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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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My current understand of the Obamacare repeal efforts is that they can only do some of it through reconciliation (what relates to funding). They can get that done now that Trump will not veto as Obama did earlier this year.
The problem will be passing a replacement since that cannot go through reconciliation. Senate democrats can hold firm on any changes, or at least bargain for ones they can stomach. In other words, if repubs want to break Obamacare, they can't fix the resulting problems without dem support.
Thoughts?
The problem will be passing a replacement since that cannot go through reconciliation. Senate democrats can hold firm on any changes, or at least bargain for ones they can stomach. In other words, if repubs want to break Obamacare, they can't fix the resulting problems without dem support.
Thoughts?
The election wasn't lost because Clinton didn't go far left enough. She got MORE votes than Feingold in WI.
The idea that in response to this, that you should go to the extreme? That's how you lose every election ever instead of just this one.
excelsiorlef
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Oh great let's find every anecdotal minority Trump supporter and pretend they don't oppose him in dramatic numbers overall.
Honest question what good does this article do?
I'm not entirely sure there is a difference at this point.
Except he couldn't even beat her, so it ain't much of an i-told-you-so. He ain't got the IT factor that democrats like either, if he did he would have won. It's just people trying to downplay the fact Trump won on racist demagoguery.
Besides, ALL THE BERINE STYLE CANDIDATES LOST WORSE THAN SHE DID. Why do people keep ignoring that shit? Even in states the Dems carried, the Bernie style guys LOST. That don't sound like a winning strategy to me.
It points out that people are stupid and that the Russian propaganda campaign worked.
sazzy
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Keeps your pants on, I've only pointed to an interesting take, without a comment.
excelsiorlef
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Not an attack on you...
I meant on the media...
I didn't realize it was an op-ed though so that's maybe a moot point.. maybe.
It's Washington Post fearing for its life. I can assure you they will back down from publishing a negative article on kgb orange for another year after he has taken over.
She's not. We're living Book 7 of Harry Potter.
excelsiorlef
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There are no checks and balances left...
Like what the fuck is he even talking about the GOP hates muslims as much as Trump does...
And they control it all.
Clinton was the check and balance.
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honestly my only hope is the end of the day Trump is a New Yorker, a rich one. Hopefully some of that high society liberal elite has rubbed off on him.....
We're fucked aren't we?
We're fucked aren't we?
You don't have to speak to them. You need to find someone with the IT factor Dems like so much and turn out the base. Apparently we can never win unless its with a charismatic motherfucker who could get away with murder.
I know. I think people relying on the government to keep things in check are in for a rude awakening
Brawndo Addict
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I never denied moral culpability on the part of nonvoters, my post explicitly talks about it after all. But these are people who I think who can be brought back into the fold without having to make any compromises on minority issues and inclusiveness. These are persuadable people who voted for Obama and will vote democratic again. Trump voters are not worth engaging but they're not who made the difference.
The bench is thin right now. But did anyone see Bernie coming four years ago? Did anyone see Obama coming? Did anyone see Trump coming?
These people exist out there. I don't know who they are, but it's on the DNC to find them and support them in the 2 and 3 years.
We just need to find a flashy, shiny candidate for them again. Go look back at the last 30 years of elections. Unless we run the most charismatic motherfucker we can find we lose and lose badly. Fuck it, we should get Clooney.
Clooney is going to run into the same issue Clinton did. Rust belt voters view him as a smug liberal elite. And I'm not sure he excites minority turnout enough to counteract that
Angry Fork
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It wasn't about left/right. It was whoever was more sufficiently anti-washington, anti-big business, anti-corruption. Clinton represents all of this, and even if she doesn't (she does), a lot of poor, angry, hopeless people saw it that way.
How much is HIllary projected to win the popular vote by? I heard it could be by as much as 1.5 or 2 million.
That would certainly not be good for Trump's first two years. I hope. It's going to be a constant reminder that Trump didn't actually get the support of the majority or plurality of Americans.
