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[whyamihere]

The turnout argument is one that has more credence.
The problem is, I don't think any of these counterfactual candidates do particularly better than Clinton. (That's without even considering the third term factor.)

Biden is no Obama.
Sanders is no Obama.
Unknown man sure as fuck isn't Obama.

They called it an Obama coalition. And it was.

Our base needs to feel inspired to go vote. We didn't.

 

[Fox318]

So they have a better candidate. Then what? These voters are rejecting Clinton, they're rejecting 8 years of Obama, they're rejecting diversity.

Throw an old white man on the ticket who's still saying that yes, Black Lives Matter. Nope. Sorry.

If the argument is that Biden could have turned out enough black people to blunt the tide of Trumpism, I guess I can see it.

But Trump gives these voters a scapegoat, and appeals to their fears, and "economic anxiety."

And they wouldn't have been there for any of these other magical counterfactual candidates either.

You can still reach out to black and minority voters but unless they come out in record numbers (which they didn't) or you have solid responses to issues of race that allow others to empathize with a struggle it isn't going to affect a white family of 6 living in rural Indiana.

If I were to go to run for a seat on inner city board do you think I would get anywhere campaigning on farm subsidies and increasing fiber and broadband internet access?

Even in their VP selection they didnt really consider that block of white voters. They got Kaine because he spoke Spanish and while everyone in here was saying "OH SHE WANTED SOMEBODY SHE COULD GOVERN WITH" an opportunity to select somebody who could defend the voters Trump was trying to eat into.

Maybe Sanders or Tom Vilsack would have been better but her plan with Kaine backfired.

 

[whyamihere]

Obviously I'm still major bummed about the election but I think I'm past the shock for now. (Like on some level I don't think I ever will be, but it happened)

All we can do now is learn from our mistakes and look ahead. We need a likable candidate who can hold onto the Rust Belt before we start talking about the Sun Belt. We were so giddy about finally getting Arizona and Texas et al and never thought about Wisconsin/Michigan until the last second.

Then again I'm not sure if a big money dump there would have helped considering Pennsylvania was ground zero for the Clinton campaign and we still lost it. Winning WI/MI but still losing PA is still a loss anyway. It just needed an entirely different campaign focus.

I'm really annoyed at the Obama coalition that couldn't hold their nose for the lesser of two evils (because we're almost always on the losing side of that equation) but that's what we've always been up against - a firm Republican base that will always show up versus a bigger, but far less reliable Democratic base that will show up when they're in love with a candidate.

Seems like most speculation has centered around Booker and Warren but we really need to see how the next four years shake out. I also don't think the solution is to run a centrist old white man either (Bel Edwards, Bullock). We can win WI/MI/PA more easily by turning out the missing Obama voters than by convincing Trump voters.

Hey bud. Glad to know you're doing well. I'm so sorry. This sucks.

 

[Pixieking]

You can't. Because a large part of people are both showing some racism and genuinely worried about the economy.

But we also know that the counties that had biggest employment growths since 2010 voted 70% for Trump. So, unemployment went down in these counties. But they still voted for Trump, why?

When you ask someone are you worried about the economy, a lot will say yes. But what exactly are they worried about in the economy is the better question to ask.

We need to wait for the updated voter files. I am looking forward to Nate Cohn's write up based on that and not the exit polls.

The polls were shit and so the exit polls will also be shit

*nods* That's fair. There's so many aspects to "the economy", but if people feel worse off (even if they aren't), they'll complain. Currency fluctuations, cost-of-living, cost of business rates... WWC don't know and don't care. They only know they feel worse off.

More needs to be done to have a nuanced conversation about this (and jobs), but fuck knows where you start. Better education system? Under Trump? Pffft. The media need to do more as well, but it's not like the WWC read WaPo or failing NYT.

 

[Diablos]

Hillary lost the election by a combined 200k votes in 3 rust belt states. I don't think saying Biden could have blunted that loss enough to win is being foolish.

I also don't think anyone is thinking the general signs in those states are good. Even if a Biden or Bernie did win them this year, the results would have been down from Obama. Those three states will be safe red sooner or later. Most shockingly, PA might be headed that way the fastest; contrary to what everyone of us believed about the "mythical white whale."

