thehypocrite
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Not by a candidate that was in favor of NAFTA, Nobody listened to Hillary's policies cause she represents everything they dislike about politics.
Elite, pro-corporation, pro-wallstreet, pro-trade, establishment darling, etc.
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Not by a candidate that was in favor of NAFTA, Nobody listened to Hillary's policies cause she represents everything they dislike about politics.
Elite, pro-corporation, pro-wallstreet, pro-trade, establishment darling, etc.
A couple of things about this election result.
I'm in Canada and just wonder how if NAFTA is gone what that means between Canada and US relations and in general for Canada?
Also, why is it that people complain about JOBS JOBS JOBS. Is there not 5.5 million job openings right now in the US?
http://www.bls.gov/jlt/
"Job openings were little changed at 5.5 million on the last business day of September. Hires edged down to 5.1 million, and total separations were little changed at 4.9 million. The quits rate was unchanged at 2.1 percent, and the layoffs and discharges rate decreased to 1.0 percent."
Like I always see these numbers every month since I like to follow the stock market. So are there not a bunch of jobs out there for people to get but it's more of a skills gap? Or people aren't applying? Like why are there these many jobs available? Why is there nothing to do to get these jobs filled with people who need jobs through training or education or whatever? Republican obstructionism?
Or is there not really 5.5 million job openings and I'm reading the stat wrong?
I'm in Canada and just wonder how if NAFTA is gone what that means between Canada and US relations and in general for Canada?
Also, why is it that people complain about JOBS JOBS JOBS. Is there not 5.5 million job openings right now in the US?
http://www.bls.gov/jlt/
"Job openings were little changed at 5.5 million on the last business day of September. Hires edged down to 5.1 million, and total separations were little changed at 4.9 million. The quits rate was unchanged at 2.1 percent, and the layoffs and discharges rate decreased to 1.0 percent."
Like I always see these numbers every month since I like to follow the stock market. So are there not a bunch of jobs out there for people to get but it's more of a skills gap? Or people aren't applying? Like why are there these many jobs available? Why is there nothing to do to get these jobs filled with people who need jobs through training or education or whatever? Republican obstructionism?
Or is there not really 5.5 million job openings and I'm reading the stat wrong?
ryutaro's mama
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How so?
shinra-bansho
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Corporations employ people. And trade barrier reduction provides net benefit for national economies. Interconnected economies are also a source of global stability.
The so-called elite in this election was born poor as fuck.
I can't believe "pro-trade" without even the qualifier of liberalisation is now a bad word to what's supposed to be the party of reason.
He said that giving voting rights to women was a mistake, among other things.
I can't imagine even the most conservative supreme court denying voting rights to half the population, but still. You know Ted Cruz wouldn't even entertain that shit.
The lengths to which you have to chase this discussion should be a clue that this is an explanation in search of evidence.
It should not be surprising that, following a huge loss, all the people who refused to contribute or organize to help defeat white nationalism now have strong opinions as to why we were unable to do so, which happen to line up with the things they wanted from us in the first place in order to get their support.
thehypocrite
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You need to travel to the non urban center areas of MI, PA, WI and OH to get it. When I did, I wondered what are these people doing for work? There's nothing there. Plus, even though I agree that trade is a net benefit on a global scale the relocation trauma was grossly understated. Thus, you have many communities where all that's left is the history of a better time, the past, that's why they would cling to fucking #MAGA and Hillary was a bad candidate to give them an inspiring reason not to do so.
metalslimer
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I just have to say thank you for continuing to post. It's keeping me somewhat sane. If Democrats focus less on minority issues to get the WWC voter I think I would actually consider moving because I'll know there is nothing left here for me.
Why did she oppose the TPP if it was the party of reason? Certain voters are disproportionately affected by trade, and she recognized she needed to court them, thus opposing TPP. But she carried the baggage of NAFTA and previously supporting TPP. Even her strongest supporters here are making pro-trade and pro-TPP arguments when her public platform was anti-TPP. If even her supporters didn't buy that she was actually anti-trade, general voters definitely did not buy her newfound anti-TPP rhetoric.
Ziltoidia 9
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Trump having the ability to imprison anyone indefinitely without a trial.... Anyone got a time bomb?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
If it has some research behind it, post it to medium with a writeup.
CrazedProfessional
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welp my little facebook feud ended with her telling me I'm just as hateful as the man I'm arguing about and to calm down and to stop insulting her for her beliefs and then she blocked me
straight white america is going to give me an aneurysm
straight white america is going to give me an aneurysm
That sounds like not a bad idea.
ryutaro's mama
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Time just drags...so I will ask a question. Excuse me if already asked and answered:
What do we think contributed most to the 5m vote falloff from 2012?
1) Apathy in the candidate
2) Bernie Busters /Never Hillary liberals
3) Voter suppression
What do we think contributed most to the 5m vote falloff from 2012?
