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[Paches]

We can band together and put in work to try to defend civil rights. To keep up the struggle for Black Lives Matter, to fund and volunteer for support networks for the poor and marginalized. All of these are things I can see us coming together on

But man

What are we going to do about stuff like the EPA? No amount of grass roots organizing is going to change what regulatory bodies under Trump get up to

Any government entity the Republicans target for elimination is toast.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

we need to stop suggesting the elderly.

Someone who isn't over the age of 60 is out there waiting to rock the vote like Obama did. Might be a house member. A senator. A governor. Maybe a mayor. Someone is out there. We have to find them.

 

[smokeymicpot]

I don't think it's wrong to be mad about people who were telling you to not worry. Not worrying was one of the things that hurt us the most. Trump was the joke candidate until he wasn't.



Trump could be caught having sex with an aide and he would use Obama as an excuse.

Sad thing is probably. He had to much stress as president and needed to release it on someone new. Wouldn't have this stress if it wasn't from Obama. Now some how make it sound like Trump. There you go.

 

[Prompto]

We can band together and put in work to try to defend civil rights. To keep up the struggle for Black Lives Matter, to fund and volunteer for support networks for the poor and marginalized. All of these are things I can see us coming together on

But man

What are we going to do about stuff like the EPA? No amount of grass roots organizing is going to change what regulatory bodies under Trump get up to

Try and fight for clean energy at a state level? I don't know.

 

[diaspora]

A core part of the problem here is the underlying authoritarian undertones the GOP has always had; GOP falls in line, ALWAYS. We can't treat the Dem voting block the same way. They won't go out and vote just because the party tells them to vote. They want to be wooed.

Precious Little Voter Needs To Feel Inspired By Candidate

 

[Boke1879]

They'll try, but it's hard to blame the president from years ago and the minority party for economic problems.

The GOP isn't used to having to actually govern and own up to making decisions that cause problems. They haven't had to answer to that in a decade.

Yup. No excuses anymore for them. They control all 3 branches and soon the courts. If they fuck up. It's all on them.

 

[Black Mamba]

Side note but are you seriously white? I feel so dumb

Yes. But I'd be classified as a globalist.

My girlfriend is just white. She was devastated.

We're not all bad!

 

[Fedelias]

we need to stop suggesting the elderly.

Someone who isn't over the age of 60 is out there waiting to rock the vote like Obama did. Might be a house member. A senator. A governor. Maybe a mayor. Someone is out there. We have to find them.

DNC needs to mobilize as well as individual actors building towards 2018/2020.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Try and fight for clean energy at a state level? I don't know.

Ultimately, this is what we're going to have to do until the next Dem president can restore the EPA back.

The Democrats are going to have to seize states rights in the blue states they own and try to make the best of a bad situation.

 

[pigeon]

Yes. But I'd be classified as a globalist.

My girlfriend is just white. She was devastated.

We're not all bad!

some, I assume, are good people

 

[Poodlestrike]

Try and fight for clean energy at a state level? I don't know.

This is definitely doable, unless the Republican congress passes legislation barring states from setting their own clean air standards and whatnot. We'd still see even larger parts of the country than before fall into disrepair though.

 

[Barrage]

Those worried about who in the Democrats' thin bench is gonna step up need to realize that if Trump's run is not a complete disaster, your bench becomes anyone with notoriety. A stable Trump run opens the field to any celebrity that's charming enough.

Fuck mayors in Virginia,i'd be trying to court Dwayne Johnson.

(Altho there is rumours that he's Republican...)

 

[StopMakingSense]

Would have made a great prez. But, obviously, age.

Well, yeah.

 

[sazzy]

http://adage.com/article/campaign-t...cialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

 

[thepotatoman]

The talk is depressing me because even after this beating, that has been extra bad because the dem base doesn't care about state and midterms, there is still obsession over the presidency. Right now the talk should be: Who can we run to maximize the House/Senate in 2018. This is where Kander is needed.

I agree, but the focus for 2018 mostly depends on what republicans do. Democrats have no choice but to be reactive right now. And it doesn't help that 2018's senate map is so terrible even a landslide probably wouldn't flip the senate. We might have a better chance at flipping the house than the senate.

It's not until the presidential election that Democrats will have an opportunity to really reassert themselves and show a different path than Trump or Hillary showed us.

 

[nature boy]

I'm totally fine with pulling an Obama on Kamala: get her some foreign policy experience, keep her off cable tv, get her to know the donor network and staff in battleground states and prepare an a-list team around her

 

[damisa]

According to CNN, Hillary lost because she went way too far to the left and turned off white people

 

[smokeymicpot]

Those worried about who in the Democrats' thin bench is gonna step up need to realize that if Trump's run is not a complete disaster, your bench becomes anyone with notoriety. A stable Trump run opens the field to any celebrity that's charming enough.

Fuck mayors in Virginia,i'd be trying to court Dwayne Johnson.

