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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented

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This is I guess the Democratic version of make America great again. The New Deal wasn't universal in its application. And the reason it fell apart is similar to the reason that means testing doesn't go down well with a lot of white voters.

A long excerpt from a 2008 working paper by Ruy Teixeira and Alan Abramowitz.
The New Deal Democratic worldview was based on a combination of the Democrats’ historic populist commitment to the average working American and their experience in battling the Great Depression (and building their political coalition) through increased government spending and regulation and the promotion of labor unions. It was really a rather simple philosophy, even if the application of it was complex. Government should help the average person through vigorous government spending. Capitalism needs regulation to work properly. Labor unions are good. Putting money in the average person’s pocket is more important than rarified worries about the quality of life. Traditional morality is to be respected, not challenged. Racism and the like are bad, but not so bad that the party should depart from its main mission of material uplift for the average American. That worldview had deep roots in an economy dominated by mass production industries and was politically based among the workers, overwhelmingly white, in those industries. And it helped make the Democrats the undisputed party of the white working class.

Their dominance among these voters was, in turn, the key to their political success. To be sure, there were important divisions among these voters–by country of origin (German, Scandinavian, Eastern European, English, Irish, Italian, etc.), by religion (Protestants vs. Catholics), and by region (South vs. non-South)–that greatly complicated the politics of this group, but New Deal Democrats mastered these complications and maintained a deep base among these voters.

Of course, the New Deal Coalition as originally forged did include most blacks and was certainly cross-class, especially among groups like Jews and southerners. But the prototypical member of the coalition was indeed an ethnic white worker—commonly visualized as working in a unionized factory, but also including those who weren’t in unions or who toiled in other blue collar settings (construction, transportation, etc.). It was these voters who provided the numbers for four FDR election victories and Harry Truman’s narrow victory in 1948 and who provided political support for the emerging U.S. welfare state, with its implicit social contract and greatly expanded role for government.

Even in the 1950’s, with Republican Dwight Eisenhower as President, the white working class continued to put Democrats in Congress and to support the expansion of the welfare state, as a roaring U.S. economy delivered the goods and government poured money into roads, science, schools and whatever else seemed necessary to build up the country. This era, stretching back into the late 40’s and forward to the mid-60’s, was the era that created the first mass middle class in the world—a middle class that even factory workers could enter, since they could earn relatively comfortable livings even without high levels of education or professional skills. A middle class, in other words, that members of the white working class could reasonably aspire to and frequently attain. So New Deal Democrats depended on the white working class for political support and the white working class depended on the Democrats to run government and the economy in a way that kept that upward escalator to the middle class moving. Social and cultural issues were not particularly important to this mutually beneficial relationship; indeed they had only a peripheral role in the uncomplicated progressivism that animated the Democratic party of the ‘30s, ‘40s and ‘50s. But that arrangement and that uncomplicated progressivism could not and did not survive the decline of mass production industries and the rise of postindustrial capitalism.
During the Sixties, these new demands on the welfare state came to a head. Americans’ concern about their quality of life overflowed from the two-car garage to clean air and water and safe automobiles; from higher wages to government guaranteed health care in old age; and from access to jobs to equal opportunities for men and women and blacks and whites. Out of these concerns came the environmental, consumer, civil rights and feminist movements of the Sixties. As Americans abandoned the older ideal of selfdenial and the taboos that accompanied it, they embraced a libertarian ethic of personal life. Women asserted their sexual independence through the use of birth control pills and through exercising the right to have an abortion. Adolescents experimented with sex and courtship. Homosexuals “came out” and openly congregated in bars and neighborhoods. Of these changes, the one with most far-reaching political effects was the civil rights movement and its demands for equality and economic progress for black America. Democrats, both because of their traditional, if usually downplayed, anti-racist ideology and their political relationship to the black community, had no choice but to respond to those demands. The result was a great victory for social justice, but one that created huge political difficulties for the Democrats among their white working class supporters.

But if race was the chief vehicle by which the New Deal coalition was torn apart, it was by no means the only one. White working class voters also reacted poorly to the extremes with which the rest of the new social movements became identified. Feminism became identified with bra-burners, lesbians and hostility to the nuclear family; the antiwar movement with appeasement of the Third World radicals and the Soviet Union; the environmental movement with a Luddite opposition to economic growth; and the move toward more personal freedom with a complete abdication of personal responsibility. Thus the New Deal Democrat mainstream that dominated the party was confronted with a challenge. The uncomplicated commitments to government spending, economic regulation and labor unions that had defined the Democrats’ progressivism for over thirty years suddenly provided little guidance for dealing with an explosion of potential new constituencies for the party. Their demands for equality, and for a better, as opposed to merely richer, life were starting to redefine what progressivism meant and the Democrats had to struggle to catch up.
there was no guarantee, of course, that gains among these new constituencies wouldn’t be more than counter-balanced by losses among their old constituency—the white working class—who had precious little interest in this expansion of what it meant to be a progressive and a Democrat. And indeed that turned out to be the case with the nomination and disastrous defeat of George McGovern–who enthusiastically embraced the new direction taken by the party–in 1972. McGovern’s commitment to the traditional Democratic welfare state was unmistakable. But so was his commitment to all the various social movements and constituencies that were re-shaping the party, whose demands were enshrined in McGovern’s campaign platform. That made it easy for the Nixon campaign to typecast McGovern as the candidate of “acid, amnesty and abortion”. The white working class reacted accordingly and gave Nixon overwhelming support at the polls, casting 70 percent of their votes for the Republican candidate.
 
