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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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NYCmetsfan
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I think we need to look to late 1920s history to see where our path forward is. We need to really be as transformative as Roosevelt.
There's trans rights too. And Pence probably gives no fucks about the popular opinion, though hopefully that wakes people up.
Oh, it's definitely working (sadly).
Bin Laden totally accomplished what he wanted to do, and people are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
Depresses the hell out of me.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yet there is an entire thread that did just that. I'm actually finding Bernie supporters, who to quote myself from last night: "Who think Bernie can heal the racial divide and get white rural white americans to vote for a candidate pushing socialist policies that will help minorities."
To be more insufferable today.
Nazgul_Hunter
Member
I'm concerned right now about it. I got my green card because I married my husband last year. There's a non-zero chance I could get it revoked now.
As much as it pains me to hear her say that and I"m sure it pains HER to say that. She's gotta say it. She's gotta bow out gracefully.
Isaac Otherworld
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Messaging like "Boy I can't wait to work with Republicans because they're so right about things" makes you look weak to the voting public. If the Republicans are so right about things, why not just vote for them? That thinking kills Democrats in midterms as well.
Yes. Obama missed the opportunity.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
No its not. Its not elitist at all. We won more votes. We need more votes. We don't need to change peoples mind. Worrying about changing minds is stupid. It doesn't happen.
More votes wins. We see this mid term after mid term. We need our voters voting. Its how we won 2006-2008
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I agree with this as well. Way, way too passive in dealings with republicans. They play politics exponentially better than democrats.
No, this isn't true at all. It IS elitist. This isn't a popular vote election. Why did democrats lose? Because they didn't win votes from a specific group. THAT is why they lost. Every single number shows this.
Marmaladefire
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Yes. They can miss me with that "poor people angst" bullshit. Poor rural whites voted aganist their own interests. Poor rural whites vote based on identity politics, something that, ironically, everyone else is accused of doing. Poor rural white people don't care if safety nets are taken away, because it also means blacks have no protection, because the pipe dream of upward mobility is still alive for them. They don't care about killing the environment because it means that they have a shitty, dangerous job for 10 more years, they root against expansion of rights for anyone who isn't like them, and poor rural white women think feminism is for uppity elitist man hating lesbians. If this was about poor people, poor male minorities would have found some comfort in trump,
Here is the lesson that every educated white woman, ethnic minority, LGBTQIA, religious non christians, and immigrant learned last night: Nobody gives a fuck about you. Nobody is going to protect you, and you are not a "real American". The media, which I'm 85% avoiding at this time, is going to pivot to economic unrest as the main reason for this outcome. It is not. Racism, sexism, fearmongering, hatred and apathy for fellow human beings.
It's alright man. We'll get through this.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
It is actually not a small thing that the acceptance and the concession went traditionally.
Father_Brain
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I agree that focusing too much on Bernie specifically and relitigating the primary is not particularly helpful, but you can't only look forward.
The better, related question is why the entire Democratic establishment - the DNC/DCCC/DSCC, think tanks like CAP, various affiliated media outlets like Mother Jones, key interest groups like Human Rights Campaign, NARAL, and Planned Parenthood Action - decided it was in their best interest to do everything possible to advance the coronation of a (like it or not) deeply unpopular candidate who was so thoroughly unsuited for an anti-establishment political moment.
That's one of the biggest questions that any autopsy of this election will have to address.
Frank the Great
Banned
Any chance Trump eliminates public interest loan forgiveness? It's a GWB program but I'm kind of shook right now. I'm three years into my public service job and would be totally fucked if that program goes away because I have been making minimum IBR payments and still owe basically what I graduated from law school with.
I'm scared.
I'm scared.
Nah, he's right. Obama got 65.9 million votes in 2012 vs Romney's 60.9 million.
Clinton got 59.3 million vs Trumps 59.1 million.
It has everything to do with having those high unfavorable numbers. We need a candidate to inspire the democratic base, a democrat with charisma, and Clinton didn't have enough.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Brawndo Addict
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Just because Hillary lost doesn't mean Bernie would have won. He would have lost too, just differently. A big part of the 2010 narrative was Republicans rallying their voters to stop the socialist Obama(care). Socialism is just as bad if not worse than emails for Sanders.