That would certainly not be good for Trump's first two years. I hope. It's going to be a constant reminder that Trump didn't actually get the support of the majority or plurality of Americans.
Brawndo Addict
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I honestly agree that we should try running a celebrity of Clooney-status in the primary. The internet and social media have irrevocably changed culture and politics. It seems to be a popularity contest now more than anything else. Let's try leaning into it in the primary and see if it's true or not.
sazzy
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the swamp is being drained!!
Hillary could have spoken to that voter and didn't.
No. This was only the case for the voters who stayed home and fucked us all over.
The GOP got its normal turnout.
Shit, he's a charismatic motherfucker. What matters is finding someone like that, look at who won in the last 30 years. Policy don't matter. Experience don't matter. Intelligence don't matter.
People want shiny.
We should give them the shiny. And who the fuck has more shiny than Clooney? Plus he's got the benefit of being a smart dude, which doesn't matter at all as we've learned but is still a nice bonus.
Yup. George Clooney or Al Franken. That's how we win.
this is my reading as well. any changes done through reconciliation must be off-set however, so we'll what they conjure up. they can seriously cripple obamacare just through the reconciliation measures though. remove subsidies, stopping the federal subsidization of medicaid, removing various taxes.
nature boy
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Yep, could be a 2 or more million difference with California still to finish counting
excelsiorlef
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Bernie trying to push things towards his corner already.
Has Sanders ever once admitted this was an election about white nationalism...?
And Obama wasn't? Charm overcomes a lot, especially if the media is favorable to the candidate.
That said, I don't want to see celebrities trying their hand in politics.
After what happened to her during the primary it wouldn't have mattered. They wouldn't have believed her. Her credibility got destroyed by Sanders and Russia doubleteaming her.
You know the answer already.
Reagan was an actor. Charisma matters. Policy doesn't. People are bad.
Bernie trying to push things towards his corner already.
Great, so we are just going to run McGovern against Goldwater and see who wins?
I swear to god the Dems are the dumbest bunch of idiots. We lost because we didn't run an economic message that resounded with the middle of America. Breaking up banks and socialism are also not things these people want to hear.
No he has not. He even gave the people who voted for Trump an out with his statement yesterday. Economic anxiety my ass, they wanted American Hitler.
Shit, I'll go a step further. We didn't lose because of the economic message, we lost because our candidate wasn't shiny enough. We lost because the voters care more about image than literally everything else. So that's what we should give them going forward: the fucking shiniest motherfucker we can find.
He actively denounces Trump's racism and his appeal to racist tendencies. He has throughout the entire primary season and the general election. He actively told his supporters not to vote for Trump and to support Hillary. He ain't the one with an issue here.
Bernie trying to push things towards his corner already.
My one real issue is that hasn't Sanders been an Independent for like 30+ years? Even if its likely in their best interest, why should the Democratic Party continue to listen to him? I don't think he has the political clout.
excelsiorlef
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Oh I know I was being rhetorical...
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You genuinely don't get it, do you? What you think of the Democratic Base - the liberal middle classes - did turn up. They're not the missing votes in Wisconsin and Michigan. And if you think George Clooney is the man to bring those votes back? Another metropolitan elite?
Man, this is just sad.
balladofwindfishes
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We need a smooth talking southern or midwestern young Democrat.
The last Democrat president to not be from the midwest or the south was JFK
The last Democrat president to not be from the midwest or the south was JFK
sazzy
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Except Bernie won in most of those rural areas during the primary and there was a huge amount of "independent" support that was kept from voting in the democratic primary - the exact demographic that Clinton lost with!!
Yeah.
This is definitely true. Everybody wants to destroy the Democratic Party right now.
1% in three states would have changed the election.
Without the concerted effort of multiple state actors, Hillary would be president right now.
I am not surprised that white liberals now want to jettison the rights of people of color for electoral success. But I won't support it.
Cesare Borgia
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Bernie trying to push things towards his corner already.
That's what happens when people lose elections. It's post-mortem time, Sanders has his solution and others will have their own.
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