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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
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Abinash117
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I think you are missing a few positions like the Directors to CIA, FBI, etc.
Here's a list of ambassadors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassadors_of_the_United_States
He just might keep the current ambassadors if you can.
GoldenEye 007
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I want the wing of the party that understands the electorate in each jurisdiction to take control. Plenty of pure progressive measures were soundly defeated too in this election.
Maybe once the boomers die, but the country isn't ready for what he's bringing. Hillary lost, but she's going to win the popular vote by over 2 million. Sanders would get stomped, as evidenced by progressive Senate candidates performing well behind Clinton and progressive measures like single payer in blue CO and and drug pricing control measure in very liberal California getting blown the fuck out
I don't think Sander would get stomped. He was the antithesis of Trump.
He was the liberal mirror image of Trump. All the positions reversed, but the populist, scapegoating, outsider thing? Dead on.
So explain why candidates and ballot measures that were to the left of Clinton, which Sanders obvious is as well, got shot down handily at the ballot box. And it's not like these were in deep red states. California and Colorado went blue
Hillary was the antithesis of Trump.
And, whilst that's a sarcastic reply to your post, it's also the truth - insider, politically clever, good at compromise, can accept when she did something wrong, and a policy wonk through-and-through.
Scapegoating with what?
Apparently a lot of voters didn't give a shit about how qualified she was. Labels didn't matter. Calling Trump a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, didn't matter. A self declared socialist won 22(?) states in the United States of America.
"Wall Street", "The DNC", etc- Sanders went "High", Trump went "Low".
I can agreed somewhat about the DNC, but Wall Street?
From what I understand it is an excerpt from this book "The Irony of Manifest Destiny: The Tragedy of America's Foreign Policy" by William Pfaff. Where the author is quoting the writer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlwqYwXqa7Y
Nikki Haley is a fucking idiot for joining the rest of that group.
And ya, what a shit show, the list is still mostly empty because nobody wants to be associated with this dumpster fire.
Trump will say literally anything. I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that he said that to get the clueless Bernie's awesome/Socialism's great voters on his side. Because I cannot believe he'd tell the truth about being a socialist, but lie about everything else.
RastaMentality
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What makes people think Forma
wouldn't get the same untrustworthy smear campaign hillary got? Republicans would twist her native american self-identification as her "having something to hide". I feel people are looking at this election and underestimating the sexism role in how Hillary's scandals played out.
If Michelle ran (I hate mentioning this still), they'd run a "black woman doesn't love america" smear campaign with her 08 comments and make 85% of white men vote Republican.
(Warren)
If Michelle ran (I hate mentioning this still), they'd run a "black woman doesn't love america" smear campaign with her 08 comments and make 85% of white men vote Republican.
Intheflorsh
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The Bernie/Trump comparisons are superficial. Trump is a man with no convictions outside of his own self interest, he would happily take any position to win some favor. Bernie, for better or worse, is a rigid socialist who is unwilling to compromise. They're both populists, but they're operating from completely different perspectives.
Speaking of which, why this disdain for populism? It's undeniably effective as a tool to win elections. Even before Trump, Obama was wildly successful with this generic-brand populist rhetoric back in 2008. I feel like you guys often make the mistake of assuming Obama's popularity comes from his policies rather than his charisma and ability to connect with people.
Speaking of which, why this disdain for populism? It's undeniably effective as a tool to win elections. Even before Trump, Obama was wildly successful with this generic-brand populist rhetoric back in 2008. I feel like you guys often make the mistake of assuming Obama's popularity comes from his policies rather than his charisma and ability to connect with people.
I watched Gayle King on Seth Meyers last night and her attitude about the media meeting with Trump was disappointing. She described the meeting as a smackdown from him on the media and then went into "we have to find a way to work with him" and give him a chance mode. Seth pushed back and asked her why doesn't the media have to do anything but report on what he's doing? She gave some platitudes about wanting him to succeed and working together blah blah blah.
