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"I'm sorry for the blacks"

I don't think this is true at all.

And I'm not some Seattle liberal that grew up wealthy. I'm the first college graduate ever in my family, I accepted the only school that had enough financial aid to get that degree, and my parents were poor enough to need church food donations to feed my brother and I. Don't make the lazy argument here because I could easily generalize your situation in return.

My parents have shit for education, but my mom actually went back and got her Associate's degree in nursing so she could participate in the job market. My dad sits on his ass and stays perpetually laid off. This is all in Mississippi, where community college is free of charge (one of the South's rare advantages over other regions). He could go get certified in something useful instead of his factory skills. He chooses not to.

So Crab, what's your pitch to him? You're a lazy racist bum, but it's not your fault?

My dad is no different than a child wishing to be a Jedi. It's fantasy, and immoral to tell him that you'll make the best lightsabers and Wall Street will pay for them.

Yes, this is something of a bootstraps argument. But that argument only fails when people actually do everything they can. People like my dad don't fit that bill at all.
 

Totakeke

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Plus there's selection going on. People who have bettered themselves are also much more likely to move out of areas where job opportunities are declining.
 
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Yes, this is something of a bootstraps argument. But that argument only fails when people actually do everything they can. People like my dad don't fit that bill at all.

You're still singing from the rightwing playbook. "We don't need the welfare state. I worked real hard and got my job. But my brother? He's a welfare scrounger. He's content to sit around all day and do nothing and just pick up the gub'ment paycheck. We should abolish the welfare state. Your argument doesn't work, because people like him aren't what you're describing".

No, they're not. But fortunately, scroungers are not most people. I don't know your dad, so I can't speak for him individually. But as a group: who is going to hire a 55-year old man with no experience outside of manual labour? My step-dad got laid off recently, and he's a highly skilled IT guy with 30 years experience who is in his late 50s, and he is struggling to find work. Nobody wants someone who is going to retire in a few years, especially when, because he worked with the same company for so long, he didn't keep quite at the front of the tech wave. And this is someone with skills and capabilities. Now you're telling me that Joe the steel worker can suddenly waltz into community college, pick up his IT degree, and get employed by Google? I don't believe that for a minute.
 

Mac_Lane

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About that Becerra appointment, do you think Brown is grooming him to take over as governor after him ? Or the job is inevitably Newsom's ?
 
My step-dad got laid off recently, and he's a highly skilled IT guy with 30 years experience who is in his late 50s, and he is struggling to find work. Nobody wants someone who is going to retire in a few years, especially when, because he worked with the same company for so long, he didn't keep quite at the front of the tech wave. And this is someone with skills and capabilities. Now you're telling me that Joe the steel worker can suddenly waltz into community college, pick up his IT degree, and get employed by Google? I don't believe that for a minute.

A friend of mine is a lot like your step-dad. 59 years old, computer programmer (.NET), 27 years of experience, got laid off and hasn't worked in over a year.

He blames H1B and voted for Trump.
 
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A friend of mine is a lot like your step-dad. 59 years old, computer programmer (.NET), 27 years of experience, got laid off and hasn't worked in over a year.

He blames H1B and voted for Trump.

Yeah. It doesn't surprise me at all. My step-dad is a fundamentally amazing person, one of those very rare genuinely good and selfless people, and so I don't think he's ever been tempted by any of that rhetoric. My dad, on the other hand, well, maybe best not said.
 
You're still singing from the rightwing playbook. "We don't need the welfare state. I worked real hard and got my job. But my brother? He's a welfare scrounger. He's content to sit around all day and do nothing and just pick up the gub'ment paycheck. We should abolish the welfare state. Your argument doesn't work, because people like him aren't what you're describing".

No, they're not. But fortunately, scroungers are not most people. I don't know your dad, so I can't speak for him individually. But as a group: who is going to hire a 55-year old man with no experience outside of manual labour? My step-dad got laid off recently, and he's a highly skilled IT guy with 30 years experience who is in his late 50s, and he is struggling to find work. Nobody wants someone who is going to retire in a few years, especially when, because he worked with the same company for so long, he didn't keep quite at the front of the tech wave. And this is someone with skills and capabilities. Now you're telling me that Joe the steel worker can suddenly waltz into community college, pick up his IT degree, and get employed by Google? I don't believe that for a minute.

