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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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He told Pence he's handling the domestic and foreign shit. So we will see.
I've thought about that a lot the last week or so, and I still come back to this: If he doesn't come through on some of his promises, does he get the boot in 2020 from the same wave of voters that so thoroughly supported him?
Think about what was on the ballot today, and what Trump ultimately won on:
Muslim Ban
Building a wall
Deporting massive amounts of undocumented immigrants
Tearing up trade deals
Repealing the ACA
Tearing up the Paris deal (accord?) and the Iran deal
Appointing SCOTUS justices who are sympathetic to repealing Roe v Wade
What happens when he does none of those things? Look at the last one especially. At least midway through the evening, he was winning evangelicals at a stronger clip than Mitt Romney and McCain did. That exposes them as a single-issue voting bloc if ever there was one. If he doesn't appoint an anti-abortion SCOTUS justice, they will turn on him in 2020.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't sleep well at all. We've found ourselves with George W Bush 2.0 and I'm filled with dread for what the future holds.
But at the same time, this is a road I've been down in 2000 and the country is still here. "This too shall pass", so to speak. In my experience, politicians I've loved have never changed the country as much as I'd like, and politicians I've loathed have never changed the country as mush as I'd feared. So I believe many of Trump's promises will never come to pass and the damage he'll do can be mended in time.
In the meantime, I'm going to give my dog some scratchies until I feel better, and I'm going to keep up the good fight in the hope of better days to come.
But at the same time, this is a road I've been down in 2000 and the country is still here. "This too shall pass", so to speak. In my experience, politicians I've loved have never changed the country as much as I'd like, and politicians I've loathed have never changed the country as mush as I'd feared. So I believe many of Trump's promises will never come to pass and the damage he'll do can be mended in time.
In the meantime, I'm going to give my dog some scratchies until I feel better, and I'm going to keep up the good fight in the hope of better days to come.
It's not going to be okay, sorry. Not unless A.I./aliens manage to save us in the next couple of decades anyway.
The one thing that popped into my mind with all that, was... What if (now, here me out!)
What iiiiiiiif
Trump gives Hillary a cabinet position? It's stupid, sure, but it would also serve as the start of the healing process for the country, and bring both parties together.
Yeah, I know, stupid. But interesting as a thought-exercise.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Essentially, yes. It's a massive drop-off from Obama in 2012 and is looking like it will be at best tied with John Kerry. In terms of number of votes, that is.
Poker Face
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Yea couldn't sleep at all last night either. This shit is awful.
Can only imagine how Hillary feels right now :/
Can only imagine how Hillary feels right now :/
ErasureAcer
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And Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court.
soundscream
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After Detroit didnt deliver against Bernie, I was shocked hearing the campain say the same thing last night. How the fuck didn't they try to correct that. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania I'll let them slide but they had evidence their Michigan stratagy was shit in the primary. Wasting time in Arizona while they got jacked in their backyard.
Really sad. That was her biggest issue all along and her campaign never figured out how to address it.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Yay for four hours of sleep and a feeling of utter panic on waking up.
I'm not sure I agree with this. You know what the big takeaway for me is from all of this? The GOP just learned--after years of thinking and being told otherwise--that they can win without the black and brown vote. You think they didn't care about minorities before? Wait til the Breitbart caucus has a stronghold in congress. You think they're going to compromise with black and brown folks on issues to form a coalition against fascism, or are they more likely to fall in line?
Member the Tea Party movement? Did they (GOP) repudiate that on principle, or did they only begin to repudiate it when they thought it cost them re-election campaigns?
Hands of Stone
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Will he even want a second term?
Feel like he'll do his 4 years and ride out of the White House.
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It looks like Clinton will win the popular vote. So actually, I think the flawed institution was the (rather undemocratic) electoral college.
Yup they don't need the Latino vote. What comes after this? What comes after Trump
shinra-bansho
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Why would you subject yourself to that after this... you people are masochists.
Lord Frieza
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Did Clinton win the popular vote? Any chance for a recount somewhere (anywhere) then, or was the overall votes still too decisive per state to be worth a try.
Poodlestrike
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Everything I thought I knew about this country was wrong. I thought we were making real progress, that even if the Republicans could gerrymander their way into controlling the House, that on the national level, at least, we were a real majority.
We're not.
And I'm not sure how to process that. I'm Jewish, I know how this shit goes. First you come for the Muslims and HIspanics, then... you know the rest.
I wanted... I wanted to make great things here. I wanted to go to Tesla, or Space X, or NASA after I graduated.
I can't now. It's that simple. I need to get out of here ASAP.
After last night, my entire future has to be rewritten.
We're not.
And I'm not sure how to process that. I'm Jewish, I know how this shit goes. First you come for the Muslims and HIspanics, then... you know the rest.
I wanted... I wanted to make great things here. I wanted to go to Tesla, or Space X, or NASA after I graduated.
I can't now. It's that simple. I need to get out of here ASAP.
After last night, my entire future has to be rewritten.
InsaneZero
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Poor doggie.
nature boy
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And Russia has blackmail on the the POTUS-elect.
She will most likely win, but she's millions of votes down on Obama. People didn't vote.
She will most likely win, but she's millions of votes down on Obama. People didn't vote.
mentallyinept
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She will almost certainly win the popular vote. A recount is pointless, even if every state currently separated by less than 1% of the vote were to swing to Clinton, she'd still lose.
Democracy lost, the electoral college won.
