Referring less to a specific group and more to anti-fascism movements writ large. And I do firmly believe it should happen in conjunction with strong opposition figures being buoyed up through the political process.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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Referring less to a specific group and more to anti-fascism movements writ large. And I do firmly believe it should happen in conjunction with strong opposition figures being buoyed up through the political process.
Benji needs to learn how to temper his bait...
Because they spend their lives consuming exclusively right-wing, radicalizing media sources.
Because white nationalism and racism aren't disqualifying factors to them. They aren't even that important.
The purpose of this post is to explain why your family members are not white nationalists just because they voted for Donald Trump.
This is important to you, because you love them and don't want to believe that they are morally culpable for, and even in favor of, the violence against people of color that will ensue; and because, ultimately, if you knew they were white nationalists and did nothing, and still maintain friendly contact with them, you are complicit as well.
I decline to provide you this indulgence.
Your family members are white nationalists. That's what they voted for. That's who they are. That's what they are responsible for. They are morally culpable for the consequences of their choice.
If you refuse to accept this and to engage with it, then you are complicit as well.
That's the way things are.
RustyNails
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But...Hillary had 60% approval rating in 2014 and her unfavourables were around 3-5% when she launched her bid.
Again, I think it's at least as plausible that white people became more radicalized over the last eight years by their media sources, which themselves were infested with white nationalism.
This does not absolve them.
RustyNails
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Obama: is this real life
Trump: is this real life
Everything in that room will be gold by March.
sazzy
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I just can't believe America did this. Where is the shame? I respect the results but that orange dipshit does not represent the values of the American people as a whole.
excelsiorlef
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You know I'll take an L on one big thing... I said no way could this be compared to Brexit, no fucking way...
Well this was America's Brexit...
Everything about it is the same....
The guy who won didn't actually want to win and now people are fucked.
Well this was America's Brexit...
Everything about it is the same....
The guy who won didn't actually want to win and now people are fucked.
Resident_UA
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To me this is first time that Trump looked "presidential". I'm actually glad Trump is acting like a decent human being so far. If his campaign was an act maybe he can now convince his supporters to act decent? I know, I'm way too optimistic...
Seriously, guys, please stop latching to everything new as if they were in a vacuum. She could have had a hundred different offers to speak at different venues and she chose not to go to most of them.
The failure of polling and data was at a massive scale. It's like believing that 2+2 = 4 and making all decisions based on that and that turned out to be wrong. In hindsight everything is easy to interpret.
Frank the Great
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Too black and white IMO. The whole point is that Hillary lost because white Obama voters jumped ship. Are previous Obama voters white nationalists? Get out of here.
They voted for white nationalism. They own it now.
This election was a moral choice. It wasn't a difficult one. But a lot of people failed anyway.
excelsiorlef
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Or went third party or voted downticket but not for President.
And Pigeon is right this is a moral failure of the American electorate, especially the white american electorate, it is a moral stain and no amount of excuses will clean it out.
And_Gignac
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How? Will someone like Corbyn be enabled for 2020 or are you saying Sanders = Corbyn?
I mean Clinton (a pragmatic liberal similar to the Blairite wet dreams of Labour´s right) happened and it was worse for the Dems than what Labour had to go through with Corbyn.
balladofwindfishes
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Nobody in this picture is happy at the situation they've gotten into
Well I'm peacing out for 4 years. Just gonna concentrate on improving my life here despite the obstacles that will be placed in my way and I'll occupy my time with video games and spending time with my husband/family. I don't care if Trump's economic policies tank the economy in Ohio or Michigan. Sorry!
excelsiorlef
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Good luck man, do what you gotta do, thanks for your posts around here though you're a highlight imo.
You'll still narrowly win against Trump.
Trump.
In the next four years they'll find a competent demagogue. What then?
Then we become Nazi Germany.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but:
· Trump has to contend with the Republican establishment and moderate Republicans; he’s hated by them.
· Even Obama had trouble with a Democrat House and Senate. Many Center-Right Democrats and Blue Dogs (conservative Democrats) opposed or nitpicked at his legislation and proposals.