Yeah, turnout in Philly and Allegheny aren't much worse from 2012. It's just that there are so many red counties surrounding it and turning out. I too am a bit concerned that PA is going the way of Ohio, just not quite as fast, i.e. it will genuinely be a swing state and not Safe D.

I still think WI is the one to worry about most? Just look at county maps from 2008, 2012 and 2016. It looks completely different.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Our base needs to feel inspired to go vote. We didn't.

Yes, it's why liberals suck. And lose. You need unicorns. When unicorns are endangered species.

Evangelicals will go out and vote for grabs them by the pussy, doesn't end his acceptance speech with God Bless America, is probably an atheist Trump.

 

[Barzul]

I think it's unlikely that he'd have more appeal to these voters than Trump.
In which case you still lose the Rust Belt to MAGA Muslim ban All Lives Matter.
I don't know how Biden plays in places like Nevada or Virginia.

Also, I agree. Trump has accelerated an already occurring trend. The problem for the Democrats is that this happened before they've shored up enough Latino vote.

You think Biden loses Michigan and Pennsylvania? He has a way broader appeal than Hillary does. He also has a dick. I think a lot of these things really did matter. He might not net a win as large as Obama's but he'd win. NeverTrumpers and soft Trump voters would've embraced him far more easily than they did Clinton. You should hear some of the shit I heard about her at work. Obama was talked about way more positively. High unfavorables + sexism meant depressed turnout, bled votes and consequently a loss. If she only had to deal with the sexism part she could have eked out a win I believe. Nevada and Arizona would've gone his way simply bc of Trumps message he wouldn't have to do anything different from what Hillary did there.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Hey bud. Glad to know you're doing well. I'm so sorry. This sucks.

Yeah. Awful night. Feingold, Kander and McGinty all losing really stings. And Clinton, obviously. Glad Hassan and Masto won. Ralston was right about the blue wave in Nevada.

It's more important than ever that we fix our midterm problem and I hope Obama plays a huge role in that. Until then, do whatever we can in the Senate to blunt the Republican majority.

 

[Pixieking]

Our base needs to feel inspired to go vote. We didn't.

If your base can't be inspired to vote for the first woman president, defending LGBTQ rights, abortion rights, equal pay and renewable energy, then your base needs to be talked to like a little child, and told why they should get out.

The negative ads against Trump should've done this, but I think they inspired a whole set of deplorables who do grab women by their pussies, and then talk about it in locker rooms. Ironically, the white women who voted for him are going to get screwed in the most awful way, because I'll be damned if this doesn't make Rape Culture permissible.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Yes, I think he loses those states if he offers the same as Trumpism, but without the bonus of the scapegoating on blacks and browns. Maybe not all of them. But enough that he still loses.

Assuming Biden still plays by the old playbook of actually acknowledging blacks and women's rights. Part of the feeling that the world has left them behind is all these "special" rights and treatment that social progress has created for these groups. I.e. equality with straight, white men. They're part of an old blue wall that is gone now.

Biden is not some unicorn. He's a horse you're all gluing a cone onto in some sort of revisionist alternate reality.

 

[metalslimer]

I also don't see how Biden energizes minorities to come out any more than they did. We already had the issue of different groups hating Clinton for her comments in the 90s. If Trump supporters were not being racist and just wanted something different why the hell would they vote for someone who's been there for decades with a lot of power?

I mean I guess he could have won PA but what was biden going to say to these economically anxious people considering he's been in the white house for 8 years. Anyone who hated the direction the country is going wasn't voting for Biden.

 

[nature boy]

Can't help but think if she had 100k more votes spreading through PA, WI and MI and we would be having a different conversation.

Nothing in the NYTimes piece is particularly new, she's a risk averse candidate. As long as she understands her time is over, let a new generation take the helms.

 

[whyamihere]

You can't. Because a large part of people are both showing some racism and genuinely worried about the economy.

But we also know that the counties that had biggest employment growths since 2010 voted 70% for Trump. So, unemployment went down in these counties. But they still voted for Trump, why?

When you ask someone are you worried about the economy, a lot will say yes. But what exactly are they worried about in the economy is the better question to ask.

We need to wait for the updated voter files. I am looking forward to Nate Cohn's write up based on that and not the exit polls.