He never brought up abolishing the welfare state or even mentioned welfare at all, so why did you bring it up as the cornerstone of your argument? He even mentions how nice free college in the South is!

Isn't that strawmanning?
 
You're still singing from the rightwing playbook. "We don't need the welfare state. I worked real hard and got my job. But my brother? He's a welfare scrounger. He's content to sit around all day and do nothing and just pick up the gub'ment paycheck. We should abolish the welfare state. Your argument doesn't work, because people like him aren't what you're describing".

No, they're not. But fortunately, scroungers are not most people. I don't know your dad, so I can't speak for him individually. But as a group: who is going to hire a 55-year old man with no experience outside of manual labour? My step-dad got laid off recently, and he's a highly skilled IT guy with 30 years experience who is in his late 50s, and he is struggling to find work. Nobody wants someone who is going to retire in a few years, especially when, because he worked with the same company for so long, he didn't keep quite at the front of the tech wave. And this is someone with skills and capabilities. Now you're telling me that Joe the steel worker can suddenly waltz into community college, pick up his IT degree, and get employed by Google? I don't believe that for a minute.

Now we're crossing into basic income territory. Because you're correct that older people like our dads aren't getting hired often.

So now sell that idea to these people. Tell me how this plan of yours turns out differently from any other plan that failed here because "big government is spending other people's money to give to the freeloaders." I would very much argue that you're in a bubble if you think this will get these voters, at least while you're giving these handouts to black people.

You started this by framing the discussion as "how do we get their votes?" Now propose something that gets their votes in the real world where the government is too large, handouts are for bums and minorities, and that "Eventually socialists run out of other people's money" quote reigns supreme. I'll wait.
 
Yeah. It doesn't surprise me at all. My step-dad is a fundamentally amazing person, one of those very rare genuinely good and selfless people, and so I don't think he's ever been tempted by any of that rhetoric. My dad, on the other hand, well, maybe best not said.

I'm only ten years younger. I'm going to be in serious shit if I can't find work in ten years. Planning now on doing more "training" aka education (studying Data Science) to increase my tool set.
 
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Now we're crossing into basic income territory. Because you're correct that older people like our dads aren't getting hired often.

Basic income is the future, and I think we need to start trailing the idea - perhaps not as political organizations, quite yet, but certainly individuals like you or I, or advocacy groups. But I agree it's too early for most countries as a political idea. It'll be within our lifetimes, I think.

So now sell that idea to these people. Tell me how this plan of yours turns out differently from any other plan that failed here because "big government is spending other people's money to give to the freeloaders." I would very much argue that you're in a bubble if you think this will get these voters, at least while you're giving these handouts to black people.

You started this by framing the discussion as "how do we get their votes?" Now propose something that gets their votes in the real world where the government is too large, handouts are for bums and minorities, and that "Eventually socialists run out of other people's money" quote reigns supreme. I'll wait.

I've detailed this above. That's why we run populist campaigns - tax big business - and that's why we 'hide' the welfare. A big infrastructure bill that pays people to build roads is just welfare in disguise. I mean, the infrastructure is also good, but it's almost just a bonus. Tax credits for manual labour - sell it as support for hardworking folks. It's a handout, but it doesn't feel like one. Tariffs on luxury import goods - it's no different to increasing sales tax on luxury goods and using it to give poorer people a tax break, but it feels right.
 
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I'm only ten years younger. I'm going to be in serious shit if I can't find work in ten years. Planning now on doing more "training" aka education (studying Data Science) to increase my tool set.

Genuinely, good luck. Have you looked into codeacademy or other MOOCs? They're really useful, I found, to widen your skillset.
 

pigeon

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Poverty is legitimized state violence and repression. The state enforces the private property system through force, and poverty is when it uses that force to repress you. They're not separate.

I'm not playing this game. You know I'm a socialist. Socialism requires solidarity. What you're suggesting is definitionally not solidarity -- it's a temporary alliance. If solidarity is impossible, socialism is impossible in America as it exists.

