They have no choice but to. The republicans have all the tools they need now to annihilate FDR's legacy.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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You might be. What about women? How different would their outcome be?
There is no significant difference from my perspective between an intersectional political party that loses and a progressive but racist political party that wins. Either way, racism wins.
This was not a landslide repudiation of the Democratic agenda. This was a race won -- and lost -- on the margins.
Chasing the WWC fantasy is far riskier than bolstering the current coalition -- and actually making sure it turns out in the next election. (also, we know this coalition is growing, and the trump coalition is shrinking)
Chasing the WWC fantasy is far riskier than bolstering the current coalition -- and actually making sure it turns out in the next election. (also, we know this coalition is growing, and the trump coalition is shrinking)
whyamihere
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I laughed.
Oh, that's fantastic. That spineless, feckless woman should never hold any office. That goes to many of the GOP senators that actually did win too.
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More or less, yeah.
Pyroclastic
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seems like the new normal to me! /s
that's sad to hear if there's a source for that though.
The scary part is if he pulls a george bush 2.0 and wins the popular vote in 2020. His margin of victory in those states may be closer to iowa and ohio then.
Democrats need to come out with a viciousness I don't know we possess in the midterms. 2020 can easily be a blowout if Trump drops the ball hard.
There are a few things giving me hope right now, in the long term:
-Hillary won the popular vote.
-The DNC has now been made painfully aware that MI and WI are important states to campaign in. Plus, his wins in PA and FL were really slim.
-There were actually less votes for Trump than McCain or Romney - he won because there wasn't enthusiasm for Clinton. And whoever runs in 2020 will inevitably have much less baggage than Clinton simply by not being in the public eye for 30 years.
I know, I know, you can counter all of these with "what if??????" but at least it's enough for me to think that things aren't completely hopeless and that I can get through this one day at a time until 2020.
-Hillary won the popular vote.
-The DNC has now been made painfully aware that MI and WI are important states to campaign in. Plus, his wins in PA and FL were really slim.
-There were actually less votes for Trump than McCain or Romney - he won because there wasn't enthusiasm for Clinton. And whoever runs in 2020 will inevitably have much less baggage than Clinton simply by not being in the public eye for 30 years.
I know, I know, you can counter all of these with "what if??????" but at least it's enough for me to think that things aren't completely hopeless and that I can get through this one day at a time until 2020.
Coriolanus
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Right now? No. Regardless of who's leading it. The tories is the only party that gained support after brexit, and all the others are still trying to find out what the fuck they can do to chip at it, since even the Lib Dems stance of "we aint brexiting" failed to accrue them any additional support whatsoever.
andthebeatgoeson
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How did he turn NAFTA into an issue?
That just makes me feel worse. If things just went slightly differently we could have been waking up to a president Clinton.
There's a middle ground between that and having someone who gave debate questions to one of the candidates as the DNC chair.
There was a problem with the way Hillary was coronated. We are going to have to deal with it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So, maybe Crab can explain why Russ Feingold and Zephyr Teachout got less votes than Hillary Clinton running on a platform much like you think the Dems should, and why Kander got way more votes than Clinton?
Yep. That is where some of the southern/western states hilary barely lost in this election come in. Whoever is the next democratic candidate needs to focus on flipping some of these states plus trying to win back a midwest state or two. Focusing just on the midwest won't result in the democrats winning the presidency in 2020.
Blamed it for job losses in the workforce.
Part of me thinks the rules will change when they control everything, just like they did with GWB. The Tea Party wasn't really a thing back then, though. They could actually fuck it up for the Republicans, because a big infrastructure spending bill could actually have a big stimulus effect on those that voted in Trump.
Rust belt voters are anti-trade. They think a lot of the manufacturing job loss was due to trade deals shipping jobs overseas and Trump told them what they wanted to hear
RastaMentality
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So shit like "English Official Language" bills and flag burning amendments are on the table now right? jesus christ
andthebeatgoeson
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http://theundefeated.com/features/m...lary-clinton-but-shocked-by-donald-trump-win/
A civil engineering student didn't vote but was concerned when it started to look bad.
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I'm sorry, I'm just incredulous and really, shit is just flying out of me. He focused more on NAFTA than tpp and just hammered it.
Doc Holliday
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Having a drink at work with other depressed new yorkers.
Guys, We need to regroup and keep fighting the good fight.
USA made it through the civil war, WWII, the 60s, Bush W, and The Great depression...
We can survive Trump!
Guys, We need to regroup and keep fighting the good fight.
USA made it through the civil war, WWII, the 60s, Bush W, and The Great depression...
We can survive Trump!
excelsiorlef
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Reagan and the end of that Presidency left the whole country devastated just not emotionally.
neurosisxeno
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Trade Issues became a bigger deal than most Democrats expected. A lot of those Rust Belt States blame Trade Deals for factories closing despite the fact that a lot of that was due to automation and a shrinking workforce.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Rob Portman, Ron Johnson, and Patrick Toomey all won in the Rust Belt last night and all are wildly pro free trade.
Kinda feeling this on the blue wall... all the money spent in Ohio, Iowa, NC... and they had problems that bad with no knowledge?
we didn't even get near a record amount of people voting. The low turn out shocks me.
Pyroclastic
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it will take them a generation to become a genuine third party force again but there has been some small progress. they got a twenty percent swing in the witney byelection The richmond by election could be huge for them.
We definitely can. The unfortunate truth is that it's going to get worse before it gets better, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
whyamihere
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looooool
Dubbedinenglish
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Because the Mexicans and Chinese took American jobs!