The polls were shit and so the exit polls will also be shit

And on that last point, from twitter:

Exits claim Trump got 9% of black vote in GA but I can't find a black precinct in DeKalb County where Trump got even 4%

Exits may be underestimating racial polarization in this election by overestimating nonwhite vote for Trump.

 

[whyamihere]

Can't help but think if she had 100k more votes spreading through PA, WI and MI and we would be having a different conversation.

Nothing in the NYTimes piece is particularly new, she's a risk averse candidate. As long as she understands her time is over, let a new generation take the helms.

I've been lying away in bed for now an hour and a half thinking about 100,000 people in a football stadium.

 

[Y2Kev]

Yes, I think he loses those states if he offers the same as Trumpism, but without the bonus of the scapegoating on blacks and browns. Maybe not all of them. But enough that he still loses.

Assuming Biden still plays by the old playbook of actually acknowledging blacks and women's rights. Part of the feeling that the world has left them behind is all these "special" rights and treatment that social progress has created for these groups. I.e. equality with straight, white men. They're part of an old blue wall that is gone now.

Biden is not some unicorn. He's a horse you're all gluing a cone onto in some sort of revisionist alternate reality.

Isn't the issue though that with a few more white people he'd have won? He literally needs 100K white people across 3 states.

Does he turn out black people and Latinos in the same way Clinton does? I think probably. She didn't do THAT well with women.

Can he shave a few points off Clinton's deficit with white people? I think probably.

Like I don't think he can win with the "Obama" coalition. I agree he's not a unicorn that will inspire fragile morons to go vote. But he doesn't really need to.

I don't agree that it's easier to get 100K of the Obama coalition to the polls rather than just relying on old school hard labor union democrats. The way certain districts in Wisconsin flipped from Obama to Trump should tell you she didn't have what it took.

I'm sober about this. I realize now the deplorables comment was symptomatic of a much bigger issue. The campaign just didn't care about these people.

 

[Y2Kev]

And to the extent rural whites also wanted a heaping helping of Trumpism, Biden also approximates that more closely than Clinton does. Granted he will never be explicitly a racist (like he was in the 90s with the crime bill!!!!) but he's much closer!

 

[shinra-bansho]

Biden could have plausibly done better. I buy it more than the idea of a Warren or a Sanders.

I still think he would have lost. And any win he had would have been threading the needle against Trumpism, which was more potent than anyone expected.

 

[nature boy]

I've been lying away in bed for now an hour and a half thinking about 100,000 people in a football stadium.

Well that's actually a good metaphor, because ultimately that was the difference between victory and defeat

Outside of Biden and Clinton, who does the Democratic have that speak to that demographic? Brown?

 

[Pixieking]

I'm sober about this. I realize now the deplorables comment was symptomatic of a much bigger issue. The campaign just didn't care about these people.

I think it would've been good (and can still be good) if that deplorables comment were expanded on. That people took it as a badge is one thing, but that neither the campaign nor the media explicitly said "This is what the deplorables are! Racists, misogynists, people who don't pay the workmen they hire, people who joke about rape" is a massive failing. She rolled back the percentage, but didn't expand on what she meant (not really). And the media could've looked at all the fucking Breitbart Pepe dicks, and written many stories (intertwining Milo and GG in there), and got people thinking.

Because, honestly, racism and sexism should not be tolerated. It should not be a badge worn with pride. But that's what happened.

 

[Fox318]

She did. She had a better plan to fight Heron addiction. She talked about it.

Trump said that all the Mexicans are bringing drugs and he will build a wall.

Guess what resonated and why?

Policy no longer matters. Slogans do.

She was a horrible communicator at it. The ongoing running joke with her in the culture was she was a robot.

For all the market research and data mining that her team did they couldn't release a 10 word awnser to the problems or she couldn't be frank with voters in how each problem can't be solved with a single awnser solution.

Being a good communicator and a good performer is what Obama understood and what Trump understood.

Hillary at no point was ever great at that.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

And on that last point, from twitter:

Yup and as a result they are underestimating his white support.

 

[neurosisxeno]

I just stumbled upon this proposed list of what Trump plans to do in his first 100 days. Some of these things aren't terrible, but a lot of them are exactly as bad as I expected.