It was super nice of Trump to cause an international incident by calling the president of Taipei. Why would he d--

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/18/trump_taiwan_expand.php

A representative from the Trump Organization paid a visit to Taoyuan in September, expressing interest in the city's Aerotropolis, a large-scale urban development project aimed at capitalizing on Taoyuan's status as a transport hub for East Asia, Taiwan News reports.With the review process for the Aerotropolis still underway, Taoyuan's mayor referred to the subject of the meeting as mere investment speculation. Other reports indicate that Eric Trump, the president-elect's second son and executive vice president of the Trump Organization, will be coming to Taoyuan later this year to discuss the potential business opportunity.

Trump's globe-spanning business ventures have drawn criticism for their potential to create conflicts of interest while he is in office. Although the President and Vice President are exempted from federal conflicts of interest law, almost every office-holder in the past 50 years has turned over their assets to be managed by an independent trustee after being elected. Under this financial arrangement, called a "blind trust," the president would have no knowledge of the trustee's actions or investments, allowing him to make decisions with a higher degree of impartiality.

However, President-elect Trump has broken with this tradition through his pledge to turn over management of his company to his children Ivanka, Eric and Donald Jr. after he assumes office. While Trump and his children have still referred to this arrangement as a "blind trust," this decision has several obvious flaws, mainly that it is not "blind" at all. Adding to this ethical quagmire is the Trump childrens' presence on their father's White House transition team, which recently asked the government if the family members could receive top security clearance.
Ah.
 
The phrase, "Define far left" has been invoked so many times that I think the very fact of using that phrase should indicate the person who invoked it is far left.
 
Sarah Palin: Trump's Carrier deal is 'crony capitalism'
Another conservative is calling “crony capitalism” on Donald Trump’s deal with Carrier, albeit an unexpected one — Sarah Palin.

In an op-ed for the website Young Conservatives, the former Alaska governor allowed that the details behind the manufacturer’s decision to keep some 1,000 jobs in Indiana at the president-elect’s behest, rather than move them to Mexico, are not yet clear. But touting the value of free markets, Palin signaled her disapproval if it was a case of “political intrusion using a stick or carrot to bribe or force one individual business to do what politicians insist.”

“When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent,” she asserted.

And in an apparent jab at Trump, whom she famously endorsed in a rambling speech earlier this year, she asked: “Republicans oppose this, remember? Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.”

The op-ed is not subtle: Palin described such government intervention as a “hallmark of corruption” and “socialism,” and then compared it to policies of the Obama administration, which she regularly rails against.

well there's that.
 

Rebel Leader

THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I thought it was deleted but myb phone got the the linkbwrong

Edit:

I found tweets related to This
Sam Stein
4h4 hours ago
Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp
i find it hard to believe that Trump did this deal because of these investments. they’re minor. But this is why you divest/blind trust



for primary doc purposes, this is the 5/16/2016 Trump financial disclosure report with the United Technologies investment on it
https://mobile.twitter.com/samsteinh...61205248323585

I still don't see the point deletingthat one
 

Debirudog

Member
Hillary failed on health care reform but then came out and played a big part in making child health insurance affordable for families.

So enough with this distasteful attitude of delegitimizing Clinton. She lost and isn't playing a big part anymore, stop trying to take away any dignity from her legacy.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Please please don't start a trade war with China. My company finally got manufacturing properly sorted out and set up, we can't afford to do it again somewhere else
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Hey, Sarah Palin of all Republicans remembered to stay consistent on this and decry the government picking winners and losers.

Nothing makes sense anymore, nothing.
 

A Human Becoming

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Looking closer at the exit polls I found a good example of why to be skeptical: if you do the math, almost all of the additional votes Trump got over Romney came from minorities. His white support would have remained flat (~55 million) due to the number of white men he gained being canceled out by the number of white women he lost.

If any of this is close to true this election should be more about where people voted than who did. I agree with assessments that factors like education and race were important, but probably less so when you look at the larger picture. This election almost feels like a cultural divide between California and the Rust Belt states due to Hillary's contrasting performance in each region.

