You're clearly wrong on this one.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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You're clearly wrong on this one.
You deserve major credit for being clear minded about this.
PoliGAF was the ultimate echo chamber and the few that saw the forest for the trees were often wrongly talked down to.
Also, everyone should read Hillbilly Elegy if they haven't already. It is the clearest window into the world of the Trump voters in the midwest. It should be required reading for all democrats going forward.
I also question how much baggage a candidate has to have before they're rendered too unclean for the democratic voting base.
I thought Bernie had plenty like the trip to Russia for his honeymoon, and the rape paper he wrote when he was thirty, but apparently no one in his voting base really cared for those. While Bernie didn't get to play out on a national level, do you think those all would have been non issues/ irrelevant due to their length in the spotlight compared to Clinton's scandals? Like this seriously isn't me shitting on Bernie. I want to really know if I was severely overestimated the damage these would affect him by. I'd love Berniegafs thoughts on this as well.
whyamihere
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to be fair, any Republican would have done this
JetBlackPanda
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I saw an exchange on twitter where someone's said last night "the empire struck back" and someone responded with it's going to be a rough wait for Return of the Jedi.
excelsiorlef
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balladofwindfishes
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I know this whole thing is awful, but I can't not smile at the ridiculousness of Trump's painting being in the White House and there being a Trump Presidential Library in New York. And there being Trump museums, and schools named after Trump. And all of the seemingly minor things Presidents get just by being president that are utterly ridiculous for Trump.
The Technomancer
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What are the odds that the employees of the EPA basically enter civil revolt? I mean, if they're working there they probably care about their work right?
Right??
Right??
Rebellions are built on hope.
plagiarize
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To be fair, that doesn't remotely make me feel better.
I can't disagree with much of this though I'd feel a bit worrisome if we ended up nominating our own "Trump". Even if that was a win for us, I don't what to put the country through something like that.
Or maybe they just disagreed with you? Again I wasn't in this thread all the time so maybe I missed some dumb stuff? I don't think anyone thinks she was flawless. There is no such thing as a flawless candidate - not even Obama was flawless (hello naivety that I recall even Clinton calling out).
Probably happy about the conciliatory tone Obama and Clinton set in addition to the reality that the GOP is still led (legislatively) by the most pro business lawmakers in a generation. They probably didn't even dream of the GOP winning all branches.
If he gets a library in NY it's going to be out in the boonies somewhere. At the bottom of a goddamned ravine.
excelsiorlef
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They're just gonna get fired.
I don't disagree with your thesis -- but how do you reconcile this lack of ideology with the intensely hyper-polarized electorate?
whyamihere
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No, not at all. But it's just, this is what this party does.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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YASSSSSS QUEEEN.
Samurai G0SU
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Good. Very Good.
D
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And after reading Hillbilly Elegy, read The Road to Wigan Pier.
History repeats itself, and we never seem to learn.
balladofwindfishes
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They usually build them in their home states
But this time his home state is hostile to him
What a weird situation. He doesn't really have a place for his library. Maybe Atlantic City?
Black Mamba
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No non incumbent Democrat has won the presidency without a recession or a real major scandal (Watergate) since kennedy.
Though they won the last 7 popular votes.
Maybe the decked is just stacked against us because of how votes are concentrated.
We have to consider this.
Though they won the last 7 popular votes.
Maybe the decked is just stacked against us because of how votes are concentrated.
We have to consider this.
Remember when George W Bush - grandson of a senator, son of a president and brother to a governor - ran as a Washington outsider in 2000 and won?
Good times.
The Technomancer
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Atlantic City hates him
SandMan2233
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Trust me, I'm feeling the same way. I went to bed last night pissed off, outraged and disgusted. I live in south Mississippi, and on top of Donald Trump, I have to deal with two more years of Steven Pallazo and his bullshit as a representative of my district (4th District, specifically).
So since you're deciding to run local (and that's awesome) I'll do you one better: Come 2018, Steven Pallazo will have an actual DNC challenger for 2018 in the 4th district of Mississippi, and it will be me. I'm already working out plans with friends and trying to formulate policy positions and the like, but I'm going full House of Representatives and running in two years.