 

[whyamihere]

Well that's actually a good metaphor, because ultimately that was the difference between victory and defeat

Outside of Biden and Clinton, who does the Democratic have that speak to that demographic? Brown?

Yeah. Brown.

Honestly guys I'm not doing great. I just don't know.

 

[Kusagari]

Our true problem is if this rust belt shift holds. I mean we barely held on to perceived liberal bastion Minne fucking sota.

What the hell is our path forward in 2020? Any path would almost be completely reliant on FL and we've seen that rural whites can overpower historic Hispanic turnout there.

 

[dramatis]

Isn't the issue though that with a few more white people he'd have won? He literally needs 100K white people across 3 states.

Does he turn out black people and Latinos in the same way Clinton does? I think probably. She didn't do THAT well with women.

Can he shave a few points off Clinton's deficit with white people? I think probably.

Like I don't think he can win with the "Obama" coalition. I agree he's not a unicorn that will inspire fragile morons to go vote. But he doesn't really need to.

I don't agree that it's easier to get 100K of the Obama coalition to the polls rather than just relying on old school hard labor union democrats. The way certain districts in Wisconsin flipped from Obama to Trump should tell you she didn't have what it took.

I'm sober about this. I realize now the deplorables comment was symptomatic of a much bigger issue. The campaign just didn't care about these people.

There were three pillars in the Obama coalition.

1 was minorities.
2 was women.
3 was millennials.

The big problem was millennials, who need 'inspiration' to turn out. Who turned sullen when they didn't get the candidate they want.

So ask yourself if there was anybody that could have satisfied them? Apparently not the first female president, because everybody loves the ideas of hard work and resilience until it comes with 'bad optics'. Everybody loves experience and consideration until it comes with "not a good look". Everybody loves the idea of diversity and making history, until it comes with a woman who has made history so many times in her life.

Everybody sure loves making compromises with white people now, but they didn't like it when Hillary Clinton did it.

Because they wear their respect for the American values of hard work, resilience, understanding, and diverse experience in their mouths, until time came when this was actually on the ballot against the antithesis of all these things, then they didn't like it so they didn't turn out. They would prefer charming old white man.

 

[ErasureAcer]

I currently can't stomach the papers to a large extent, so maybe this has been answered, but I've not seen it. Sorry.

1) What can Obama do before January? Anything?
2) What's happening with Trump's "blind trust"?
3) Given what we know about the various court-cases/accusations against him, what are the chances Trump is prosecuted, or impeached? Would that have any substantial effect, or would it be too late in the day (like, one year away)?

1. Obama can pardon/commute people in Prison's sentences...he's done some of this with more to come...he should let a shit ton of people out...will he? Who knows. Apparently he could even clear Hillary of any wrongdoing as well for future actions that might come at her once Trump is instated. Apparently Ford did that with Nixon.
2. Aren't his kids taking over everything? I don't think Trump knew what a blind trust was.
3. Good question. But does any of it matter with Pence as VP? He's just as bad if not worse in some areas.

 

[KyroLen]

I wish we wouldn't blame Hillary here, and make excuses and do what-if scenarios.

The fact is people are easily swayed by fear, it's a useful tool that we saw implemented successfully after 9/11 to go into Iraq under false pretenses. In this case, the fear of the white voter toward people of different color or to a lesser extent even people of different sexual orientation galvanized that base to come out and vote.

The Dems I think were just so put-off by the election, and didn't think a tyrant like Trump could actually win, so why not just stay home? What's one vote, in the greater scheme of things? And thus, we have this result.

I'm still shaken, I'm still numb, I'm still mad and angry and sad and on the verge of tears.

I live in Maine, though I'm biracial you couldn't tell just by looking at me. For me, this election doesn't effect me in a negative way as far as my rights and freedoms go. And I think that's the problem, that so many white voters just don't care about the rights of people that don't look like them that they voted for Trump because it benefited them and people like them. And that's a problem.

I feel for the Muslim Americans in this country, who have real and justified fears.

I feel for the African Americans in this country, who have real and justified fears.

I feel for the Hispanics and Latino's in this country, who have real and justified fears.

I feel for the LGTB Americans in this country, who have real and justified fears.

