ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yeah, right, come the fuck on.
Anyway, we need to organize right now to get the nuclear arsenal moved to a committee. How can we start this?
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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Yeah, right, come the fuck on.
Anyway, we need to organize right now to get the nuclear arsenal moved to a committee. How can we start this?
nature boy
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We're going to win the 2018 midterms big league.
People aren't going to take losing their health insurance sitting down.
Ha, check the 2018 Senate races before saying that
We're going to win the 2018 midterms big league.
People aren't going to take losing their health insurance sitting down.
I'm not sure the dem party even has the bench available to win anything. Who are these strong candidates that can step up? Dem might need time to rebuild. They were totally unprepared for this.
Perhaps
But that isn't all of the problem. We need to learn.
Don't worry.
I learned my lesson. So did a lot of people last night.
I suspect it is not the lesson the white liberals who refused to fight Donald Trump are hoping I would learn.
teruterubozu
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polls *sigh*
So is there any point to paying attention to politics over the next year and a half? The Republicans have a blank check to run roughshod with their agenda and it doesn't seem like there's any way to oppose it. I don't see any reason to give a shit in the meantime because it's just going to lead to depression.
I'm the same. Will literally not do anything school wise and just focus on working and my hobbies. Going to try to ignore his shit.
I work at Amazon and I honestly hope my work days get faster and faster.
An article posted in here an hour or so ago shows that the whole "racist" thing is a garbage non-starter. Racism is not why she lost.
Never change, Plinko.
Abinash117
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Go back and look at my post again.
White millenials went for Trump, 48% to 43%.
GAF -> America -> White House
They did for Romney; but that is down to Romney won them by 51% and Obama 44% .
Fuck no.Viability of a Tim Kaine 2020 run? People generally like him, very moderate, white, man.
plagiarize
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An article posted in here an hour or so ago shows that the whole "racist" thing is a garbage non-starter. Racism is not why she lost.
Race was clearly a major factor. Are you confident that she wouldn't have won if less voters had been mobilized to be open and excited by Trump?
If white people all wanted the guy who *clearly* had policies that will be better for white people, and the minorities lined up against him... how can you honestly say that racism doesn't come into it with any certainty.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I keep seeing people post this, but in GE polls Bernie was absolutely trouncing Trump, and that was well after people were knowledgeable of his political background.
Race was clearly a major factor. Are you confident that she wouldn't have won if less voters had been mobilized to be open and excited by Trump?
If white people all wanted the guy who *clearly* had policies that will be better for white people, and the minorities lined up against him... how can you honestly say that racism doesn't come into it with any certainty.
Because the article posted showed that people who voted for Obama are what cost Hillary this election.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Fuck that glass ceiling comment broke me
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I'm not sure the dem party even has the bench available to win anything. Who are these strong candidates that can step up? Dem might need time to rebuild. They were totally unprepared for this.
The Republicans got a fuckton of rando losers elected in 2010 just from the wave alone.
Wonder what the would/would not vote catholic percentage looked like before/after Kennedy.
A Serious Man
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Viability of a Tim Kaine 2020 run? People generally like him, very moderate, white, man.
Tim Kaine is a democratic Jeb!.
metalslimer
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Her having to say the glass ceiling isn't shattered is heartbreaking. I'm paralyzed right now
NYCmetsfan
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Go back and look at my post again.
White millenials went for Trump, 48% to 43%.
GAF -> America -> White House
Lets not rely too much on exits
also
@DomenicoNPR 4h4 hours ago
Turnout
2012 Obama: 65.9m
2016 Clinton: 59.1m = -6.8m
2012 Romney: 60.9m
2016 Trump: 59m = -1.9m
You tell me what happened
Dems didn't show up. That includes many white millenials which could skew that.
We have to oversomething to vote for.
Racism played a huge part yes but going forward we must offer a future and a vision, we didn't do that.
Officerrob
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Only poor people and kids are going to lose their health insurance anyway. I mean, not to be harsh. But Obamacare was targeted at expanding coverage to people who vote the least.
Exactly
Brawndo Addict
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polls *sigh*
*Scoff*. Just because polls were wrong about the election does not mean polling science is broken or made up. Socialism/Communism are the ultimate boogeymen of American politics and the Republicans would have dragged Bernie to hell and back over it.
Republicans have won (both results and optics) because we blame the voters instead of Republicans for eviscerating voting infrastructure and throwing roadblocks like voter ID to stop Dem voters.
Trump underperformed Romney and still lost. A lot of these raw numbers are reading like a midterm election.
Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
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Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401
Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
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Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401
Poodlestrike
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They did for Romney; but that is down to Romney won them by 51% and Obama 44%
Which says to me that White Millenials are little pampered fucksticks who, when faced with the choice between the possible end of the free world and Clinton, decided to stay home.
Look, all you people talking about how "oh you can't blame the voters..." I can blame the voters. I AM a voter. These are people, not numbers. I can address them as I would any other person about any other choice they made. And right now I want to rip their guts out and strangle them with them, so calling them idiots and racists is kind of a moderation of my actual feelings, you dig?
They did for Romney; but that is down to Romney won them by 51% and Obama 44% .
White millenials -- they supported white nationalism slightly less than dog whistles, but still put it in the White House.
Thanks bros!
elvisaintdead
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Viability of a Tim Kaine 2020 run? People generally like him, very moderate, white, man.
It's so tempting right now to just throw out anyone associated with this campaign, I don't know if that mentality prevails in 3-4 years.
newshinycd
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Tim Kaine is a democratic Jeb!.