I'd rather be black and middle class than white and with no job (or hope for one; I'm talking about being the economic dropout the paper mentions here).

Because you don't understand America.

nyt said:
Even among white and black families with similar incomes, white families are much more likely to live in good neighborhoods — with high-quality schools, day-care options, parks, playgrounds and transportation options. The study comes to this conclusion by mining census data and uncovering a striking pattern: White (and Asian-American) middle-income families tend to live in middle-income neighborhoods. Black middle-income families tend to live in distinctly lower-income ones.

Most strikingly, the typical middle-income black family lives in a neighborhood with lower incomes than the typical low-income white family.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...ack-families-in-low-income-neighborhoods.html

the atlantic said:
“Even black Americans who make it to the middle class are likely to see their kids fall down the ladder,” writes Richard Reeves, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. In a recent blog post Reeves says that seven out of 10 black children who are born to families with income that falls in the middle quintile of the income spectrum will find themselves with income that's one to two quintiles below their parents' during their own adulthood....

A 2014 study from the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, which looked at factors like parental income, education, and family structure, shows a similar pattern: Many black Americans not only fail to move up, but show an increased likelihood of backsliding. According to the study, “In recent decades, blacks have experienced substantially less upward intergenerational mobility and substantially more downward intergenerational mobility than whites.”

The greater probability of slipping back applies to blacks across income groups. According to the Fed study, about 60 percent of black children whose parents had income that fell into the top 50 percent of the distribution saw their own income fall into the bottom half during adulthood. This type of downward slide was common for only 36 percent of white children.

But the gap in mobility was also significant for lower-class families as well. “For most of the bottom half of the income distribution, the racial differences in upward mobility are consistently between 20 and 30 percent," writes senior economist Bhashkar Mazumder, the study’s author. “If future generations of white and black Americans experience the same rates of intergenerational mobility as these cohorts, we should expect to see that blacks on average would not make any relative progress.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-kids-become-black-lower-class-adults/384613/

Middle class black families have worse lives and worse outcomes than poor white families. You would be choosing the worse option out of misplaced confidence in your understanding of how white supremacy operates.
 

fantomena

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Not sure how relevant it is for this thread, since it's mostly US political talk here, but the leader of the Norwegian Labour Party has written a good article about that "Weak unions strengthen right-wing populism".

Translate link.
 
If the workers ran the show, they'd be able to use automation to scale back the amount of hours they have to work while still getting to maintain or even better their standards of living. String this out long enough and you might even get communism if post scarcity is actually possible/sustainable. We're already heading in that way in a moderated form with talk of basic income, it just would've been an easier transition without two classes in opposition to each other.

This seems like it would still cause conflict among workers whose jobs have been automated and workers whose jobs haven't been automated yet (or can't be automated). Sure, the idea is everyone is getting paid so who cares? But people generally don't operate this way.

Maybe it's just hard for me to think about how people would perceive this transition of work in this worker class controlled hypothetical.
 

Maledict

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This is from a radio quote I've tried to make a transcript from, so excuse me if a few words aren't right. It's from Dan Cassino, looking at data from the 2012 and 2016 American National Election Survey.



What you're seeing - this conflation of racism and economic anxiety amongst white people without college degrees - is fundamentally new. It's not the normal state of affairs. And it is happening because only one group told them they had the answers to economic anxiety, and it told them the answer was to get rid of the Other.

That is why it is *enormously* important that the Democrats come up with their own answer. Because otherwise, neofascism will grow and spread and it will be terrifying.

I think this discussion is really interesting and enjoyable to read, but I do want to say the notion that people in Appalachia and rural districts were less racist 40 years ago is just not viable, nor does it pass the common sense test. Look at the changing views of mixed race marriage as a good indicator.

These people have always been like this. Trump gave them an outlet and a permission structure to behave and talk in this way, but it's not new. And Pat Buchanan never went as far as Trump did.
 
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P.S.: Also the fear that United had that it would lose federal contracts.

That's $700 per employee per year. Doesn't seem like much but apparently all you have to do as a corporation in Trump's America is cry and the state/fed will subsidize you because "Pro-Business!"
 