Trump's victory has injected hate into our country en masse, has given that hate a platform and has made that hate seem justified and okay in the minds of bigots. I am struggling to care about my country anymore, I am struggling to feel any sense of patriotism for American anymore. This is no longer my country, this is no longer a country of freedom for all, and it breaks my heart.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

This is the most liberal loss ever. You couldn't even make it up. Getting so lost in data you lose focus on where you're failing. Assuming your opponent is so awful, mistakes in campaigns are forgiven (they weren't). Going for a huge win by targeting states you have no business winning because you have this in the bag. People not bothering to vote because the candidate doesn't really appeal to them personally. It's like all of the stuff liberals are criticized for doing all wrapped up in one election.

In other news, reading about Mitch McConnell opposing some of Trump's big promises makes me happy. Knowing Trump, this means McConnell is now on Trump's list. I wouldn't even be surprised if Trump threatens to veto EVERYTHING unless McConnell passes his wall, term limits and his infrastructure laws.

I still think the GOP is a weak party, with a lot of in fighting, and ultimately are going to need to adapt and change. This election, despite not at all winning on their own merits and just because Democrats dropped the ball, is going to give them confidence that people actually like their ideas. And when time catches up to them, it won't be a fun time for the GOP.

And really, at its core, the Democrats have no other problem other than turnout. If they can get turnout up, they rule the country. It's the story every single time. Turnout, turnout, turnout. The GOP will vote for literally anyone with an R next to their name. The Democrats will not. We need to fix this.

 

[Plinko]

Biden could have plausibly done better. I buy it more than the idea of a Warren or a Sanders.

I still think he would have lost. And any win he had would have been threading the needle against Trumpism, which was more potent than anyone expected.

All he had to do was A) Convince dems who didn't like Hillary (of which there were many) to vote for him and/or B) Convince the white rural voter that he understood their issues, which he does a good job of.

Look at the narrow vote deficits in Michigan, Wisconsin, and PA. He would have easily flipped PA, and MI and Wisconsin were close enough to where he would have had the union voters on his side. He'd be president.

 

[Pixieking]

Our true problem is if this rust belt shift holds. I mean we barely held on to perceived liberal bastion Minne fucking sota.

What the hell is our path forward in 2020? Any path would almost be completely reliant on FL and we've seen that rural whites can overpower historic Hispanic turnout there.

Last I checked, she was behind in Arizona by about 60k/70k. Not sure how much of that was Republicans holding their noses and voting for her, but given nationally that was a low number (though from Exit polls that is), it could flip?

1. Obama can pardon/commute people in Prison's sentences...he's done some of this with more to come...he should let a shit ton of people out...will he? Who knows. Apparently he could even clear Hillary of any wrongdoing as well for future actions that might come at her once Trump is instated. Apparently Ford did that with Nixon.
2. Aren't his kids taking over everything? I don't think Trump knew what a blind trust was.
3. Good question. But does any of it matter with Pence as VP? He's just as bad if not worse in some areas.

Urgh. Not great in any way. The stupid recess rules mean that he can't force Garland through, or do anything else decent, right?

 

[shinra-bansho]

Okay. Good luck with that. Keep telling yourself that this is a one off and go into 2020 thinking that they're coming back into the fold without jettisoning anything that represents social progress. Everything will be fine in 2020.

Your experience with lovely rural white people means that they're really great folk despite overwhelmingly voting in someone either explicitly based on or despite clear racism, bigotry, misogyny, the list goes on.

Our true problem is if this rust belt shift holds. I mean we barely held on to perceived liberal bastion Minne fucking sota.

What the hell is our path forward in 2020? Any path would almost be completely reliant on FL and we've seen that rural whites can overpower historic Hispanic turnout there.

I think it holds. This is a long time coming. It has been something that people thought was coming. This is just sooner than expected and at the worst possible time.

Also Trump has already said he wouldn't have a blind trust.

 

[Frank the Great]

Biden is likeable. People like him. He is relatable.

That's all that matters. He would have won.

It would not have solved the long term problem in the rust belt though. Dems are kind of fucked going forward.

 

[nature boy]

Yeah. Brown.

Honestly guys I'm not doing great. I just don't know.

Donate money/time to Democratic candidates/ACLU and EFF, they're gonna need them.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Our true problem is if this rust belt shift holds. I mean we barely held on to perceived liberal bastion Minne fucking sota.

