I'll take you on a tour of NH sometime!
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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I'll take you on a tour of NH sometime!
Psychoward
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It's sad that the best we can hope for is a total economic collapse that spurs a new deal like movement and energizes the Sanders crowd like no other.
whyamihere
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Good for New Hampshire and Nevada. They did work.
It's not necessarily just about how much damage they can do, but about the things they won't act on while they're busy destroying things.
We needed climate change legislation already. Renewable energy and all that jazz needed to be set up and researched now to be ready in the future.
Hey leave us Scots out of this.
Actually second thought, Trumps Mother was Scottish.
Sorry World
Every year we get reports on twitter, social media, from the press, etc, that turnout is crazy. But it's always the same.
plagiarize
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Not at all. It's great movie.
Officerrob
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Ralston's reporting was very good in Nevada
Hooligan69
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Bye gaf. It was a roller coaster with a horrific surprise ending. I'm in shock, partly numb, still kind of shaking like adrenaline overload.
I can't take it anymore, time to unplug and decide what's next....
cheers.
I can't take it anymore, time to unplug and decide what's next....
cheers.
Blood Meridian is one of the most beautiful books in the English language. You should read it regardless of this election.
banefirelord
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It's got excellent set design wrapped around the most dreadfully on the nose allegory I've ever seen.
Who did they vote for?
What did they do this last year? How did they organize? What messages did they spread? Where did they donate and volunteer?
It is very helpful for me to see all the "but Bernie" takes today and yesterday because it makes it very easy to identify the people who ultimately had no stake in this election.
I like you, but I think it should be clear why I think that article is self-satisfied mush. I've already made the case multiple times in this thread. Frankly, I've been making it for the last year. Anybody who voted for a white nationalist because they were worried about economic issues is saying "your life and the life of your daughter are important to me, but not as important as some other things, so I'll have to take it day by day on which I prioritize."
Those people are not allies, no matter how they voted in 2012.
Officerrob
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The media won't change one bit
Good Job Bob
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Steve Schale on the other hand... Did he just not look at the rural counties?
Hydrophobic
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Someone in OT said he should just go all in and repeal NAFTA and have astronomical import tariffs. That just made me sad because I don't want to know how many people think this is a good idea for American jobs. It would result in companies that relied on foreign companies (whether they had an American choice or not) getting screwed, which is passed down to the employees. To say nothing of what other countries would do in response.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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It's horrible, but Obama was too good of a human being and too trusting in liberalism.
If he really ran the IRS as a political vehicle, as alleged by Chaffetz and Cruz and every Republican, he could have leaked Trump's tax returns and that might have given the edge.
It's sad when you lose for being too good of a person.
If he really ran the IRS as a political vehicle, as alleged by Chaffetz and Cruz and every Republican, he could have leaked Trump's tax returns and that might have given the edge.
It's sad when you lose for being too good of a person.
A Link to the Past
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I'd kind of hate that. I don't want President Pence.
The Lamonster
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I think we're all learning this lesson today.
It may just shape the rest of my life, at least.
America Works would still be political poison. So, not every element of fantasy was removed.
plagiarize
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If you're a 'but Bernie' type who voted Clinton, I'll let you have the stage.
But if you're a 'but Bernie' type who didn't vote, or who voted third party... then you can shut your mouth.
How's that for salt?
But if you're a 'but Bernie' type who didn't vote, or who voted third party... then you can shut your mouth.
How's that for salt?
My wife cried all night and it crushes me to see her like that. Ever since I've known her, she's said there will be a woman president some day. She used to get into arguments with some of my lunkheaded friends in our younger days about it and them saying it will never happen and mocking her. When Bill was in office she used to say, "Someday Hillary is going to be president. Just you wait." She really felt that Hillary would be someone that would champion women's rights and despite her baggage someone she deeply admired. Last night she was inconsolable and just said, "It's never going to happen in my lifetime. I can't take it." Watching the dreams of someone you love just die like that is the worst feeling.
I don't either. But I'd be more comfortable with Pence holding the nuclear codes than Trump.
Frustrated_me
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RustyNails
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DNC needs restructuring. Donna gtfo.
But it's even less than 2012 and there was an increase in actual voter registration. Just means less people actually care to vote?
What are the chances the Republican senate don't nuke the filibuster?
Is that the only saving grace if they keep it? The supreme court is fucked though right?