Genuinely, good luck. Have you looked into codeacademy or other MOOCs? They're really useful, I found, to widen your skillset.

I'm DBA (leaning more Data Architect than database administrator, but I do both). I quit coding a decade ago. Sticking with data.

Honestly data feels more secure job wise (maybe deluding myself here), but it's my preference anyway.
 

Maledict

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That's $700 per employee per year. Doesn't seem like much but apparently all you have to do as a corporation in Trump's America is cry and the state/fed will subsidize you because "Pro-Business!"

Just like Nisan and Brexit. These idiotic right wing push backs against the establishment just lead to a further transfer of wealth from normal people to the ultra rich and corporations. If we're going to subsidies jobs then let's just do it directly and pay people to build roads and train lines!
 
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I think this discussion is really interesting and enjoyable to read, but I do want to say the notion that people in Appalachia and rural districts were less racist 40 years ago is just not viable, nor does it pass the common sense test. Look at the changing views of mixed race marriage as a good indicator.

Oh, I'm not saying that - I agree that's very obviously not true! I'm saying they were less racist 10 years ago - that progress, so hard fought for, is being reversed. And that's what the data is showing. Racial resentment is increasing. Ethnic resentment is increasing - we know this as well as the Americans, with Poles killed on the streets of the UK in xenophobic attacks. And I think there's a fundamental motor behind this.
 
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Just like Nisan and Brexit. These idiotic right wing push backs against the establishment just lead to a further transfer of wealth from normal people to the ultra rich and corporations. If we're going to subsidies jobs then let's just do it directly and pay people to build roads and train lines!

Oh, Maledict, you do know how to dirty talk me. :3
 
Democracy isn't about solving problems anymore, it's about manipulating psychological behavior through brand marketing. The crises that humanity is facing in the next hundred years are not going to be solved through piecemeal legislative compromises by dysfunctional democratic bodies.

This isn't a problem particular to the US; this is a global problem. Democracy is failing because it was never designed to solve these kinds of things and it doesn't scale effectively. Global influence and power is swinging back to the East where autocratic governments can enforce their mandated solutions for better and worse.
 
Just like Nisan and Brexit. These idiotic right wing push backs against the establishment just lead to a further transfer of wealth from normal people to the ultra rich and corporations. If we're going to subsidies jobs then let's just do it directly and pay people to build roads and train lines!

I remember reading a book by a well known economist where he warned against these kinds of deals. Saying that when businessmen are offering up solutions there is no way it is in the publics interest.
 

studyguy

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P.S.: Also the fear that United had that it would lose federal contracts.

7M over 10 years is really all it took huh?
I would have expected much more. I suppose 10 years down the line they close up shop and bounce then?

The only thing I recall Xavier Becerra doing is putting Paul Ryan on full blast for him straight up lying about medicare.

WASHINGTON, DC – Democratic Caucus Chairman Xavier Becerra (CA-34) issued the statement below following Speaker Ryan’s misleading and unfair remarks on Medicare:

“Speaker Paul Ryan’s claims about Medicare are not only misleading, they’re unfair. For nearly five decades, Medicare has safeguarded the health and well-being of America’s seniors. Its guarantee of quality, affordable health care is helping over 55 million Americans live healthier lives with dignity and peace of mind.

“The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has not weakened Medicare, it has strengthened it. Today seniors are getting more healthcare for their dollar than they would have without the ACA. Thanks to the ACA, seniors now receive preventative check-ups without any co-payment and they pay less out-of-pocket for their prescription drugs. Medicare recipients have already saved $20 billion since 2010 from lower out-of-pocket drug costs.

“At a time when America’s baby-boomers are beginning to retire in full force, Congress should remain steadfast in strengthening Medicare, not privatizing it.”

First latino AG we moving up fam.
 
7M over 10 years is really all it took huh?
I would have expected much more. I suppose 10 years down the line they close up shop and bounce then?

10 years? I seriously doubt they are required to keep the full 1,000 hired for the full 10 years, even if the tax break is that long.
 

studyguy

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10 years? I seriously doubt they are required to keep the full 1,000 hired for the full 10 years, even if the tax break is that long.