It's going to be loud, it'll probably be stupid, but I'm not going to sit around and mope. I'm going to run and, so long as the people are willing to give me a shot, I may win, haha!
So good luck in your endeavours, and I wish you the absolute best. And do wish me luck, 'cause this state is a tough nut to crack.
The Technomancer
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I consider the odds of at least a recession under Trump being 100%. I don't see how it doesn't happen
Officerrob
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There is no worst Trump, this is just Trump. I have no idea why some expected him to change
whyamihere
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And I don't know what we do about this.
Don't think I've read this one - link?
balladofwindfishes
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I guess he'd be at home building it in Kentucky
I'm expecting one of the most scandal laden presidencies ever.
plagiarize
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And yes, if you don't already, do what you can to support the ACLU. They do great work and we need them now much more than we did under Obama.
Ignatz Mouse
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The Electoral College is a factor. As long as rural states are Republican states, there's a certain number of baked in EVs.
neurosisxeno
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Does it even matter? His base didn't give a shit that he has been divorced twice, was accused of sexually assaulting/harassing 10+ women, and is involved in a civil child rape case, you think infidelity is going to phase them?
He already has two court dates set up for this month and next month.
Voysa Reezun
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I was thinking about this.
I think Trump's most likely profile is Warren G. Harding.
Sex scandals, some Teapot-Dome-level shit. Oh, and total incompetence as an executive.
balladofwindfishes
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This isn't even a rare occurrence. It only mattered when Clinton did it because the GOP.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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We'll be goddamned lucky if he doesn't carve his stupid face into Mt. Rushmore.
Ziltoidia 9
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Fact being, everyone was too caught up with the idea that trump couldn't win to realize she wasn't the right candidate.
It shouldn't be that way. But it is. The DNC was too drunk on its own kool-aid and arrogant towards what was really happening the in country. And, guess what, 6 years ago getting money out of politics was a huge thing for the left. Remember Obama's SOTU where he mentioned it? Fast forward 5 years and it gets deleted away from the establishment for the party.
Bernie still has a chance to try and get millions of people to show up outside of the WH or congress.I hope he continues, even if it isn't for the presidency.
plagiarize
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So, back to the question of the whole popular vote thing. Which states should we be concentrating on to get that measure on the state law books of enough states to make up 270 electoral college votes?
Doc Holliday
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I didn't expect anything...
I was grasping at straws, some bit of hope that maybe the fact that the asshole was a New York t would still matter :/
Sometimes you have to experience it to learn.
And sometimes you just vote against your best interest because brown people scare you and you think they took the jobs you wouldn't want to be doing, anyway.
How many rural whites do you see lining up to take construction, migrant farming, or housekeeping work?
In his shoes, you gotta think why the hell not? May as well parade in a steady supply of P's into the Oval Office to grab. As long as he's got that R after his name the evangelicals will be behind him 100% (well, 80%).
There's actually a law against that. But who knows how much that'll matter going forward.
He couldn't even get all his supporters to the damn polls and he's going to get them to the WH?
The Dems fucked up by not nailing down the rust belt, that's literally where they went wrong. They tried to move the map too fast and it bit them in the ass.
D
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Because people aren't voting for the Republican ideology. The Republican ideology was Jeb Bush; he got beat. They're voting for the people who talk to them. The Democrats talk to black people and to educated voters, and they get their votes. Trump talked to white people without college degrees, and he got their votes. The Democrats never bothered talking to white people without college degrees, Trump never talked to black people and educated voters. So you get self-reinforcing echo chambers - that's the hyperpolarization. You're not really Republican any more because you believe in a rightwing ideology - like, rightwing is free markets and all that jazz. That's not what Trump was about at all - he's more anti-free market than Clinton was, at least in the respects important to his voters (anti-globalization). You're Republican because you identify with a particular group or community and your group or community votes Republican because the Republicans talk to it.
The Technomancer
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http://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-fac...k-parties-strong-partisanship-bad-combination
Okay so its about how the problem is weak parties but strong partisanship, but I'd argue they're close to the same thing; the republicans don't have anything like a consistent ideology other than "abortion bad, guns good, I want my jobs" and the democrats similarly lack a coherent message to center around other than "gee we really should be doing all the good stuff huh?"
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