BreezyLimbo
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whats that quote
convince the lowest white man they're better than a black person and they won't notice you picking their pocket?
Epic Games chief pays $15M to protect 7,000 acres of North Carolina wilderness
A bit of happy news.... Yeyyyyyyy...
The US is fucked still. :'(
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hillary vs. Trump was the biggest mismatch in religious devotion possibly in U.S. history and white evangelicals went 80% for Trump.
Heh, heh, heh.
Ha, ha, ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
White Evangelicals are the worst people in the United States. I don't care about heaven at this point, I just hope hell is real.
Quit fucking posting that turnout chart while California has barely counted any votes yet, jesus fucking christ.
Heh, heh, heh.
Ha, ha, ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
White Evangelicals are the worst people in the United States. I don't care about heaven at this point, I just hope hell is real.
Quit fucking posting that turnout chart while California has barely counted any votes yet, jesus fucking christ.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sadly, I place it at 99% probability. Why? It's attached to the ACA. Once that's repealed, it's over
I have 3 more years of payments and $46000 would be wiped away. I'm going to be saddled with an almost insurmountable amount of debt.TheLostBigBoss
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The nation didn't change.
We didn't get overcome by the alt right/racists.
None of that happened.
Dems didn't vote, that's it.
We didn't get overcome by the alt right/racists.
None of that happened.
Dems didn't vote, that's it.
Tim Kaine is a jolly Mario. Jeb's a boring stiff.
Again, the more I look at the raw votes I see a midterm election which has historically shown a lower turnout for Democrats. The lack of Dem enthusiasm and Trump vomiting so much negativity ultimately depressed turnout, though outright suppression likely had a measurable impact.
Tentatively interested in seeing actual county numbers and demographic breakdowns, but I'm still nearly out the door in my political interests. Might adopt a new hobby, like sniffing paint thinner.
Max Boot
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Obama got 65.9m votes in '12, Romney 60.9m. Clinton has 59.3m, Trump 59.1m. R vote didn't go up; Dem vote went down. 6.6m missing votes.
Tentatively interested in seeing actual county numbers and demographic breakdowns, but I'm still nearly out the door in my political interests. Might adopt a new hobby, like sniffing paint thinner.
Max Boot
‏@MaxBoot
Obama got 65.9m votes in '12, Romney 60.9m. Clinton has 59.3m, Trump 59.1m. R vote didn't go up; Dem vote went down. 6.6m missing votes.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I am 100% confident Bernie Sanders would have motivated more democrats to vote than Hillary Clinton.
Father_Brain
Banned
I cried this morning for the first time in years. I cried again through Hillary and Kaine's speeches. Fuck. Sad or upset doesn't begin to cover what I'm feeling now.
He would probably lose.
I don't want to sacrifice a stop-gap nominee in 2020 for the sake of long-term party rebuilding. I want a real contender in 2020.
He would probably lose.
I don't want to sacrifice a stop-gap nominee in 2020 for the sake of long-term party rebuilding. I want a real contender in 2020.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Kaine's boring.
He's a decent guy and the dad jokes were funny but he would be a godawful candidate.
Frank the Great
Banned
Sadly, I place it at 99% probability. Why? It's attached to the ACA. Once that's repealed, it's over
Fuck. This will ruin me financially. I don't know what to do.
Why do you think I'm pushing people to think of the mid-terms. This can't be left to continue, and people shouldn't wallow. The Dems need an excited base, and I'm sure DNC staff also need to know that people aren't giving up already.
Carpe Libertatem
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I'm also scared about this. I have so much uncertainty in my future right now
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Hillary was a poisoned well. When all the liberal people I know on facebook are hesitant to vote her, and when dems on a national level don't vote for her, it stops being an anecdotal thing. At this point I fully believe Hillary was a poisoned well. possibly anybody else running for dem presidency might've been better. Someone with more charisma.
I'm not sure there's an FDR out there right now.
NYCmetsfan
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IDK if I pin it on Obama per se. The party wasn't there.