Aye, that would make more sense. I recall them potentially gaining a lot more thanks to moving out of the US which is why the 7M figure sorta stuns me. Guess we'll see a few years from now.
 

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‏@mattyglesias 17m17 minutes ago Washington, DC

Democrats big problem is things like: Clinton carried a House district in Texas where the party literally didn't run a candidate.
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jfc

This is why they should go with Dean.
 
I'd rather be black and middle class than white and with no job.

Because you don't understand America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...ack-families-in-low-income-neighborhoods.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-kids-become-black-lower-class-adults/384613/

Middle class black families have worse lives and worse outcomes than poor white families. You would be choosing the worse option out of misplaced confidence in your understanding of how white supremacy operates.

Seriously Crab? Your continued ignorance and presumptions about the realities of life for black America makes it hard to take anything you have to say about racism or race relations seriously. I dunno, maybe go read about how Lyndon Johnson was running into the same damn problems 50 years ago or something, christ.
 

Balphon

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That's $700 per employee per year. Doesn't seem like much but apparently all you have to do as a corporation in Trump's America is cry and the state/fed will subsidize you because "Pro-Business!"

It isn't, but the value of the Carrier plant is peanuts compared to the ~6 billion per annum in federal contracts UTC holds.
 

B-Dubs

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jfc

This is why they should go with Dean.

The Texas wing of the party has been a joke for a while now. They just haven't been putting any real work in most of the time, if they worked as hard as the party does in places like Florida we'd have more seats there and maybe even throw it in the toss-up column faster.
 
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pigeon, that article just says that black middle class families have worse lives than white middle class families, and more chance of sliding backwards. That would be an entirely relevant response if I'd said "life is equally good for middle class black and white families", but I didn't. So you're not responding to me. You're just posting stuff that makes you feel right/on comfortable ground.
 
The Texas wing of the party has been a joke for a while now. They just haven't been putting any real work in most of the time, if they worked as hard as the party does in places like Florida we'd have more seats there and maybe even throw it in the toss-up column faster.
Isn't the Florida DNC pretty terrible?

Maybe Nevada is a better example
 

pigeon

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pigeon, that article just says that black middle class families have worse lives than white middle class families, and more chance of sliding backwards. That would be an entirely relevant response if I'd said "life is equally good for middle class black and white families", but I didn't. So you're not responding to me. You're just posting stuff that makes you feel right/on comfortable ground.

I literally cut out and pasted the bits that compare middle-class blacks to poor whites.
 
pigeon, that article just says that black middle class families have worse lives than white middle class families, and more chance of sliding backwards. That would be an entirely relevant response if I'd said "life is equally good for middle class black and white families", but I didn't. So you're not responding to me. You're just posting stuff that makes you feel right/on comfortable ground.



Poor whites tend to live in more affluent neighborhoods than do middle- class blacks and Latinos, a situation that leaves those minorities more likely to contend with weaker schools, higher crime and greater social problems, according to a new study.

The new research by scholars at the Stanford Graduate School of Education found that the gap separating black and Hispanic neighborhoods from white ones persists up and down the income ladder. A black household with an annual income of $50,000 lives on average in a neighborhood where the median income is under $43,000. But whites with the same income live in neighborhoods where the median income is almost $53,000—about 25 percent higher.

Meanwhile, white families with an annual income of just $13,000 on average live in neighborhoods where the median income is $45,000—slightly higher than the precincts occupied by middle-class blacks and just below that of middle-class Hispanics. The same dynamic holds for households that making $100,000 annually.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...orhoods-than-middle-class-blacks-and-latinos/

white families making 13k living in wealther neighbourhoods than black families making 50k.
 

Crocodile

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The fact that we are talking about the WHITE working class vote and not working class voters in general should tell you how important race, racism and race relations are to understanding how voting and the election played out and how critical they were to Trump's narrow victory. A restoration/growth of implicit or explicit white supremacy is what many of these voters want even if they would never directly harm a non-white person themselves. Let's also not forget that education and race were better predictors of who you would vote for this election than income. This is going to be a tough nut to crack in terms of policy and messaging but left populism, that is well executed and DOES NOT push minority concerns aside, I think will do more to energize non-voters than pull away the people who voted Trump.
 