Clinton's now ahead in the popular vote by about 30k and most of what's left is all West Coast states. So she'll win that by a point or two once the rest of California comes in.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Truly one of the worst days of my life. I can't believe anything right now. Everything seems so surreal.
People stayed home and let this happen.
People stayed home and let this happen.
Black Mamba
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I can't sleep.
This sucks.
This sucks.
nature boy
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In other words, Clinton GOTV failed and Trump non-existent GOTV worked.
Not seen the link for this, so...
Election 2016: Exit Polls
The NPAs broke almost down the middle, but with more going to Trump (48 to Trump, 42 Clinton).
And I'm too depressed to C&P, so...
Election 2016: Exit Polls
The NPAs broke almost down the middle, but with more going to Trump (48 to Trump, 42 Clinton).
And I'm too depressed to C&P, so...
cartoon_soldier
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If anything, this election shows that campaign ads, money and GOTV are over rated if you can strike a populist nerve backed by free media.
If I have one criticism of Clinton campaign is that their media strategy sucked bigly.
If I have one criticism of Clinton campaign is that their media strategy sucked bigly.
sazzy
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Its pretty reasonable so far
Haven't seen any I TOLD YOU SO NANANANANNANA so far
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Just to stress this from the exit polls:
Trump did one point (+1%!) better than Romney among white voters, according to exit polling. Where his gains came from were: black voters (+7%), Hispanic voters (+8%) and Asian voters (+11%).
Trump did one point (+1%!) better than Romney among white voters, according to exit polling. Where his gains came from were: black voters (+7%), Hispanic voters (+8%) and Asian voters (+11%).
I wonder what it would've been like if the media hadn't given Trump a free pass selling his "policies" during the Primary. What was it, $4bn worth of free advertising? Fucking shameful.
Self-hating minorities. Lovely.
Australia's been down that road for a long time.
Shit, this was really close
Few hundred votes in NH (0.1%) (Upshot thinks this will flip to Clinton)
16k in Michigan (0.3%)
27k in Wisconsin (1%)
60k in PA (1.1%)
That margin's going to narrow a tad.
Should never have been this close, but you could point to all sorts of things happening that could have changed the margin to a Clinton win. Talking about a total of ~100k votes.
Florida's also just ~130k votes.
Few hundred votes in NH (0.1%) (Upshot thinks this will flip to Clinton)
16k in Michigan (0.3%)
27k in Wisconsin (1%)
60k in PA (1.1%)
That margin's going to narrow a tad.
Should never have been this close, but you could point to all sorts of things happening that could have changed the margin to a Clinton win. Talking about a total of ~100k votes.
Florida's also just ~130k votes.
She had record unfavorables and she tried to compensate that with anti trump ads.
Hell one of her ads is Trump telling Isis to go fuck themselves and while that doesn't show predential decorum it relates to how the public feels.
CrimzonSamurai
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It's either that or keep seeing German eagle heraldry and WW2 in Color screens every time I close my eyes.
They kinda do need it still. AZ and TX were closer than usual because trump's share of the Latino vote in both states was garbage. AZ,GA and TX to a lesser extent are all ticking time bombs for the GOP.They can not rely on trump's election strategy forever to win elections.
Frank the Great
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Hillary tried to shame the country into voting for her. But most of the country has no shame and gets fired up when told to have shame. Yet, it still could have worked if she excited her base, which she failed to do.
It's funny how overnight, all of a sudden it is the Dems who need to retool their message to survive. While I agree to some extent (I mean, the party is fucking dead right now), a lot of it is just that their candidate wasn't exciting. In the post-facts world, all that matters is charisma.
Dems definitely need to retool their message and figure out a strategy to win at the state and local levels, but that is nothing new. At the Presidential level, they just need a more charismatic candidate. I fucking love Hillary, and have always supported her, but this is the hard truth. People don't want the most qualified, they want someone they can relate to and trust.
The demographics are still going to keep moving away from Republicans so there is no need to modify the platform to start appealing to the deplorables. They just need to strategize better next time, put up a better candidate, and figure out a better way to combat the right wing media machine.
It's funny how overnight, all of a sudden it is the Dems who need to retool their message to survive. While I agree to some extent (I mean, the party is fucking dead right now), a lot of it is just that their candidate wasn't exciting. In the post-facts world, all that matters is charisma.
Dems definitely need to retool their message and figure out a strategy to win at the state and local levels, but that is nothing new. At the Presidential level, they just need a more charismatic candidate. I fucking love Hillary, and have always supported her, but this is the hard truth. People don't want the most qualified, they want someone they can relate to and trust.
The demographics are still going to keep moving away from Republicans so there is no need to modify the platform to start appealing to the deplorables. They just need to strategize better next time, put up a better candidate, and figure out a better way to combat the right wing media machine.
Your government's stance on abortion is stupid and harms lives, but beggars can't be choosers. (I'm actually looking at getting grandparents details for an Irish passport due to Brexit).
That assumes most of them don't try to abandon ship now. :/
FIREKNIGHT2029
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Wow, just wow.
maquiladora
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France is next
Souldriver
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I think it's fairly certain this is a done deal. You don't go contesting the result in a whole bunch of states like that...
I've no illusions about what's more likely to happen.
What needs to happen, though? As broad an antifa coalition as possible. Good fucking luck turning back the fascist groundswell by bailing out the boat every few years in elections. Authoritarianism is clearly rooted deeper and more widespread in America than anyone might have reasonably guessed, and that requires no less than a widespread movement to repudiate it and provide an alternative.
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