(Altho there is rumours that he's Republican...)

Leo might be the best bet if he wants to step away. Sucks it came to this point but celebrity might be the best bet. Just pair him up with a well liked member of the party.

Really don't think it should be Warren since people will think of Clinton.

 

[mo60]

God it is so depressing to even contemplate ignoring minorities in order to win an election.

The GOP got lucky. They probably cannot pull a trump like strategy again to win future presidencies.

 

[Debirudog]

when I think of white people I dislike: it's usually white straight big men with caps.

 

[Mr.Mike]

- Single payer
- Universal basic income
- Free college
- Carbon tax, ban fracking, ban coal, major renewable tax incentives

I agree with most of this, although I would go with something more like negative income tax instead of a UBI to keep costs down and/or let a bigger share of it go to the people who need it most. And for the last point a high enough carbon tax could achieve the rest of it as a consequence, sparing the effort and possible costs of doing the rest, so I would do just a carbon tax.

 

[Dany]

Jason Kander save me.

 

[Black Mamba]

some, I assume, are good people

This is a comment that should make me laugh but I can't.

Surprised people thought I wasn't white. I have mentioned it before.

 

[Trouble]

According to CNN, Hillary lost because she went way too far to the left and turned off white people

Well that's one insanely reductionist way to look at it.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I'm totally fine with pulling an Obama on Kamala: get her some foreign policy experience, keep her off cable tv, get her to know the donor network and staff in battleground states and prepare an a-list team around her

No more coronations; no more backstage selections. She can fight it fair and square in 2020 just like everyone else.

 

[thefro]

we need to stop suggesting the elderly.

Someone who isn't over the age of 60 is out there waiting to rock the vote like Obama did. Might be a house member. A senator. A governor. Maybe a mayor. Someone is out there. We have to find them.

Pete Buttigieg is the best we have in Indiana, but I think he needs to get one more higher office (South Bend's only just over 100k people). He would have been great in a Clinton cabinet. I think he'd only maybe run for Governor in 2020 if anything (has a good chance if that's not a crazy Trump wave again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvYL3ZoVBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gf8Nl0zUA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beyosmycUiU

 

[A Link to the Past]

The GOP got lucky. They probably cannot pull a trump like strategy again to win future presidencies.

Voter suppression laws are only going to get stronger though.

 

[Officerrob]

Those worried about who in the Democrats' thin bench is gonna step up need to realize that if Trump's run is not a complete disaster, your bench becomes anyone with notoriety. A stable Trump run opens the field to any celebrity that's charming enough.

Fuck mayors in Virginia,i'd be trying to court Dwayne Johnson.

(Altho there is rumours that he's Republican...)

If we are doing dream celebrities, it starts with Clooney

 

[sazzy]

This guy did the digital advertising for donald https://twitter.com/parscale

I have no idea what it was like... I'm assuming most of it was on facebook and the like, and I don't use facebook.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

A core part of the problem here is the underlying authoritarian undertones the GOP has always had; GOP falls in line, ALWAYS. We can't treat the Dem voting block the same way. They won't go out and vote just because the party tells them to vote. They want to be wooed.

You also can't try and scare them into line, they just get disgusted. That's why we're stuck in this cycle of Republicans fuck the country, Democrats get voted in to fix it, they do, then Republicans get voted in again. Because the Dem voting block CANNOT be frightened into voting with promises over what happens if they don't, even though it's happened before.

Anger works as a motivator, but the problem with that is that things have to ALREADY be shit for that to happen, which is non-ideal. The only way to convince people that things are shit without them being shit is to find a scapegoat. The GOP uses minorities for this, and to a lesser extent, women. We are thus faced with two options: fully embrace the "eat the rich" rhetoric, or actually, successfully manage to other-ize Republicans. I'm not sure either is a good idea, long term, though I'd love the second works.

Yep, this is the main fucking. Democrats are very good at pointing out problem but you just cannot get them to unify consistently unless you have someone with a stunning image to rouse them. Throughout this year I've been hearing people say:

"I loved Obama!"
"Why can't we have him run a 3rd term!"
"Dems needed someone like him this time."

Obama was pretty damn good candidate, but guess how his voter base rewarded him? A good chunk out of his Eight years essentially being neutered because it's an ordeal trying to transfer that kind of enthusiasm to local level elections.

Republicans have their fucking shit together when it comes to unity. They also have gerrymandering and slimy tricks on their side, but even considering that, turn out from the Dems is pathetic. Too many people think their job is over once they get their guy in the oval office and then act shocked when "things aren't changing anyways". People are lamenting over a reality where Bernie was the nominee and won, but who can honestly tell me that Democrats would've remembered to help him build some leverage in 2018-forward?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Ultimately, this is what we're going to have to do until the next Dem president can restore the EPA back.

The Democrats are going to have to seize states rights in the blue states they own and try to make the best of a bad situation.

We already saw some blue shifts in NC (GOV) that trump won and outwest, NV and NM.