The media should NOT allow Trump to intimidate them and normalize him. Now every time I watch CBS This Morning I'm going to be wondering in the back of my mind if they're reporting the news or saying what they think he wants to hear.
The media should NOT allow Trump to intimidate them and normalize him. Now every time I watch CBS This Morning I'm going to be wondering in the back of my mind if they're reporting the news or saying what they think he wants to hear.
I'll fill in other important as we go, but yes, I forgot about his CIA director pick. The top section is the Cabinet as it is. Chief of Staff section is considered "Cabinet-level". Agency heads are probably going to be pretty important.
gutter_trash
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I am guessing that she wants to improve her Foreign Policy knowledge to later either Primary Trump in 2020 or run in 2024
I heard Norway has just had the biggest pedophilia crime ring in its history exposed. How is it going over there in socialist utopia?
Hillary got more votes than Trump, and more votes than Sanders. There's no point in arguing about it, because a Sanders candidate on the left will fail again, for the reasons you never understood.
balladofwindfishes
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Decades of losing elections and purity tests, wooooo
bangbang i'm a timpani
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its an awful podcast. i want the audio without a bunch of people making shit up about how they know what trump is thinking.
If Trump wins in 2020 I don't see the Republican party viable in 2024. The world will likely literally be on fire by then and the demographic changes will be too strong.
Sirpopopop
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Their purity test isn't one of ideals: See the love for Tulsi Gabbard.
It's a test based on whether you love Bernie Sanders or not.
A Link to the Past
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You know, I kind of half-joked that the future of the GOP would be in the midwest and the rust belt areas, but it kind of looks like that is going to be a realistic outcome if Texas, Arizona, and Georgia continue to veer left.
Can we not amplify Bernie's voice so much like we did with Trump's? The media doesn't even cover Bernie that much. There's no ultimatum being decreed within the next few months that we need to debate right now. Bernie can say whatever he wants like he always did. Even the DNC chair is still a contested position with Obama's faction coming into play.
I don't care about wings. I want people who understand problems and offer solutions, not just "this is a problem... everyone get mad!" Not someone who offers magical fantasy solutions to real problems but has well thought out and practical policy proposals. I think that's why Warren is great. She doesn't get people foaming at the mouth angry but she understands problems, shows it, and is practical with the solutions and policies she supports.
CoffeeJanitor
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im not arguing against you just against people not trying to find a consensus that combines both strategies
Good thing we're not a socialist country.
balladofwindfishes
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Yep, Obama is the highest ranking member of the Democrat party currently, and he'll probably remain at least as close to the top as he can possibly be as a private citizen after he's out.
The party is never going to abandon Obama. He's the Democrat version of Reagan, except still alive and well and ready to work.
Abinash117
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-transition-vetting-231786
About Trump's vetting process.
Might see more random select of people getting appointed if at all by Trump. Senate hearing are going to be brutal.
About Trump's vetting process.
Might see more random select of people getting appointed if at all by Trump. Senate hearing are going to be brutal.
Sirpopopop
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Actually, I think he's got more positions filled than Obama did at this time.
Abinash117
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I think that is true, but I think it was also true that they had many people of the lower level already in place.
Did Obama made meetings with people that wasn't part of his campaign in 2008 at this time?
whyamihere
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Schumer, this is a Very Bad Statement
RustyNails
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wow lol
hating Schumer so much. Fucking Reid, why he gotta leave
hating Schumer so much. Fucking Reid, why he gotta leave
whyamihere
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No experience, BUT, pretty insane.
TestOfTide
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Well. I did something in between where I titled it "methods of dealing with deplorables" and I post in the OP some sentences about how everyone is welcome to post their own methods as well.
metalslimer
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Biased against Israel? Give me a break.
This is one issue where I hope the Sanders faction doesn't relent.
This is one issue where I hope the Sanders faction doesn't relent.
Bonen no Max'd
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Could we have a coup to oust Schumer as minority leader?
whyamihere
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Dick Durbin already gave up.
Better than Jerry Falwell Jr I guess
cartoon_soldier
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What is this about Schumer?
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