Kaine: *makes dad joke*
Kaine: ...Please laugh
plagiarize
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I keep seeing people post this, but in GE polls Bernie was absolutely trouncing Trump, and that was well after people were knowledgeable of his political background.
And when a grand sum of 0 dollars had been spent advertising against him by super pacs. We have no idea how he would have held up had the GOP actually been going after him instead of propping him up to try and hurt Clinton.
He might have won.
But we'll never be able to say for certain. Sorry.
Try and think about things we can actually do to fix this, rather than obsessing over things we can't do next time out.
Officerrob
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Viability of a Tim Kaine 2020 run? People generally like him, very moderate, white, man.
He has the charisma of a door knob
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Trump underperformed Romney and still lost. A lot of these raw numbers are reading like a midterm election.
Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
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Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401
Yep. But please, people, continue lecturing us on how racists are the ones who cost her the election.
Poodlestrike
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So we have to talk about the GOTV operation. It sucked.
Yeah, what the fuck happened there?
teruterubozu
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*Scoff*. Just because polls were wrong about the election does not mean polling science is broken or made up. Socialism/Communism are the ultimate boogeymen of American politics and the Republicans would have dragged Bernie to hell and back over it.
Republicans have won (both results and optics) because we blame the voters instead of Republicans for eviscerating voting infrastructure and throwing roadblocks like voter ID to stop Dem voters.
Yes, we've been hearing that since the primaries. Man, I'm having flashbacks now. What a terrible post-election hangover.
BreezyLimbo
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So we have to talk about the GOTV operation. It sucked.
in wisconsin apparently. And Pennsylvania.
I was waking up every half hour last night and taking another half hour to go back to sleep, only to need to be up at 5 am this morning. My anxiety was through the roof. I managed to catch a snooze on the bus and I don't feel like I have a fist clenching my heart anymore, so I guess that's progress.
StormBrute
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Well, political science is going to have a field day with this election, that's for sure.
One thing I've learned is that "charisma" matters more than anything else.
One thing I've learned is that "charisma" matters more than anything else.
So we have to talk about the GOTV operation. It sucked.
seems like they only focused on strongholds and minorities first and foremost.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So we have to talk about the GOTV operation. It sucked.
Perhaps GOTV Operations are pointless?
There was a GULF of difference between the two, it's obvious it does not do THAT much.
NYCmetsfan
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Wikileaks and FBI is not why Clinton lost. Her complete inability to reach the white rural voter was.
This still isn't an electoral path. That's not who we failed. It was the dem base who didn't show up or was prevented from showing up
metalslimer
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So we have to talk about the GOTV operation. It sucked.
I don't even know where to begin with that.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
“Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.” —Hillary
I don't know how many times it needs to be said: This is the EXACT thought process that lost the election and is losing countless local elections across the country. Enough with the elitist attitudes.
This still isn't an electoral path. That's not who we failed. It was the dem base who didn't show up or was prevented from showing up
I don't know how many times it needs to be said: This is the EXACT thought process that lost the election and is losing countless local elections across the country. Enough with the elitist attitudes.
Brawndo Addict
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Nobody touched Bernie; he was never subjugated to the relentless Republican media machine like Clinton was. To act like his GE polling from early primary season were at all reflective of how the election would go is nonsense.
Her having to say the glass ceiling isn't shattered is heartbreaking. I'm paralyzed right now
It's also heartbreaking to realize that we probably won't be seeing another major party female candidate for President for a very long time...
Bonen no Max'd
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Other than Collins or maybe Murkowski, are there any Republican senators who might be sane enough to keep things in check? We're at 48 now so we need three more...
IggyChooChoo
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Trump will try to blame Obama for it and will be abetted by Fox. Not sure if it'll work, but that'll be the play.Yes they will
I keep seeing people post this, but in GE polls Bernie was absolutely trouncing Trump, and that was well after people were knowledgeable of his political background.
Not as "knowledgeable" as they would be after months of innuendo, smears and lies from the other side, in addition to a toothless media that gave equal credence to the outrageous and the truth alike.
BreezyLimbo
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Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead. Hillary
I don't know how many times it needs to be said: This is the EXACT thought process that lost the election and is losing countless local elections across the country. Enough with the elitist attitudes.
It's easy for her to say that. When she's a white woman. It's so damn easy for her to say that.
Ya'll ready for this?
Secretary of State: Newt
Treasury: Steve Mnuchin
Secretary of Defense: Sessions
Attorney General: Rudy
Interior Secretary: Palin
Agriculture Secretary: Sid Miller
Health and Human Services Secretary: Rick Scott
Education Secretary: Ben Carson
Definitely not cronyism at all.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nobody touched Bernie; he was never subjugated to the relentless Republican media machine like Clinton was. To act like his GE polling from early primary season were at all reflective of how the election would go is nonsense.
Not as "knowledgeable" as they would be after months of innuendo, smears and lies from the other side, in addition to a toothless media that gave equal credence to the outrageous and the truth alike.
Of course they would have went after him. He still had nowhere near the baggage Hillary did. He didn't have the specter of a national security failure over his head. That was a colossal motivator for the rural white vote. Why people keep brushing this fact off is beyond me. The emails thing crushed her. Bernie had nothing like that.
Look--I didn't vote for Bernie in the primaries. I wasn't a huge fan. But I was never naive enough to refuse that he was a better GE candidate.
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