EDIT: Interestingly enough, the fewer number of votes she got in Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania than Obama (~1.21 mil) is not too far off from the amount she gained over him in California and Texas (~1.3 mil).
 

pigeon

Banned
Looking closer at the exit polls I found a good example of why to be skeptical: if you do the math, almost all of the additional votes Trump got over Romney came from minorities. His white support would have remained flat (~55 million) due to the number of white men he gained being canceled out by the number of white women he lost.

If any of this is close to true this election should be more about where people voted than who did. I agree with assessments that factors like education and race were important, but probably less so when you look at the larger picture. This election almost feels like a cultural divide between California and the Rust Belt states due to Hillary's contrasting performance in each region.

EDIT: Interestingly enough, the fewer number of votes she got in Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania than Obama (~1.21 mil) is not too far off from the amount she gained over him in California and Texas (~1.3 mil).

It isn't true, though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...exas-he-won-much-less/?utm_term=.ead4030454a2

wapo said:
These estimates strongly suggest that the exit poll estimates (61 percent to 34 percent) underestimate Clinton’s strength among Hispanics in Texas. The Latino Decisions exit poll in Texas — which reported that 80 percent of Latinos voted for Clinton and 16 percent for Trump — appears closer to the truth.
 

faisal233

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/sarah-palin-donald-trump-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism-232139


Another conservative is calling “crony capitalism” on Donald Trump’s deal with Carrier, albeit an unexpected one — Sarah Palin.

In an op-ed for the website Young Conservatives, the former Alaska governor allowed that the details behind the manufacturer’s decision to keep some 1,000 jobs in Indiana at the president-elect’s behest, rather than move them to Mexico, are not yet clear. But touting the value of free markets, Palin signaled her disapproval if it was a case of “political intrusion using a stick or carrot to bribe or force one individual business to do what politicians insist.”


“When government steps in arbitrarily with individual subsidies, favoring one business over others, it sets inconsistent, unfair, illogical precedent,” she asserted.

And in an apparent jab at Trump, whom she famously endorsed in a rambling speech earlier this year, she asked: “Republicans oppose this, remember? Instead, we support competition on a level playing field, remember? Because we know special interest crony capitalism is one big fail.”

The op-ed is not subtle: Palin described such government intervention as a “hallmark of corruption” and “socialism,” and then compared it to policies of the Obama administration, which she regularly rails against.

“A $20 trillion debt-ridden country can’t afford this sinfully stupid practice,” she cautioned, “so vigilantly guard against its continuance, or we’re doomed.”

Some establishment conservatives, like The Wall Street Journal editorial board, have come out against the Carrier deal, arguing that it sacrifices free market principles. But Palin’s criticism is more surprising because of her vocal support for Trump and her own populist, anti-establishment appeal. Her name has also been floated as a possible head of Veterans Affairs in the Trump administration.

Palin — who is being considered to run the Department of Veterans Affairs — did stop short of a full-out rebuke of Trump, writing, “Gotta’ have faith the Trump team knows all this.”

“I’ll be the first to acknowledge concerns over a deal cut by leveraging taxpayer interests to make a manufacturer stay put are unfounded — once terms are made public,” she wrote.

Although some details behind the deal remain unclear, the state of Indiana offered Carrier $7 million in tax subsidies over 10 years to stay.

I'm certain that we are living in a computer simulation.
 

dramatis

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She was the wife of a former president while running for the primary. It is hard to understand this attempt to romanticize Clinton.
There is no romanticizing here, Melkr. Unless you would like to argue that being Mrs. Clinton hasn't hurt Hillary Clinton, then feel free.
What does your birth have to do with whether you're a mainstream Democrat in 2016?

Are you defining "mainstream" in some different way that I am? I'm confused. I consider Barack Obama a mainstream Democrat also (he's literally won 2 popularity contests in the past 8 years). Does his blackness and upbringing also prevent him from being mainstream?
I feel like something that people never understand is how minorities and women are not mainstream or establishment or whatever label you would like to give them in the government. They never acknowledge the extra work minorities and women have to put in to be equals, and they never apologize for the smears.
 

Odrion

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A Human Becoming

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It's kind of a bummer seeing some people on social media hold out hope for the Electoral College to change their vote. Like, they know it's not going to happen right? It's just a form of protest and not something they think will actually happen?

Personally, I'm just trying to be hopeful that our first war in the next couple of years won't be that bad. Maybe the first couple wars will be lighthearted affairs against countries Trump just made up.
 

kirblar

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That's just Texas, we don't know about the country as a whole. I wouldn't be surprised though if she did better than Hispanics and that Trump did better with whites than exit polls said.

Upshot found exit polls in 2012 likely overestimated Obama's support with Hispanics: opposite is likely true with Clinton.
Exits are just kinda bad in general.
 

faisal233

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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
If the last year didn't terrify them then nothing will. The elector system's purpose of weeding out shitty leaders has been defunct for quite some time.

It will also become the best argument that the system needs to go.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I won't survive four years of this. He's not even in office yet, and he's absolutely racing to put all diplomatic relations at the mercy of his business dealings.
 
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