· Considering his personality, Trump may apply an impulsive, reactionary method to his governing. If he’s refused by Congress for one of his crazy proposals, he may, in turn, veto one of theirs to spite them. Hope that some of those bills he trashes happen to be destructive bills.
· Unlikely but, his administration may allow for some campaign finance and lobbying reform. Assuming Republicans allow it... (unlikely, but possible.) Establishment Republicans have been against reform. Trump’s 'negotiating' could be used to force their hand. But then again, Citizens' United is still there. It's safe with a conservative leaning SC.
· The more nothing gets done, the better. Going by the numbers alone, there’s far too many destructive policies he wants to implement than decent ones, half of which probably won’t be passed due to opposition from moderate Republicans, but there are some monsters in there.
· Pray that there’s enough infighting between Trump and Congress until midterms. The more they don't get along, the better. In 2 years, the Senate comes into play again during Midterm elections. A Democrat Senate can prevent or stall from more damage until the next presidential election.
Not saying alot of harmful shit isn't going to get passed, but give me hope.
· Trump has to contend with the Republican establishment and moderate Republicans; he’s hated by them.
· Even Obama had trouble with a Democrat House and Senate. Many Center-Right Democrats and Blue Dogs (conservative Democrats) opposed or nitpicked at his legislation and proposals.
· Considering his personality, Trump may apply an impulsive, reactionary method to his governing. If he’s refused by Congress for one of his crazy proposals, he may, in turn, veto one of theirs to spite them. Hope that some of those bills he trashes happen to be destructive bills.
· Unlikely but, his administration may allow for some campaign finance and lobbying reform. Assuming Republicans allow it... (unlikely, but possible.) Establishment Republicans have been against reform. Trump’s 'negotiating' could be used to force their hand. But then again, Citizens' United is still there. It's safe with a conservative leaning SC.
· The more nothing gets done, the better. Going by the numbers alone, there’s far too many destructive policies he wants to implement than decent ones, half of which probably won’t be passed due to opposition from moderate Republicans, but there are some monsters in there.
· Pray that there’s enough infighting between Trump and Congress until midterms. The more they don't get along, the better. In 2 years, the Senate comes into play again during Midterm elections. A Democrat Senate can prevent or stall from more damage until the next presidential election.
Not saying alot of harmful shit isn't going to get passed, but give me hope.
BreezyLimbo
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The only hope I have is if Trump doesn't pass half the shit he's said he's going to pass, and fights against the Republicans. He seems to have drank into the kool aid though.
There is hope in that he fought against Republicans early on and insulted them, but...that was a while back. They all came crawling back to him. I just don't think anyone knows what he'll really do.
I hope and pray that every evangelical Trump supports goes to hell. To vote so overwhelmingly against moral decency because of abortion? It goes against everything that I believe the church stands for.
cartoon_soldier
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Conservatives forget they are conservatives when it comes to governing.
Late, but there's also something to be said for at least fucking voting rather than be "nah not making a choice." At least when you KNOW Trump is bad news rather than being OK with either.
She probably can't even get out of bed at this point.
Diiiiiiid not need imagery of her and Bill fucking like rabbits.
Oh, is that not what you meant?
(Edit: If make-up sex is the best sex, they're rocking the world right now.
)whyamihere
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I can't believe I'm on "greatagain.gov"
Brawndo Addict
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I still see a meaningful difference between voting for Trump and not voting. I have no problem with vilifying the former in all kinds of ways but I'm not so willing to concede the latter (even if there is an argument to be made that their abstention was complicit in Trump's victory). We know they voted for Obama and not for Hillary. The question is why?
I don't think it's as simple as she didn't campaign enough in those areas. The turnout difference from 2012 to 2016 was too severe for that to be the sole cause. Was it policy related? Hillary had policies but perhaps they weren't extreme enough. On the other hand, it's not like these missing voters went out and voted for Trump, they just didn't vote.
Was it rhetoric? Nobody is going to dispute that Hillary is muted and intellectual. If there's one thing she couldn't channel effectively it would be the anger and frustration felt by many Americans. Was it inclusiveness and support of minority issues? If it was this I don't care. We're not going to sacrifice minorities at the table of the white comfort.
