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[B-Dubs]

My personal delusion is that in every trade deal Trump puts a nuclear strike on the table and makes them a deal they can't refuse. That's how he gets Mexico to pay for the wall.

He's probably going to do that with NATO. He has indicated he thinks NATO is just a protection racket that's not being run by a good enough gangster.

 

[mackaveli]

I can't honestly answer that. I have no idea what I would have done. I don't exist in that timeline, and it would depend on a lot of stuff like how we ran his campaign if he won the primary. And my answer is clouded by the fact that I know how the election we did get turned out, and how plenty of so called "allies" are hiding behind the fact that Clinton wasn't "inspiring" enough or too "flawed" for them to be bothered to show up to vote to protect our rights. If they get that out, why the fuck can't I get it and do the same thing? Why is it only my white heteronormative "allies" that get to play that card? Knowing what I know now, and how we lost this election and the way "allies" are doing their best to justify their not showing up is just clouding my judgment far too much for me to honestly say how I would vote. It's just impossible for me to answer, and it's really impossible to explain the extent of the frustration I feel at this unless your a minority as well and have inherently felt it. It's either something you have, or you don't, something you feel or you don't.

I'm sorry if that answer is unsatisfactory. It doesn't satisfy me myself either and I desperately wish I had something more to give you, but I don't and don't know if I ever will at this point.

I feel ya. Why is it that since Bernie didn't win everyone is like well he would have won easily because he connected well with the rust belt states but then just assume the minority vote is just his automatically and that its in their best interests to support sanders and not trump. Can't the same be said of Clinton. Well isn't it the best interest for white liberals to not protest and to just go with Clinton.

 

[Jackson50]

I nearly choked on the bile rising from my stomach when Paul Ryan declared that Trump had won a mandate. Only in America can you lose the race yet receive first prize. And this seems to be the rule of Trump's life.

This is yet another instance where the will of the people has been circumvented by an anachronistic legal ordinance from the eighteenth century. An ordinance designed to appease slaveholding interests in the South who would not have otherwise ratified the Constitution. The need for electoral reform has never been more evident than after last night's election. After a divisive election, our nation will be governed by a president who not only failed to secure the support of the majority of voters, but his opponent received more votes than him. Popular sovereignty is the bedrock of our Republic. The right of the people to determine their rulers is a sacred principle. Yet out of a legitimate interest to protect the rights of minorities, a perverse rule has emerged where a minority of citizens can elect an executive to represent the entire nation. This undemocratic practice has occurred twice in the past five elections. Is this an aberration, or a chilling trend for our democracy? If reason were to rule, we could obviate this problem entirely. There are alternative methods to ensure that the person elected to represent our nation receives the support of the majority of voters. If we wish to strengthen the integrity and legitimacy of our institutions, we must ensure that our president reflects the consensus of the American people.

 

[The Technomancer]

Sweet jesus that hate crime thread is a bloodbath of bannings. Though I guess if such persons are more likely to show themselves in daily life it makes sense they'd be more inclined to now online as well.

GAF for sanctuary forum! As in, a sanctuary from obnoxious racists. That shouldn't be particularly controversial?

I honestly didn't expect it to get that bad. I was just seeing my Twitter feed light up with the stuff and I had to share it

 

[UltimaPooh]

I can't honestly answer that. I have no idea what I would have done. I don't exist in that timeline, and it would depend on a lot of stuff like how we ran his campaign if he won the primary. And my answer is clouded by the fact that I know how the election we did get turned out, and how plenty of so called "allies" are hiding behind the fact that Clinton wasn't "inspiring" enough or too "flawed" for them to be bothered to show up to vote to protect our rights. If they get that out, why the fuck can't I get it and do the same thing? Why is it only my white heteronormative "allies" that get to play that card? Knowing what I know now, and how we lost this election and the way "allies" are doing their best to justify their not showing up is just clouding my judgment far too much for me to honestly say how I would vote. It's just impossible for me to answer, and it's really impossible to explain the extent of the frustration I feel at this unless your a minority as well and have inherently felt it. It's either something you have, or you don't, something you feel or you don't.

I'm sorry if that answer is unsatisfactory. It doesn't satisfy me myself either and I desperately wish I had something more to give you, but I don't and don't know if I ever will at this point.

It's all good. I think it's a great answer. You have a good point there. Sorry other allies didn't turn out for you... I did if it means anything.

I hope progressivism hasn't lost you. We're down but not out. 2018 will be here soon enough and I am mad as hell. This huge block of voters that are fine with racism/sexism enough to vote for Trump will come to reckon. I will never let people that I personally know forget that they voted for that and they were fine with it. Lines have been drawn clearly in the sand at this point.

