DC?Puerto Rico statehood won't happen until we retake everything.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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DC?Puerto Rico statehood won't happen until we retake everything.
Cesare Borgia
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Same Clinton, nothing changed. Erased 8 years of progress by being the same insular, arrogant, untalented stupid motherfucker she's been for 16 years.
Today was going to be bad anyway with Trump going to the WH, now it's worse.
CO? ME maybe? Depending on how population shifts, GA or NC?
RastaMentality
Banned
didn't Latinos turnout in FL/NV/AZ? I know they got cancelled out in FL but still.
Shouldn't you know better than to take as 100% factual every little leak from every corner of the campaign right after a loss?
I don't even know what it means that they didn't run tracking polls. Does that mean they didn't do any polling in October at all? That's hard to believe considering she did go to Michigan and sent the president to NH in the last weekend. Was that based on how she felt? Come on.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
She put her eggs completely in minorities. Don't you dare just blame Hispanics and young voters. She appealed to white women, both with college degrees and without, and 45%/62% of them voted trump. In contrast, only 28%/25% hispanic women voted trump.
She heavily needed the women vote since she was appealing to them the most. And they didn't turn out. Hispanic women did turn out in greater percentages for her instead of Trump. So don't you dare put this on HIspanic voters.
Swear to god this is the diet racist version of 'Hispanics are lazy and didn't vote for her'. Nah.
AZ's margin shrunk. That's a long term project.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I expected better from you, then again after your constant hinting of oppo that never dropped... not sure what to believe.
Yep,this why I dont get this.
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thepotatoman
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The 2018 map looks even worse.
At this point the senate map has finally pretty much settled between red and blue states, with very few competitive seats left anywhere. Probably no one is getting 60 seats until there's a massive realignment.
I'm a brown skinned immigrant and so is my entire 200+ extended family that live in America. I don't care if the rust belt WWC is consumed with their own issues and can't even see mine. I care if they elect progressives that will lookout for my interest. The WWC in WI can't do shit for me in LA personally, but they can protect me from bigots in the White House and Congress by voting.
You want ideological purity.
I want electoral success.
You tell me which will lead to a better life for minorities.
Dominican Power
Member
No, Americans failed America.
I would love for someone to do a detailed analysis on how to go about that because my suspicion is that it doesn't seem like it would work due to demographics and gerrymandering.
Also:
You want to win an election.
I want to be able to live safely in America, without being afraid that next election my life could be at risk.
You tell me which will lead to a better life for minorities.
I would love for someone to do a detailed analysis on how to go about that because my suspicion is that it doesn't seem like it would work due to demographics and gerrymandering.
Also:
Gerrymandering is because we gave up the state govt.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Trump immediately pivoting to give banks all the money while gutting all bank regulation is amazing.
There were white people that went from Obama to Trump, but those people are insanely stupid and I'm not sure how you appeal to people that stupid.
Like... if someone voted for Trump because they thought he would be tough on the banks... They're a complete moron. They have no capacity for intelligent thought. How do you appeal to someone who is a dumb fuck?
There were white people that went from Obama to Trump, but those people are insanely stupid and I'm not sure how you appeal to people that stupid.
Like... if someone voted for Trump because they thought he would be tough on the banks... They're a complete moron. They have no capacity for intelligent thought. How do you appeal to someone who is a dumb fuck?
My only guess, is if true. They were probably getting results similar to the LA Times poll and they started seeing it as an outlier so they dropped it completely.
nature boy
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STEVE BANNON in the race for Chief of Staff
WTF
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/u...g-passing-the-presidency-to-donald-trump.html
WTF
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/u...g-passing-the-presidency-to-donald-trump.html
You give them someone shiny to vote for. Shiny wins elections. We always thought it was policy or something else, but it's the shiny that wins. If you have it you win, if you don't you lose.
GA's margin shrunk slightly while TX margin shrunk significantly also.
excelsiorlef
Member
But we need to give him a chance...