It's probably a little bit of everything but we'll have to see as we research more into it. I personally believe voter ID and disenfranchisement played a big role in reduced turnout, particularly in WI, but it's not the whole picture. I still think there's strong moral culpability for those who didn't vote, they thought their discomfort with Hillary should supersede the threat Trump posed to their fellow Americans after all.
I don't think it's as simple as she didn't campaign enough in those areas. The turnout difference from 2012 to 2016 was too severe for that to be the sole cause. Was it policy related? Hillary had policies but perhaps they weren't extreme enough. On the other hand, it's not like these missing voters went out and voted for Trump, they just didn't vote.
Was it rhetoric? Nobody is going to dispute that Hillary is muted and intellectual. If there's one thing she couldn't channel effectively it would be the anger and frustration felt by many Americans. Was it inclusiveness and support of minority issues? If it was this I don't care. We're not going to sacrifice minorities at the table of the white comfort.
It's probably a little bit of everything but we'll have to see as we research more into it. I personally believe voter ID and disenfranchisement played a big role in reduced turnout, particularly in WI, but it's not the whole picture. I still think there's strong moral culpability for those who didn't vote, they thought their discomfort with Hillary should supersede the threat Trump posed to their fellow Americans after all.
Diiiiiiid not need imagery of her and Bill fucking like rabbits.
Oh, is that not what you meant?
(Edit: If make-up sex is the best sex, they're rocking the world right now.
That's not what I meant at all. I mean she's probably so depressed that she can't even be bothered to climb out of bed at this point.
If you couldn't be bothered to show up and stop Cheeto Hitler, who you supposedly hate, then you are no better than the people who supported him. Not standing against him is a tacit endorsement, it means you were fine with either choice. A lot of blame falls on Clinton's campaign and the Dems, but I will not let the people that stayed home off the goddamned hook. At the end of the day this is on them.
Jive Turkey
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Brexit 2: Electoral Boogaloo
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2016: The year the whole world decided to try huffing paint.
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2016: The year the whole world decided to try huffing paint.
Hahah... No, I know what you meant. I was just trying to lighten the mood. And it's not an image you're likely to forget soon, right?
Kinky pantsuit sex!
(Sorry, I'll stop now... Serious things...)
Reposting this from the previous page. I want serious feedback.
It won't save Roe, but it will save the organisation that does a lot of abortions (and non-abortion work, too).
Related:
Is it worth turning to private companies to fund PP? Apple/Valve/EA etc? I'm debating randomly emailing Gabe Newell and going "This organisation needs to be saved, help it!" But I also feel a bit dumb, maybe?
Trump sounded like a completely different person sitting there with Obama.
Maybe the quote from forever ago about him running as a Republican because they are dumb was actually true.
Secret moderate??
Should have been oranges. Subliminal messaging!
If you let that branch take hold of leadership they'll run you into the wilderness. Nothing but purity tests.
Clinton still won the popular vote. Corbyn can't even get close to that.
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Pigeon, I like you and I feel sorry for you, but why post if this is your contribution?
There is certainly a difference between actively turning out in support of a white nationalist and casually deciding that a white nationalist becoming president s just not a big deal to you.
I don't consider that it lets you entirely off the hook, though.
whyamihere
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...god damnit, they really did Clinton it again, didn't they?
Also tied up in some fairly serious scandal and the entire education debacle. Once we dug into him the "authenticity" would get destroyed. He's Democratic Rubio.
Mook had to be the nicest person ever, because no one's said a bad word about him, and that neeever happens to a campaign manager, lol.
I do think we need to bring the economic wing and the social wing together to strengthen the party leadership; unless Obama wants to run the DNC (which he doesn't). Our bench is terrible, and we need to start building it pronto.
Religion (well, the One religion) back in the classrooms.
This is all going so well...
Think of it as stretching before the workout.
I would like people talking about how they wish we'd played the guy on their fantasy team instead to know that I don't respect their posts enough to respond to them individually.
Angry Fork
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Bernie people have had to endure the last year of all the centrist morons saying Hillary was the pragmatic choice, the marxists don't know what they're talking about, etc. you guys can suffer some i told you so's imo.
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