 

[sphagnum]

No more coronations; no more backstage selections. She can fight it fair and square in 2020 just like everyone else.

Time to get rid of superdelegates then.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

This guy did the digital advertising for donald https://twitter.com/parscale

I have no idea what it was like... I'm assuming most of it was on facebook and the like, and I don't use facebook.

https://twitter.com/parscale/status/796417875380764672

Anti-semtism!

 

[Poodlestrike]

The GOP got lucky. They probably cannot pull a trump like strategy again to win future presidencies.

Basically this. I was unbelievably scared earlier, when it seemed like the secret Trump majority was real, but no, we just have business as usual: Dems refusing to come out on the balcony unless they hear someone singing JUST so. I don't want to reduce this down to Clinton being unsuitable, because that's wrong, but at the same time... until we can somehow correct core deficiencies in how Democrats view elections, we need to focus on finding the right PERSON. Not even the right politician, but the right candidate. Someone to jazz people up. It's going to be damn hard overcoming GOP voter suppression, but it's doable.

 

[Doc Holliday]

guys guys, there's an easy solution to all of this. Just switch teams!


I'm now a Latino for Trump! Where my tax cuts yo!

sigh....

 

[Wilsongt]

 

[Kusagari]

According to CNN, Hillary lost because she went way too far to the left and turned off white people

Yet, I'm sure they'll be talking about how Bernie would have won within an hour.

 

[Diablos]

I don't even have it in me to be angry. I'm just sad and disappointed.

Yeah. I haven't been this depressed for a while. What this election means for this country... I feel like someone died.

 

[nature boy]

No more coronations; no more backstage selections. She can fight it fair and square in 2020 just like everyone else.

It's not a coronation, but also the last thing the Democratic party needs is drive-by candidates who are in the ranks one year before running for President.

Let's face it, I don't anyone can setup and run an effective GE operation if they're focused on the primaries.

Well anyone not called Donald Trump.

 

[metalslimer]

Yeah. I haven't been this depressed for a while. What this election means for this country... I feel like someone died.

I still haven't left the house. Talked to a bunch of people on Facebook but I can't leave.

It doesn't help the weather is gloomy as fuck.

 

[Black Mamba]

Yeah. I haven't been this depressed for a while. What this election means for this country... I feel like someone died.

Lady liberty did

 

[pigeon]

No more coronations; no more backstage selections. She can fight it fair and square in 2020 just like everyone else.

Yup. This is the future. Get rid of the systems that were specifically set up to promote minorities and women in the Democratic Party. Let it go right back to its white male roots. You want progressive values? This is how you get them. Talk about class, not about race, not about gender, not about GLBT. Those people will have to fend for themselves.

It's sad how easy this stuff is to see coming.

 

[Slacker]

According to CNN, Hillary lost because she went way too far to the left and turned off white people

Or as the rest of the world would put it, almost made it to the center.

 

[mo60]

Voter suppression laws are only going to get stronger though.

They can't suppress the vote forever. They are really vulnerable in some states in the south/west right now including AZ which may be ripe for the taking by democrats in the future.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Talk about class, not about race, not about gender, not about GLBT. Those people will have to fend for themselves.

They better still vote with white liberals and socialists though!

They probably shouldn't bother with primaries in the South anymore. Or really primaries with black people. Not much point really. They all need a lesson from the Milford School.

 

[Slacker]

I will hold on to hope that this results triggers the FLOTUS to run in 4 years.. I know its not going to happen, but I NEED SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!

Kinda feels like we might need to put up a white male the next couple cycles until America dislodges its head from its ass.

 

[sphagnum]

Yup. This is the future. Get rid of the systems that were specifically set up to promote minorities and women in the Democratic Party. Let it go right back to its white male roots. You want progressive values? This is how you get them. Talk about class, not about race, not about gender, not about GLBT. Those people will have to fend for themselves.

It's sad how easy this stuff is to see coming.

I'm kind of confused about how you got to there from what Crab said.

 

[Jeels]

The GOP got lucky. They probably cannot pull a trump like strategy again to win future presidencies.

If young people keep not showing up and minorities are less than enthused to vote after this defeat, they most certainly can.

The alt-right isn't going away even if some of these older folks die off. The alt-right is filled with loud young idiots.

 

[Black Mamba]

We'd have been better off had Hillary won in 08



Also blue dog dems fucked us hard. The stimulus was too small. The aca wasn't enough.

The dems tried to play nice in 09 and it destroyed the long term viability of the progressive movement.

Worst part is they all lost anyway.

They should have gone hard left when they had the chance. It was a once in a generation chance and we went for incremental change when the time called for radical change. I see that now.

 

[Trouble]

They better still vote with white liberals and socialists though!

I think a really dangerous trend that needs to be avoided is heaping blame upon the Obama coalition for not turning with 2012 numbers. Keeping it 1600 flirted a bit with that today and I think it's really counter-productive.