Abinash117
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He is far far more unpopular than Obama going in. So far he might lose the popular vote, and a few other big differences. Trump has no real mandate and even Mitch McConnell signaled he isn't going to do everything Trump wants and know their majority might not last.
Cesare Borgia
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I seem to remember calling a story into question earlier today with regard to people blaming Mook for stuff he didn't even have control of. This is not me blindly reacting to and believing every little story. Knives come out, often vindictive ones. But that article is not an example of that, from what I understand.
I'm mad. A lot of people are mad. A lot of people worked really hard for a decade and just watched that work get erased on Tuesday. How are we supposed to react, knowing that this was botched by Clinton expressing the exact same characteristics that cost her the nomination in 2008?
edit: and I'm drinking. I apologize for my language but those are my views.
RustyNails
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So you give up the present for some fantasy land ideologically pure future. Got it. Keep protesting on Nov 9th. I want to celebrate on Nov 9th.
This is what Dean built and Obama neglected.
You have got to be fucking kidding me with this shit.
We're not just doing political fanfic, we're doing dystopian political fanfic.
I am not kidding when I say this is measurably worse than the people saying we should stop caring about people of color.
Nobody knows anything about what happened during the campaign, and nobody knows whether the articles being written are presenting a full and unbiased picture or whether they're deliberate leaks by people with agendas.
But everybody should know that there is nothing productive in talking about potential missteps the campaign made on a process level after the fact.
Retromelon
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Obama and Trump sure looked chummy today. chalk it up to my naivete or whatever but I hope he can be somewhat of a moderating influence.
Obama wouldn't be that friendly to someone he knew would destroy his legacy would he
Obama wouldn't be that friendly to someone he knew would destroy his legacy would he
I am not saying we should focus on some hypothetical future.
I am saying that talking about ways to win back white nationalists one year doesn't change the fact that people of color cannot live safely in America because there are too many white nationalists in it.
I have not suggested a potential solution. I am not sure there is one.
I completely agree, was just stating a possible explanation however unlikely. I hope that whatever the truth is, the next Democratic campaign can learn from it and move forward from there.
Obama has always taken the higher ground and work with Republicans.
And in the end that's probably part of why his legacy will be destroyed.
balladofwindfishes
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Obama is pure class. He's not going to give Trump a hard time until Trump is the one actually making the decisions.
His legacy isn't going to be destroyed. His executive actions get tossed out, and Obamacare changes a bit, but everything else he did cannot be undone easily and without voters reacting.
Look, I'm speaking in very large generalities. Lots of people failed to show up.
I'm not trying to blame one group or another, but we keep waiting on a huge wave of hispanic turnout that just has not materialized.
He really doesn't have any other choice. He is probably expecting the worse but hoping for the best like the rest of us.
Dominican Power
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Well said. Obama and Michelle Obama have been everything and more. They will be sorely missed. Trump looked like a man child next to him this afternoon. This is going to be the W. Bush presidency times a 100.
I'll admit it was nice to see him act like a human. But I just believe that was optics and "good" politics. Either way Trump is still going to have to appeal to everyone he offended so we'll see.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
YES. Dean gets a lot of hate around here, but this is absolutely crucial to what is happening now.
This is why I think Harry Reid should be in charge. He's a smart guy.
I liked Hillary Clinton. I wanted her to be president badly. Not just because of Trump, but because of her and because she would further cement Obama's legacy. And I'm not ready to join in with everyone else here and immediately dissect her campaign has completely flawed from top to bottom. For one, it seems to early to really know that fully.
But when I think about her strongest problem -- her inability to communicate in an authentic, inspiring way, even if I thought personally she was authentic -- I think back to this ad.
Like a lot of people, this ad got me really pumped the fuck up. It was a powerful, hype-generating, let's get to work message. Hillary Clinton rolling out her Democratic Justice League.