 

[mo60]

I just can't wrap my head around all this.

One day in. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan discuss how they'll be ready to unify the GOP around a Trump administration, which will presumably include Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani , both who should be investigated .

How is this anti establishment again? How are his voters not already angry and understanding that they were bamboozled?

Can we realistically expect a civil war within the party to take place?

Maybe in a. few years from now.

 

[TyrantII]

He isn't what these people wanted. Good grief.
She isn't either. They just lose in different way. These people want MAGA. The want a wall. They want a Muslim ban.

They don't care about your pot or your Glass Steagall or Citizens United.

This is just what you want.

GOP turnout is flat. Trump won with less votes than McCain or Romney.

Who are "these people"?. Because if it's the GOP Trumpets, it's the same people that voted in three elections in relatively the same numbers*

*OH and to an extent PA was a little more party jumpers. But wouldn't have mattered if those 6 million missing Dems voted.

 

[MetalGearZed]

I can't wait to see the dumb looks on deplorables faces when Trump:
Doesn't ban all muslims
Doesn't build all wall on the mexican border
Doesn't hire a special prosecutor to indict Hillary

 

[shinra-bansho]

No, don't spread this lie. This isn't a an ALT right statement. Neither candidate got more votes then Romney in 2012. What happened is they saw the map and saw how Reagan won and duplicated it, they played off fears in the rust belt and basically sold them on jobs jobs jobs. Hillary ignored a bunch of those states, combined with democrats just not giving a shit.

Here we are.

Wtf at the bolded.

Meanwhile, good luck winning back the Rust Belt with the magic panacea of socialism.

 

[DrForester]

I love this man...

And I simultaneously hate him for not running.

 

[excelsiorlef]

And another thing if people honestly believe the path for success in the future is to focus on almost exclusively lost white votes in the rust belt.

If you think the moral of this election is that we need to focus less on minority issues and women's issues and gun control...

I have fucking news for you, you aren't going to win the next election either...

Because if you let all that fall to the wayside...


Then yes both parties will in fact be the same.

So go ahead... abandon the only people who try and save your asses.

 

[shinra-bansho]

GOP turnout is flat. Trump won with less votes than McCain or Romney.

Who are "these people"?. Because if it's the GOP Trumpets, it's the same people that voted in three elections in relatively the same numbers*

*OH and to an extent PA was a little more party jumpers. But would have mattered if those 6 million missing Dems voted.

The Trumpets are not perfect replica of the Rmoneys. The absolute number does not mean he captured the same vote through the same drivers.

I don't need to mince words. The people that drove Trump to victory did so explicitly on the basis of bigotry. Or acceptance of bigotry.

 

[Grief.exe]

I can't wait to see the dumb looks on deplorables faces when Trump:
Doesn't ban all muslims
Doesn't build all wall on the mexican border
Doesn't hire a special prosecutor to indict Hillary

The reality is, these guys don't actually care about any of this.

They just wanted someone to send a message, and they did that. None of these particular policies will have any effect on their lives or anyone they know.

 

[Dierce]

I love this man...

And I simultaneously hate him for not running.

How can we live in a world where we go from this to the opposite evil extreme in the matter or 4 years. I will never grasp the ignorance and disdain in people.

 

[Teggy]

I wrote my mom and dad an nasty email titled "I hope you're happy" last night before bed and just quickly said that racists and anti-semites would be running the country for at least the next 4 years. My parents are basically scared to go to Europe on vacation right now because they think there is too much antisemitism. Mom wrote back that she thought she raised me better than to send an email like that and that there is no evidence that Trump is racist or anti-Semitic. I quickly listed off 4 or 5 very obvious racist and anti-semitic ties the campaign has. I'm sure she won't listen, she just thinks Hillary is the devil because she lied to Benghazi mom. Whatever we will just go to Thanksgiving and won't speak of politics for the next 4 years.

 

[Psychoward]

FOUND IT: http://www.chicksontheright.com/open-letter-whiny-safe-space-liberals-crying-racist-sexist-country/

thanks i love garbage

she's still going in the comments

"it concerns me that you can come here and question how I feel as a woman who elected a president who has been accused of sexual assault, but not convicted. When you voted for the candidate who stood by her lying and cheating her husband. Her husband who too has been accused of many sexual assaults. How does that make you feel as a woman? Apparently you should just sit back and admit defeat according to Secretary Clinton. Apparently you should go
Home to your husband who has committed one of the biggest sins! She has been striving for political power her entire life. It's all she cares about. She has changed her views based solely on what people want to hear. Trump has remained true to himself and his beliefs the entire time. She can't make up her mind on what to think. Today is a sad day for our country. But it's sad because people are taking to violence over president elect Donald Trump. I respect you as a voter and as a human being, and it is my hope that one day all of you can show that respect in return."

white women you let me down this election

 

[UltimaPooh]

And another thing if people honestly believe the path for success in the future is to focus on almost exclusively on lost white votes in the rust belt.