Fenderputty
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Basically. I have three friends that align with me. I work in Orange County and my friends from youth have all become deplorables. Ones even educated!
neurosisxeno
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This is going to be seen as the biggest failure of the Clinton campaign. The math was all in their favor but they wanted to run the board and flip states, so rather than ensuring they spent time in PA, MI, WI--which alone would have ensured a win--they spent all their time in Ohio, NC, Iowa, and Florida, even going so far as to spend a ton of time and money in AZ, GA, and SC.
I think somebody posted it today, but it seems they'll make it tough for anyone to want to come here and build a life while also giving people a reason to go elsewhere with this sort of policy.
Mobius and pet octopus
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We'll survive Trump but we need to come out stronger, better than we were before.
I think everyone needs to focus a bit less on rhetoric and a bit more on learning about the issues that both sides care about rather than just focusing on one side's complaints. This election has been too divided, in part (imo) because of the endless attacks from both parties and an unwillingness to listen to the issues of the other side.
I thought Kander ran like 15 points ahead of Clinton in MO?
andthebeatgoeson
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Remember when we said how good the movie about this election would be?
metalslimer
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We will get through this but it will take decades of work to undo the effects of this especially in regards to the environment.
After gaf crashed last night I went to bed because I just couldn't take it anymore. Woke up to what I expected. Bleh.
Goodbye my health insurance come January 20th. I looked up how much my daily meds cost and god, it'll be close to half a thousand a month just for three pills. Fuck.
Goodbye my health insurance come January 20th. I looked up how much my daily meds cost and god, it'll be close to half a thousand a month just for three pills. Fuck.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oops, accidentally an extra not there, I'll fix it.
I didn't sleep much last night but I think I've reached acceptance. My grief has been replaced by morbid curiosity as to how the fuck this is actually going to work. A lot of people's lives are going to be appreciably worse but there's fuck all I can do about it. May as well strap in.
The lesson that democrats need to learn out of this is that charisma is a non-negotiable in any presidential candidate. If they can credibly lay status to some sort of outsider status all the better. Policy knowledge and political experience - especially political experience in Washington - are unhelpful at best and actively detrimental at worst. Look at the democratic candidates since 1992: gore, Kerry and Clinton are all extremely qualified, realistic, intelligent. But they're boring. They can't sell a narrative. By contrast bill was a known sex pest before he won, and was basically a republican lite. Yet he cleaned up the democratic base - minorities included - as well as working class whites. Obama was a first term senator that won on airy fairy three word slogans and bullshit. Despite both of them being career politicians, they managed to claim outsider status.
People want rhetoric and they want hope. Believe it or not trump's MAGA is basically a right wing version of hope and change. A lot of the white rural voters that came out the woodwork this year voted for Obama in 08. It's deluded, and I think unethical to sell something that can't possibly be delivered, but it is what it is.
The lesson that democrats need to learn out of this is that charisma is a non-negotiable in any presidential candidate. If they can credibly lay status to some sort of outsider status all the better. Policy knowledge and political experience - especially political experience in Washington - are unhelpful at best and actively detrimental at worst. Look at the democratic candidates since 1992: gore, Kerry and Clinton are all extremely qualified, realistic, intelligent. But they're boring. They can't sell a narrative. By contrast bill was a known sex pest before he won, and was basically a republican lite. Yet he cleaned up the democratic base - minorities included - as well as working class whites. Obama was a first term senator that won on airy fairy three word slogans and bullshit. Despite both of them being career politicians, they managed to claim outsider status.
People want rhetoric and they want hope. Believe it or not trump's MAGA is basically a right wing version of hope and change. A lot of the white rural voters that came out the woodwork this year voted for Obama in 08. It's deluded, and I think unethical to sell something that can't possibly be delivered, but it is what it is.
eddievanclaylen
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Just when I thought I could quit drinking too.
Thanks Trump!
Thanks Trump!
Also, the corporate sector will revolt if that means eliminating H1B visas.
So, actually, this is a tweetstorm worth reading:
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/796465102941782017
I could quote it all but I decided not to, not because I don't value your time, but because of economic issues that seemed more important to me. So click the link.
The tl;dr is that Comey destroyed Hillary's chances. He toppled Hillary's support, cut into her turnout among Democrats, and activated Republicans.
So that's bad.
The bright spot at least is that maybe an intersectional candidate can win again in America, if the FBI and Russia don't work together to destroy her.
And if an intersectional coalition still exists in America after Trump gets started implementing his agenda.
We'll see.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/796465102941782017
I could quote it all but I decided not to, not because I don't value your time, but because of economic issues that seemed more important to me. So click the link.
The tl;dr is that Comey destroyed Hillary's chances. He toppled Hillary's support, cut into her turnout among Democrats, and activated Republicans.
So that's bad.
The bright spot at least is that maybe an intersectional candidate can win again in America, if the FBI and Russia don't work together to destroy her.
And if an intersectional coalition still exists in America after Trump gets started implementing his agenda.
We'll see.
Dominican Power
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I wonder how hard Hillary cried. I would of balled my eyes out if I was her. That had to be so fucking soul crushing to experience.
The scariest thing I think is that the RNC's data operation is...better than the DNC's? If this is to be believed:
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/796465883342376960
That or Hillary was just hiding very obvious fear.
edit: Just posted.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/796465883342376960
That or Hillary was just hiding very obvious fear.
edit: Just posted.
That is my worry.
While this may not be a great parallel, it reminds me of the New Deal. People often forget that while it gave the country a lot of good social programs and started establishing a safety net, there is a good deal of academia that believes it was intentionally written to exclude poor black people.
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