What the hell is our path forward in 2020? Any path would almost be completely reliant on FL and we've seen that rural whites can overpower historic Hispanic turnout there.

Minnesota House stayed Republican and they flipped the Senate too. Pretty bad here. We did kick out the Republican Minority leader who was a dink that didn't want Light Rail going to his suburbs. Minnesotans aren't as smart as I thought they were. I had a great feeling Nolan would win and he did. I am shocked...shocked Jason Lewis won MN-2. The third party candidate didn't help. Our rural conservadems almost lost their races too.

The strategy going forward is to give people shit to vote for. Weed for one. The nation wants it. Getting the conservatives to obviously lose that battle as they'll oppose it is the winning strategy. WEED!

 

[Y2Kev]

There were three pillars in the Obama coalition.

1 was minorities.
2 was women.
3 was millennials.

The big problem was millennials, who need 'inspiration' to turn out. Who turned sullen when they didn't get the candidate they want.

So ask yourself if there was anybody that could have satisfied them? Apparently not the first female president, because everybody loves the ideas of hard work and resilience until it comes with 'bad optics'. Everybody loves experience and consideration until it comes with "not a good look". Everybody loves the idea of diversity and making history, until it comes with a woman who has made history so many times in her life.

Everybody sure loves making compromises with white people now, but they didn't like it when Hillary Clinton did it.

Because they wear their respect for the American values of hard work, resilience, understanding, and diverse experience in their mouths, until time came when this was actually on the ballot against the antithesis of all these things, then they didn't like it so they didn't turn out. They would prefer charming old white man.

Biden was as likely to turn those people out as Clinton and also would likely have done a better job with traditional Democratic rust belt voters.

I'm not debating that milennials et all suck but knowing what we know, he's better ceteris paribus.

 

[whyamihere]

Biden is likeable. People like him. He is relatable.

That's all that matters. He would have won.

It would not have solved the long term problem in the rust belt though. Dems are kind of fucked going forward.

Yup yup yup.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Our true problem is if this rust belt shift holds. I mean we barely held on to perceived liberal bastion Minne fucking sota.

What the hell is our path forward in 2020? Any path would almost be completely reliant on FL and we've seen that rural whites can overpower historic Hispanic turnout there.

MI, WI and PA are not gone forever. We can get those back. She barely lost in an election where Dem turnout was historically low. Someone gets a smidge more blacks to turnout and those states are won. Ohio and Iowa might be gone. Too white and they even if we won, those states were trending red.

Arizona, Georgia and NC are potential pick ups. Demographics will continue to shift there. And with higher Dem turnout, those three are all viable pick ups. Hillary did very well in those states, considering how she did in the rest of the country. Florida continues to become more blue. Relative to where Florida usually is compared to the country, it was bluer this year.

We secured Nevada and Virginia this election. Even with how dire this map was, she pulled off Nevada and Virginia. At the lowest possible Dem turnout, we still won those two. So that's two more states in our basket. Demographics will continue to aid us in those states to make them solid.

Minnesota isn't going anywhere.

We need to admit we ran a bad campaign. She made mistakes. She ignored issues because polling looked good. She thought Trump was so terrible, the GOP wouldn't turnout. They did. They voted for him. She apparently didn't apply the same logic to herself. Dems didn't turnout. They didn't like her. We knew this. We ignored it.

 

[metalslimer]

The rust belt is probably gone for good now. PA is still a toss up. It's amazing that in the end the Democrats only path now goes through Florida. Georgia, TX, and Arizona aren't ready to flip yet. It looks like we are going to have to try to win a few rust belt states but it's not going to be an easy time.

 

[Pixieking]

Okay. Good luck with that. Keep telling yourself that this is a one off and go into 2020 thinking that they're coming back into the fold without jettisoning anything that represents social progress. Everything will be fine in 2020.

I think it holds. This is a long time coming. It has been something that people thought was coming. This is just sooner than expected and at the worst possible time.

Also Trump has already said he wouldn't have a blind trust.

Targeted messaging will be the key. That, and fucking educating people that an Hispanic house-maid is not going to steal your fucking auto-job. That was fucking technology, you loon! Though, that's also targeted messaging, so...