So how easy is it to overturn gay marriage and roe v wade? Like how easy? And if gay marriage is overturn even liberal states will have to ban it?
My uncle is gay and lives in Boston so I know that is liberal state but can stuff change?
I live in Canada but really follow US politics but don't know the above.
Thanks.
"Any moment" the past half hour.
My personal opinion is Trump will be a do-nothing stooge that sits on the throne while the rest of the people around him actually set the policy and do the work. He might as well be president anyways.
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
The ONLY silver lining to all of this is that I won't have to hear relatives and customers shitting on Obama any time they complain about something they don't like that is out of their control. Just yesterday I had a customer saying "I'm surprised OBAMA and the goddamned EPA hasn't shut you down." when walking around our production facility and seeing how much dust we kick up when we engrave rocks. So much anger all the time directed at someone I admire so much is just tiring.
You don't get to let Donald Trump win the election while you sit back and do nothing and then say that it proves you right.
SenorArdilla
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Reid is exactly the bitter and vindictive leader the Democrats need.
Isaac Otherworld
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The DNC's job is to make sure the Democrats win elections. All the data during the primary pointed towards Clinton having serious weaknesses in the general election. Head to head polling showed Clinton barely being Trump in nationwide polls. Bernie was consistently polling 7-15% over Trump in GE match ups. And the head to head match up during the primaries ended up being the case. Clinton was statistically tied with Trump.
It is absolutely insane that the DNC let Clinton run with the FBI investigation. And you can say that the FBI investigation was much ado about nothing, and it was. Can you imagine if Bernie tried to run while actively being investigated by the FBI for any reason? The cries for him to get out of the race would be deafening. And guess what? The Comey's nothing announcement was possibly the last deathblow to her campaign.
Anyone who was paying attention to what was going on in the electorate saw the writing on the wall as far back as January that Clinton was in serious danger of losing to Trump.
You do realize they will blame Obama anyway?
"It's only Trump's 3rd year, Obama set this all up in his 8 years!"
I assume Clinton or Stein, but I don't think Stein garnered enough votes anywhere for it to be her fault right? Or, I don't know, La Riva.
I don't disagree that if people in swing states didn't vote Clinton that they're not allies. But I just would really need to see the receipts to believe they voted Trump.
In terms of organizing we need to do better. Bernie did go all in for Clinton after his loss. As for SA or whatever, its not like they have any strength anyway - socialist orgs have been dead in the water for decades. For intersectionality, we need to do better, and it's baffling that a movement that has historically been strong with PoC worldwide has an element that will only accept class analysis. But I think, and you know I'll always think, that we need to adopt a more populist, more vicious style to win.
IggyChooChoo
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Me neither, but I don't worry that's he's either a Russian stooge or someone who could get us into a nuclear war. On the other hand, I do think he's more likely than Trump to eviscerate the social safety net.
Yeah, they were literally blaming Clinton for the Great Recession when it happened, 8 years after Clinton was in office.
banefirelord
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well on the plus side my copy of Battlefield 1 finally showed up
Even accepting all of this is true (and I don't), you want the DNC to rig the primary?
The Technomancer
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What, the attitude that voting at all costs is important is what lost the election? Because it seems to me like the attitude that lost the election was the people who couldn't be bothered to turn out
Joe Shlabotnik
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He's on trial for fraud in two weeks. TBH though I wonder if chucking the president-elect is just really destabilizing at a really bad time. But then if he's found responsible for running a scam university... whaddya do.
Yup. Pence will be acting President anyway. Trump will just be traveling the world and making speeches. Pushing GOP ideals. He'll literally be their puppet. Sometimes I'll assume he'll go off message and say something fucking stupid.
Trump is going to rubber stamp anything coming out of the Republican Congress, and that's where the dismantling would happen if it does.
Frustrated_me
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"You don't let Donald trump win"
Stop talking about him. Make people excited about YOUR candidate. Stop blaming other people. Start owning up; Hillary was a GOD awful candidate. She did not connect with the people as much as Bernie did (for example).
If what you say is true then nobody but Hillary is at fault here, she was awful.
Ask yourself, how shitty of a candidate do you have to be to lose against Trump?
Dubbedinenglish
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GOP owes their victory entirely to Trump. What incentive is there for them to go through with it?
RustyNails
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This.
I agree. We need the charismatic, fresh-faced presidential nominee and the brutal enforcer behind the scenes.
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