But if I look how the GOP went from 2010 to today. They promised fundamental change (they said they were just going back to the good old days) and their voters were sold imposibilities.
They now stand on the possibility of accomplishing them all.
There are more democratic voters.
We can't be running on minor criminal justice reform. Nobody believes that.
We need to run on whole sale reform top to bottom.
We can't be running on minor climate change promises.
We need to promise we'll fully subsidize rapid, almost militaristic decarbonization, keep fossil fuels in the ground
(This is personal to me because I'm wrong) We need to fully run on free-at point of service medicare.
We need to run a voting rights amendment.
We need to run on free college
We need to run on debt relieve.
We need to run on fully repealing Trump/ryan's tax cut
We need to run on all that fully. No haphazardly. The GOP has total control. There's no reason we can't. We shouldn't promise based on the idea we have to compromise (we might and probably will!) but that can't be how we run a race.
Obama ran on maximalist promises. He won.
Hillary was tepid. She lost.
RustyNails
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Hindsight is 20/20. It was the inner bedwetter amongst the Dem leadership. Hillary was seen as "next in line" after losing to Obama in 2008, and her wealth of experience was thought of as an asset that could push her over the top. No one could have figured the racists would suddenly start galvanizing around their hero and no amount of nothing from anyone could convince them otherwise.
Brawndo Addict
Banned
Remember when PA Republican Mike Turzai said Voter ID would hand Romney Pennsylvania. He was just four years too early.
Hellsing321
Member
Bannon succeeded at doing the only thing that could have given Trump a win. By depressing turnout enough to get Trump over the threshold.
Cesare Borgia
Banned
People didn't show up. You can only bus so many people, call so many people, knock on doors, bargain, etc. Ultimately it comes down to a citizen saying "I can vote if I get up early before work" or "I can vote during my lunch break" or "I can vote early" or all the other ways people decide to vote. And it comes down to the candidate and people's enthusiasm in specific states.
It worked in Florida, it didn't work in Wisconsin. And that blows my fucking mind.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I feel so cynical right now. I work with a lot of pro-trump jewish people and part of me is hoping that anti-antisemitism rises so they can understand how fucked us PoC of feel right now. It's amazing how quickly history if forgotten.
The other part of me hopes all the rural pieces of shit lose their jobs to automation and have zero fucking safety nets. they fucking deserve it.
The other part of me hopes all the rural pieces of shit lose their jobs to automation and have zero fucking safety nets. they fucking deserve it.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Trump was a buffoon praising Clinton 2 years ago. FDR wasn't elected to NY Gov until after GOP took total control
Fear doesn't work.
We ran a campaign on fear of Trump. That didn't get anybody but Latinos out. This country is still white majority
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
As long as we get Harry Reid to lead the DNC and get the nuclear codes out of Trump's hands, we'll be okay.
We need to start organizing now to get the nuclear codes out of the presidency, the fate of humanity depends on it.
We need to start organizing now to get the nuclear codes out of the presidency, the fate of humanity depends on it.
plagiarize
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Well, unless I'm missing something, I will happily promise every Bernie Sanders supporter that I won't support Hillary Clinton for President in 2020 when she doesn't run.
There isn't another Hillary Clinton out there whether we want there to be or not. There is no practical application if the lesson is that Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate.
Fighting each other, when it's pretty goddamn clear who we need to be fighting is just a waste of fucking time. No?
There isn't another Hillary Clinton out there whether we want there to be or not. There is no practical application if the lesson is that Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate.
Fighting each other, when it's pretty goddamn clear who we need to be fighting is just a waste of fucking time. No?
I'm not.
The reason for that is he doesn't have the pull with minorities and women that Hillary did. Hillary's pull with minorities is not as strong as Obama's, but it was nothing to scoff at, especially since that's why he lost in the primary.
Yeah, that's been on my mind ever since the ruling. If Obergefell is overturned, I wonder what happens. I guess it goes to the states, but are existing marriage licenses nullified, or do they stand? And then there's full faith and credit to consider.
Such a potential mess. All it'll take is one state refusing to honor a license in some way, and a lawsuit will kick-off the process.
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