But, yeah - race and sexuality has fucked things over. Regression to the 50s in terms of social norms (as long as Roe is safe, it won't be too bad?). Lots of people thinking the N word is okay to say, and sexual assault on campus.

Maybe it just needs lots of white men to rape lots of white women in high school and local cafes before the racist/sexist base realises it's eating itself?

I'm still liking my GOTV idea. Unemployment can beat racism, if you can show that the black guy next door is also unemployed. Maybe.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Honestly, the Black Jeopardy sketch is what Dems need.

There is so much overlap between the issues that effect minorities and poor WWC.

 

[Pixieking]

Donate money/time to Democratic candidates/ACLU and EFF, they're gonna need them.

And Planned Parenthood, too. If I were rich, I would legit push money to PP every month, like Patreon. As it is, every time I think I'm going to buy a game in a Steam sale, I'm going to contribute to PP (assuming I can, as a non-US citizen).

For Trump Voters, Uncertainty Mixes With Elation

"As time goes on, people are going to see a different Trump," said a woman who voted for the president-elect

Fucking dumbass.

 

[Dierce]

So also now torture is ok? I just can't believe what this country has done.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Yeah, I'm shifting my budget around a little looking for space for PP donations. Currently poor af, but will be making some more money January-August.

 

[Makai]

Wow is Newt really State Department pick or is that speculaton? And wth are they doing with Christie if Giuliani gets AG?

 

[shinra-bansho]

If the black guy next door is unemployed, I'm probably a black guy.
But if for whatever reason there's a black guy next door in my white neighbourhood and they're unemployed. They're probably just too lazy to find a job.
Or the Mexicans took it.

There is so much overlap between the issues that effect minorities and poor WWC.

It doesn't matter.

The WWC don't want to hear that the black guy or the Latino woman has the same issues as he does. They're competition.
Their progress is the rural white loss.

The Great America that they want to Make Again is a great white dominated America.
They're taking the country back.

This is the story of the election that everyone seems to want to ignore. Hate won.
America is not great because it's good, it's full of awful.

Perhaps I'm being far too cynical. But I think it's warranted.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Wow is Newt really State Department pick or is that speculaton? And wth are they doing with Christie if Giuliani gets AG?

Errand boy.

Honestly, even with Trump winning, Christie's still gonna get fucked.

 

[Pixieking]

Wow is Newt really State Department pick or is that speculaton? And wth are they doing with Christie if Giuliani gets AG?

Totally just lol'd at the possible conflict of interest with Bridgegate. Is that all done and dusted, or is there something else to come from it?

 

[TyrantII]

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But we also know that the counties that had biggest employment growths since 2010 voted 70% for Trump. So, unemployment went down in these counties. But they still voted for Trump, why?
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Because people that came out in 2008/12 were doing well, knew their precinct wasn't going to "win", and stayed home on election day thinking there's no way a cartoon villain would be president. The deplorables always vote; thus their percentage went way up.

There's probably more nuance in there about Hillary being weak, protest voting, abstainibg, ect as well.

But when you come down to it, if a fraction of the missing Obama coalition showed up on Tuesday in 3-4 key states, we'd be congratulating Madame President

 

[Black Republican]

https://twitter.com/Delo_Taylor/status/796532000282775552

that laughter

 

[Pixieking]

If the black guy next door is unemployed, I'm probably a black guy.
But if for whatever reason there's a black guy next door in my white neighbourhood and they're unemployed. They're probably just too lazy to find a job.
Or the Mexicans took it.


It doesn't matter.

The WWC don't want to hear that the black guy or the Latino woman has the same issues as he does. They're competition.
Their progress is the rural white loss.

The Great America that they want to Make Again is a great white dominated America.
They're taking the country back.

This is the story of the election that everyone seems to want to ignore. Hate won.
America is not great because it's good, it's full of awful.

Perhaps I'm being far too cynical. But I think it's warranted.

No, I think you're right, I think it's warranted. Brexit parallels are obvious now - WWC don't want social progression, inclusiveness or a better world for their children. They want what they think they're entitled too, they want to grope women when they feel like it, and they only care about women when it's a relation. Oh, and gays are dirty, but lesbian sex is hot (and dirty).

The GOP read a lot of minds when they related sexual assault only to women they know.