Yeah, it seems like he's being groomed for it.

Might be too soon, though. Since if he wants to run for it, he'll have to start soon. Could be a bad look if he starts running for a different office after being appointed to AG

Feinstein could still run, too. But she'd be 91 when her term would run out in 2024.
 
Does the white person making 13k a year living in an area with a median income of 45k live with their parents or something? Share a one bedroom apartment with two people?

How much does self segregation have to do with a middle class black family living in a poorer area comparatively?
 

pigeon

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Does the white person making 13k a year living in an area with a median income of 45k live with their parents or something? Share a one bedroom apartment with two people?

How much does self segregation have to do with a middle class black family living in a poorer area comparatively?

Why call it "self-segregation" and not "societally mandated segregation?"
 
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I literally cut out and pasted the bits that compare middle-class blacks to poor whites.

There's literally only a single part of the data set that directly compares middle class blacks with poor whites, which is this:

Most strikingly, the typical middle-income black family lives in a neighborhood with lower incomes than the typical low-income white family.

The rest of the first part compares the home cost of middle-income blacks and whites, and the entire second part compares the social mobility of middle-income blacks and whites and then the social mobility of low-income blacks and whites, never comparing middle-income blacks and low-income whites.

As to the quote parted, I think that's reflective of how poverty is used as a weapon against blackness. If you are ostracized on account of your race, you're more likely to want to live with your own race. If your race is mostly kept poor, that means even if you're relatively wealthy, you're going to live in low-income areas.

I don't think this should be massively complicated. Put it a different way: would you rather be Oprah, or would you rather be Sue, a 62-year old white woman who lives in Mississippi and is out of work and has a recently fired husband who worked in manual labour? I think you'd be nuts not to say Oprah and you'll have to forgive me for dismissing you out of hand if you say Sue; I don't think you're being serious. So now slide down the scale. Start with Oprah, then go to Serena Williams, continue down til you're now a $250,000 a year black professional in Houston, and so on. My guess is that at the point you're a household earning $52,000 a year, you'd still pick that over being the white household with no income, or income in the $10,000 or below range.

And I just know you're going to say "you have no experience of blackness" - no, sure. But you have no experience of poverty, so... let's split the difference.

This is a facile argument, I know. Real life isn't like this. The main way blackness is oppressed is *through* poverty; black America is never given the choice to become middle class, and has to fight for it in every breath and every step, and even when they make it, they're not accepted for who they are. The recession hit black households harder than it did white ones; the collapse in manual labour caused a sharper decline in black employment than it did white employment. So, yes, there is an *enormous* intersectionality here - problems of class and race are deeply and perhaps inseparably intertwined. But that's why you have to work on them both, at the same time, if you want to solve them. You don't get to insist on solidarity for your issue, and then ignore it for others.

And what I see pigeon, is you saying: I don't really care about poverty. Not really. I want their solidarity for my issue, and then I'm done. You say you're a socialist, but if so: where are the receipts? Why aren't you talking about poverty as well? I've not seen you talk about the kind of grinding lack of dignity and unemployment faced by the poor of all races. I've not seen you talk about industrial decline and the collapse of unions. I've not seen you pointing out the devastating effect that unfettered free trade has had on manual America. In fact, I've seen you cheering on both free trade and the candidates of free trade uncritically. Now: I believe you. I know you think you're a socialist - and I mean that in the old, proper sense of socialism, as a class movement and not an ideology. But we've talked a lot, and I have the patience a comfortable life affords.

Do the working class believe you?
 
I literally cut out and pasted the bits that compare middle-class blacks to poor whites.

Seriously, this is a jumping the shark moment to claim you'd rather be black than white given the choice; it doesn't matter what your economic variable is (Oprah, really?). It is tone deaf beyond belief and serves only to minimize the impacts and suffering caused by racism. Racism has always come first in America, not poverty. It is the definition of ignorance at best if you assume that money/education trumps the reality of living with and dealing with racism on a daily basis.

The discrepancy is particularly striking in the Health context where educated blacks still have it worse than uneducated whites. Racism infects your quality of life on a fundamental level.

 
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