If oyu think the moral of this election is that we need to focus less on minority issues and women's issues and gun control...

I have fucking news for you, you aren't going to win the next election either...

Because if you let all that fall to the wayside...


Then yes both parties will in face be the same.

Totally agree with this. We don't need to shy away from identity politics. Half this country is wrong in what should be valued and we need to remind them of that day in and day out.

 

[benjipwns]

an anachronistic legal ordinance from the eighteenth century.

Ah yes, the law.

a perverse rule has emerged where a minority of citizens can elect an executive to represent the entire nation.

A minority of citizens have elected every executive that has ever served.

our nation will be governed by a president who not only failed to secure the support of the majority of voters

It's looking like that's going to be the case even if we went by the popular vote. Much like 1992, 1996 and 2000.

An ordinance designed to appease slaveholding interests in the South who would not have otherwise ratified the Constitution.

Other way around, no? Smaller northern states wanted a body of equal representation.

The Electoral College wasn't really a regional thing, the slave holding states would have won the national popular vote before 1800. (Assuming an equal % of voting and blah blah blah.)

 

[Totakeke]

I love this man...

And I simultaneously hate him for not running.

Sigh.

 

[thehypocrite]

Wtf at the bolded.

Meanwhile, good luck winning back the Rust Belt with the magic panacea of socialism.

The Rust belt can be won by denouncing trade, corporations and elites.

 

[TyrantII]

The Trumpets are not perfect replica of the Rmoneys. The absolute number does not mean he captured the same vote through the same drivers.

I don't need to mince words. The people that drove Trump to victory did so explicitly on the basis of bigotry. Or acceptance of bigotry.

Of course there will be some trade in/out of who voted.

But this was the teaparty. Or Palin admirers. Mostly. And yes, they are and have always been bigoted and complain about blacks in cities getting welfare while using iPhones.

The point is, there was no wave. There was no massive block of minds changed. They bid their time and voted steadily untill Dems were too busy or too apathetic to turn out and protect Obama's progressive legacy.

 

[Debirudog]

...I like trade...

 

[Psychoward]

The Rust belt can be won by denouncing trade, corporations and elites.

from a businessman who's the head of a corporation and the definition of an elite

sigh

 

[Sirpopopop]

The Rust belt can be won by denouncing trade, corporations and elites.

John Kerry did well in the Rust Belt while being married to a Heinz ketchup heiress.

How does that fit into your rubric?

 

[Debirudog]

from a businessman who's the head of a corporation and the definition of an elite

sigh

shit makes no sense at all.

 

[neurosisxeno]

from a businessman who's the head of a corporation and the definition of an elite

sigh

We're going to fight income inequality, our chosen champion is a Billionaire who lives in a Golden Skyscraper with his own name all over it in the most expensive real estate market in the world.

 

[Joe]

Listening to a Brookings Institute podcast and one of the guests suggested Ted Cruz as an under-the-radar candidate for the Supreme Court. He would get fast-tracked through a nomination process, he's a strict conservative, well-versed in the constitution, and his colleagues would be eager to get him off the political stage.

 

[benjipwns]

...I like trade...

Yeah, but other people benefit from it and that's not fair.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Listening to a Brookings Institute podcast and one of the guests suggested Ted Cruz as an under-the-radar candidate for the Supreme Court. He would get fast-tracked through a nomination process, he's a strict conservative, well-versed in the constitution, and his colleagues would be eager to get him off the political stage.

Horrific.

 

[ShironRedshift]

The Rust belt can be won by denouncing trade, corporations and elites.

And if both candidates are doing that, which is pretty much the situation you're proposing? Like, in 2020, assuming Trump keeps the same platform and the D's just do the same thing as him on those issues? What's the tiebreaking factor that will decide who's side they go to in that case and be the real thing that decides who wins and who doesn't? Hint: It'll be the racism, again, since that will be the core thing that sets them apart in that circumstance. And the people have very clearly spoken about how they really feel about that.

 

[Makai]

Yeah, but other people benefit from it and that's not fair.

haha

 

[Suikoguy]

Yeah, but other people benefit from it and that's not fair.

lol, but honestly I get trade now, where at the beginning of this election I did not.

I mean, I knew what it was, but it's far smarter to fight with it than try to fight against it. There are no tools to control it in this connected world now.

