I'm saying this as a black man, shits fucked up for me but atleast I have control over my body.
exmachina64
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You're so right.
Ugh. I keep thinking about how shitty it is that he overcame Hillary, but I keep forgetting that this is also a symbolic victory against Obama as well. To be replaced by the king of birthers. It's disgusting. All of it.
I'm so depressed. I was trying to console a friend who might lose her healthcare after she just got good medicine to help with her constant migraines. I feel so depressed about this, while trying to be positive. As a minority living in the south myself this sadly validates my lack of faith in the American electorate. I'm not sure it can be restored. I did what I could living in Tennessee. Man it hurts to see this and it wasn't even hard for him to win. My soul aches. I'm so disappointed we couldn't be better than what I thought. Hopefully the DNC finds where the polling went wrong, and we fix this in soon. The media fucked up with the emails fiasco too. I'm nervous since the congress has everything they want(every branch on their side.)
I have strong hopes for American democracy, in this republic or the next.
I'm not talking about nationally. I'm talking about Califorina. Her victory margin will be closer to 28% there when all votes are counted.
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He means in California specifically. The forecasters do say that Clinton will win the popular vote by 1.1%, though - so the polling error was about 2.4% on national polls, which is... pretty normal, to be honest. That's better than 2012's national error.
The real failing was state polls.
nature boy
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Absolutely amazed, what an epic fail of data from pollsters and forecasters.
Nevertheless, still baffled by the margin in some states. He fucking won PA?
Looks like turnout is down, lowest since 2000.
Sill need to process this.
Nevertheless, still baffled by the margin in some states. He fucking won PA?
Looks like turnout is down, lowest since 2000.
Sill need to process this.
BotoxAgent
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Not been able to sleep at all
sazzy
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If Clinton wins the popular vote, as is expected, then the campaign is to blame.
They should've adjusted their campaign strategy accordingly to make sure that a win in popular vote translated to a win in the electoral college.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I absolutely do think the story coming out of this won't be how Trump energized his base, but rather Hillary's failure to do so. Trump will probably end up around or a little below Romney's number of vote, while Hillary will be 6 million below Obama in 2012. Even if she got "just" 1 million more votes, she would have won.
Democrats are gonna have to do their best to examine and understand where those 6 million people went.
Democrats are gonna have to do their best to examine and understand where those 6 million people went.
sazzy
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Voting for Donald Trump was clearly == picking your nose and sticking the boogers under your seat.
Everyone does it, no one wanted to admit it.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
And what can pollsters do about that? (besides distributing tissues to responders)
We'll survive
sazzy
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Donald is more Democrat than Republican.
If the GOP wasn't able to strongarm him in primaries, they are not going to be able to strongarm him as President.
For example, I HIGHLY doubt that a Donald administration pushes an anti LGBT agenda.
We'll see, though.
nature boy
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Still, with all the controversies, there was an enthusiasm problem. Trump's at 57 million, Romney lost with 60 million! Obama won with 65 million! That's a TON of people who stayed home.
They take the loss
Ahh, got it. If you guys are like me, and live in CA, we are lucky. There was a very progressive wave of voting here. 14 of the 17 referendums that I voted for look like they will pass (2 of those 3 relate to the death penalty repeal). But now that the GOP (whatever that means now) is in control of the House, Senate, White House and eventually the SCOTUS, I fear what would happen if there are challenges on any of these initiatives.
CrimzonSamurai
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Can't sleep, Morning Joe it is then.
Look at his VP, and look at the party platform he just got elected on. It's the most openly anti-LGBT platform they have had.
If half the stuff about Trump we've heard is actually true, I seriously think we might end up with the first impeached president.
Have to agree with NYmag's takeaway as to what needs to happen:
"And, impossible though it may be, we will have to resist partisanship. The only way back to a free society, to a country where no one need fear the presidents wrath or impulses, is to unwind the factionalism that has helped destroy this country. We have to forge a new coalition on right and left to resist fascisms reach and cultic power. In a country which just elected and re-elected a black president whose grace feels now almost painful to recall it is surely possible."
Fascism in the form of Trump will eclipse any partisan difference the Dems and GOP could possibly espouse, because it threatens to overturn the entire board and make them all moot. Vote in midterms and prep for 2020, but don't lose sight of the greater aim: anti-fascism and saving American democracy before it's snuffed out.
"And, impossible though it may be, we will have to resist partisanship. The only way back to a free society, to a country where no one need fear the presidents wrath or impulses, is to unwind the factionalism that has helped destroy this country. We have to forge a new coalition on right and left to resist fascisms reach and cultic power. In a country which just elected and re-elected a black president whose grace feels now almost painful to recall it is surely possible."
Fascism in the form of Trump will eclipse any partisan difference the Dems and GOP could possibly espouse, because it threatens to overturn the entire board and make them all moot. Vote in midterms and prep for 2020, but don't lose sight of the greater aim: anti-fascism and saving American democracy before it's snuffed out.
InsaneZero
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My single biggest fear right now is not that he's going to make a domestic or foreign relations disaster, since that's still something we can recover from.
I'm afraid he's going to look at the climate change cliff and jump full speed off of it, dooming the species as a whole.
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