And now I realize: she's not really in this ad. And my excitement, and everyone else's excitement, over her surrogacy operation was her team of surrogates. We were stoked for Obama and Michelle and Biden and Bernie and Warren. Less so for Hillary. Same thing at the DNC. Fiery, powerful, inspiring, cool as fuck speeches from the Obamas and Biden and Bill. But I think we all knew Hillary was going to be the least cool one; it was going to be fine, it was going to be what she needed to be, but it wasn't going to knock on us on our asses, which is what happened.
I was fine with that. A lot of us were fine with that. The DNC was a huge success for us, Buster protests notwithstanding. But for the more malleable voters, who aren't left-leaning partisans in the tank for Hillary and can even consider Trump, what's fine with us is not enough for them.
I was excited for all of Hillary's surrogates, but much as I wanted her to be president, I was probably the least excited for her rallies and speeches. And that's why 6 million Obama voters didn't come home for a third term.
But when I think about her strongest problem -- her inability to communicate in an authentic, inspiring way, even if I thought personally she was authentic -- I think back to this ad.
Like a lot of people, this ad got me really pumped the fuck up. It was a powerful, hype-generating, let's get to work message. Hillary Clinton rolling out her Democratic Justice League.
And now I realize: she's not really in this ad. And my excitement, and everyone else's excitement, over her surrogacy operation was her team of surrogates. We were stoked for Obama and Michelle and Biden and Bernie and Warren. Less so for Hillary. Same thing at the DNC. Fiery, powerful, inspiring, cool as fuck speeches from the Obamas and Biden and Bill. But I think we all knew Hillary was going to be the least cool one; it was going to be fine, it was going to be what she needed to be, but it wasn't going to knock on us on our asses, which is what happened.
I was fine with that. A lot of us were fine with that. The DNC was a huge success for us, Buster protests notwithstanding. But for the more malleable voters, who aren't left-leaning partisans in the tank for Hillary and can even consider Trump, what's fine with us is not enough for them.
I was excited for all of Hillary's surrogates, but much as I wanted her to be president, I was probably the least excited for her rallies and speeches. And that's why 6 million Obama voters didn't come home for a third term.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
And it probably never will, because Hispanic people also tend to conservative. We're not lopsided Liberals like you make us out to be. A larger hispanic turn out will always be a net gain for both sides.
balladofwindfishes
Member
I'm not entirely sure a president's term can get any worse than Bush's second term.
That was major issue after major issue. Just one big giant pile of garbage. Had W been a one term president like his father, he'd likely be better remembered. Most of all the major issues people remember from Bush were from his second term. Just the Patriot Act and the start of the Iraq war (which was popular at the time). He didn't even get a SC justice in his first term.
...who around here hates Dean??? I have never seen anyone in PoliGaf ever hate on Dean. We were quite happy when he made a speech at the DNC
Fuck this must be what it felt like after the Jimmy Carter years. We're in for long one folks. I can't think of any rising stars in the party who are pure. That's what we need. If Kander had won that senate seat, could've been him. It won't be Kamala, trust me the America I live and work in everyday ain't ready to elect a black woman, unless she really is that special. Obama was a maverick, she'd have to be better than him, significantly so. The demographics at the presidential level are there and if someone special comes up we can do it.
What really worries me is, is the Democratic party capable of doing what the GOP just pulled off? A majority in the House, Senate and the Executive. Like I don't know something massive has to happen. Liberal minds are continuously fleeing middle America for the big cities. I think a couple things that we need to figure out how to accomplish in the next 30-40 years. Some things I'd personally like to see, DC and Puerto Rico statehood with the Senate and congressional seats that'll guarantee and carving out a message that cements a huge chunk of millennials in our corner for when we become the dominant voting block.
What really worries me is, is the Democratic party capable of doing what the GOP just pulled off? A majority in the House, Senate and the Executive. Like I don't know something massive has to happen. Liberal minds are continuously fleeing middle America for the big cities. I think a couple things that we need to figure out how to accomplish in the next 30-40 years. Some things I'd personally like to see, DC and Puerto Rico statehood with the Senate and congressional seats that'll guarantee and carving out a message that cements a huge chunk of millennials in our corner for when we become the dominant voting block.
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