1) Apathy in the candidate
2) Bernie Busters /Never Hillary liberals
3) Voter suppression
thehypocrite
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I agree, with you, the evidence supports the net benefit effect of trade. but that isn't everything. Democrats need to talk about the fact that relocation trauma was grossly underestimated and own that, that it also enables corporations to avoid paying a fair amount of taxes, thus causing austerity. That enables financial markets to cripple the world when a wall street full of cocaine and hookers gambled beyond their means cause they knew that they could get away with it and they did, without punishment.
Own that shit, cause is also true.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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We haven't counted the votes from California yet.
Dubbedinenglish
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More of 1 & 3 tbh. There is a pretty clear line of flipped states with voting laws enacted.
excelsiorlef
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TheAbsolution
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This black dude on CNN is getting heated. Damn!
Psychoward
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ryutaro's mama
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Super charismatic but a bit slimey.
ROFL. why is that?
BreezyLimbo
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So there's nothing we can do, huh. dems will basically be dead in the water for the senate and they won't be able to block anything. If they move to repeal most of obamas orders and anything to climate change, we're just fucked aren't we?
excelsiorlef
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His thesis was democracy died with women suffrage and welfare.
Peter Thiel is a horrible man.
benjipwns
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He's a completely public figure as President though.
More accurately he had written that "capitalist democracy" was rendered an "oxymoron" starting around 1920.
He also said that hippies took over the country and ended cultural progress in the 1970s.
He also says smart things:
An old, outdated one, sure.
Correct. That only reinforces the need to implement a system that requires consensus.
No? It was a compromise. So of course it had to entice the northern states. But one of the overriding considerations was the need to mollify slaveholding interests. Madison spoke to this. A popular vote, which he favored, was not viable because it ignored the slave population. So you mix a population-based system mixed with a 3/5 compromise, and the EC becomes palatable.
Psychoward
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So how does he expect gay rights to suddenly stop being a partisan issue? The party he supports is the party that's against gay rights.
I don't think economic populism is the answer to the vote numbers but there are issues that need to be adopted from Sanders and Warren that are good in themselves without needing to believe it'll do everything to flip rust belt states. Democrats haven't dealt properly with the core of the economics problems, and that is the massive fraud and destruction of wealth by the large financial institutions, the officers getting away with it relatively freely. Whether the minimum wage is at 12 or 15 is inconsequential compared to this.
The "white people" hand wringing seems odd too when the simplest explanation is that Hillary had too much baggage. I'm not saying Bernie would have won either. Noting white people are racist isn't a particularly interesting observation. Obama seemed to be pretty well positioned to outperform the "racist vote" however you define it comfortably, and he was smart enough to manage his email a bit better. Need a better candidate, Cuban 2020.
The "white people" hand wringing seems odd too when the simplest explanation is that Hillary had too much baggage. I'm not saying Bernie would have won either. Noting white people are racist isn't a particularly interesting observation. Obama seemed to be pretty well positioned to outperform the "racist vote" however you define it comfortably, and he was smart enough to manage his email a bit better. Need a better candidate, Cuban 2020.
I'd say focusing on the presidency has been a mistake. A presidency is too fickle to base the future on the nation on. Democrats need a bottom up approach and that's with the house and senate.
Unfortunately I have no idea how that could feasibly happen given the gerrymandering and the demographic shifts. Why would liberals want to live in rural america. Asking people to move back is not feasible. The system is rigged.
Unfortunately I have no idea how that could feasibly happen given the gerrymandering and the demographic shifts. Why would liberals want to live in rural america. Asking people to move back is not feasible. The system is rigged.
ryutaro's mama
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He has a hint of used car salesman to him.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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... This is not a smart thing Benji!
There was lots of progress and opinion changing with total rejection from one of the two political parties.
At least we don't have to worry about being interned in FEMA camps.
benjipwns
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He was arguing that it shouldn't be a partisan issue because it should be crystal fucking clear that gay rights and gay marriage is the right position. The parties using it against one another is dumb.
Should be, is different than is.
I have no idea why Thiel switched to supporting Carly and then Trump this year. I guess he was tired of losing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Samantha Bee has arrived at just the right time in history that she could either end up in Gitmo or be the most popular politician comedian in America thanks to liberal backlash.
Either way, she'll go down a legend.
So there's that!
Either way, she'll go down a legend.
So there's that!
Kevitivity
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This has probably been posted already, but I think it needs more attention.
Bernie Sanders's statement on the Trump win is very classy and accurate IMO.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-trump
Bernie Sanders's statement on the Trump win is very classy and accurate IMO.
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-trump
Thanks, white male! Glad you could come by to tell me more about Bernie Sanders! Do you think he would have done better in the election this year?
The hero we fucking needed.... thanks HillGAF!
Part of me feels vindicated for being a Bernie supporter, but I just feel hollow. Not like this....
benjipwns
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I think you're ignoring the possibility that Sanders could have had both the Democratic AND Green Party nomination. That would have been huge!
metalslimer
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That sanders statement makes me even angrier than before. Bernie can never just admit he tapped into racism.
metalslimer
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The economic anxiety people never have an answer to this.
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