 

[Spider from Mars]

I am driving myself insane because I can not stop obsessing over this. Politics has been such a large part of my identity since I was a teenager, I've been involved in volunteering at the local level, campaigns, obsessively reading about foreign and domestic policy, studying to become a foreign service officer, etc. This election and considering the potential consequences that will reverberate for decades is consuming me and I wish I could turn it off

 

[thehypocrite]

from a businessman who's the head of a corporation and the definition of an elite

sigh

 

[Psychoward]

We're going to fight income inequality, our chosen champion is a Billionaire who lives in a Golden Skyscraper with his own name all over it in the most expensive real estate market in the world.

classic

 

[Debirudog]

Oh god, Trump, anything but Lyin' Ted.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Oh god, Trump, anything but Lyin' Ted.

Gonna be Judgin' Ted soon enough.

 

[thehypocrite]

And if both candidates are doing that, which is pretty much the situation you're proposing? Like, in 2020, assuming Trump keeps the same platform and the D's just do the same thing? What's the tiebreaking factor that will decide who's side they go to in that case and be the real thing that decides who wins and who doesn't? Hint: It'll be the racism, again, since that will be the core thing that sets them apart in that circumstance. And the people have very clearly spoken about how they really feel about that.

Trump has to deliver, if he does than no chance of winning and we need to wait for demographics to change while fighting voter restriction laws and gerrymandering or hit the lottery with a straight white male charismatic candidate coming out of nowhere.

John Kerry did well in the Rust Belt while being married to a Heinz ketchup heiress.

How does that fit into your rubric?

Is not 2004 anymore. We have President Trump. This isn't same old same.

 

[mo60]

And another thing if people honestly believe the path for success in the future is to focus on almost exclusively lost white votes in the rust belt.

If you think the moral of this election is that we need to focus less on minority issues and women's issues and gun control...

I have fucking news for you, you aren't going to win the next election either...

Because if you let all that fall to the wayside...


Then yes both parties will in fact be the same.

So go ahead... abandon the only people who try and save your asses.

Like I said before the southwest,southeast and the west are the regions for growth in the future for the democratic party.

 

[TyrantII]

The Rust belt can be won by denouncing trade, corporations and elites.

We can't win the rust belt till we know where the Democrats went and why they stayed home. They didn't go to the GOP.

It could very well be Hillarys ties to wallstreet, or it could be something else. Her lack of campaigning could have out then into a complacent lul. How was the GOTV effort in those "safe" states?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Oh god, Trump, anything but Lyin' Ted.

How about Peter Thiel

This is the Trump Presidency in a nutshell, any "anyone but them" does in fact have a just as bad option.

 

[benjipwns]

Mike Lee was actually on that list Trump put out.

But that was before Cruz finally endorsed him.

IIRC, the list actually had like two "well, okay" choices on it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Denouncing corporations like the Trump Organisation. Elites like the billionaire President who flies around on a gold toilet eating KFC with silver cutlery. And trade like Chinese steel to build Trump buildings.

That sure works.

Maybe instead just accept that you can't manufacture competitively enough and/or automation and efficiency has made these jobs redundant.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Peter Thiel is a much worse option than Ted Cruz, it's amazing.

Thiel is a justice who could enable dictatorship.

 

[Ihyll]

How much did Trump's celebrity status help him win?

Apply Trump's non existent policy to another generic politician and he doesn't win imo.

 

[Debirudog]

How about Peter Thiel

This is the Trump Presidency in a nutshell, any "anyone but them" does in fact have a just as bad option.

We're fucked either way...ugh.

 

[Grief.exe]

How much did Trump's celebrity status help him win?

Apply Trump's non existent policy to another generic politician and he doesn't win imo.

We already experienced that reality in the Republican primaries.

 

[benjipwns]

Jeez, it's certainly not this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hardiman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donal...candidates#Names_mentioned_as_likely_nominees

Originalist law professor Ilya Somin and [l]ibertarian author Damon Root have each argued that Trump cannot be trusted to appoint judges from his list, and that Trump would likely instead nominate judges who support aspects of his agenda such as expanding executive power, expanding the use of eminent domain, and applying stop and frisk tactics more vigorously.

based Ilya and Damon

this Moreno guy might have been one who wasn't so bad:

Moreno ruled that plaintiffs who were health plan subscribers could proceed with Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act fraud claims against Aetna, Cigna, United Healthcare and Humana.

 

[ShironRedshift]

Nevermind, not relevant anymore.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Peter Thiel is a much worse option than Ted Cruz, it's amazing.

Thiel is a justice who could enable dictatorship.

Exactly.