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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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Some dude claimed that if Clinton can keep 8+ margin, House Majority is in play.
Nah, CU is going down in the courts. There's so much other, more pressing, issues to deal with.
Slurpy2k20
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"We can start making Apple computers in this country".
Apple computers are made in this country, you fucknut.
WE HAVE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE SUPPORTING US. THE SMARTEST!
I like this new line he's repeating. Do you really have the smartest supporters? Do you?
Apple computers are made in this country, you fucknut.
WE HAVE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE SUPPORTING US. THE SMARTEST!
I like this new line he's repeating. Do you really have the smartest supporters? Do you?
eBay Huckster
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confirm garland, confirm ginsburg's replacement, infrastructure bill, immigration reform bill (both of which are imperative that she passes ASAP, especially the infrastructure bill), probably a couple other things i'm forgetting about
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Everyone let me talk about my nameless friend
balladofwindfishes
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I wouldn't want her to waste her time on an Amendment that isn't going to be ratified by 2/3 of the states
Because when it fails, she'll be blamed. And she would have wasted time on something everyone knows isn't going to get passed.
Health care and student debt are feasible options. Improve Obamacare and get something on the books for student loans. Maybe some minimum wage stuff as well (12 should be fairly easy to swallow for more on the fence blue dogs)
The Citizens United Amendment is fairly obvious pandering in my opinion.
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BlastProcessing
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It's possible, it's really possible. The fact that Trump has a glaring demographic weakness (Suburban, college-educated whites) in an area that is usually a GOP strength opens up an entirely new area for Democrats to attack.
The RNC is already taking on more responsibility for the Presidential election than they ever have before due to Trump's complete lack of an organization. Does the RNC have the ability to fight on multiple fronts? You might just say that the RNC will just pull support for Trump, but doing that might have disastrous effects on turnout.
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Dubbedinenglish
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CU will probably be done with the courts.
I want her to for immigration reform, and a public works infrastructure plan through.
Slurpy2k20
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How many times is he gonna repeat this "I have a friend who builds plants" story? I think it's 100% bullshit.
Felix Lighter
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Youchey. A shell of a man.
balladofwindfishes
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I think the Public Option is very much on the table if Dems hold all three branches.
I think it's finally time.
I think it's finally time.
eBay Huckster
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right, that. that's one of the things i was forgetting
Mike Cernovich has taken over the conspiracy right by arguing that Hillary has mental health problems that will kill her based...... well nothing, but.
Mike Cernovich was one of the main GamerGaters and has thoughts about semen.
#HillarysHealth and #HillaryKilledSethRich are the only things going on in the Trump sphere right now.
GameGaters are weird, nothing shocking about that.
nature boy
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Oh RLY?
Trump saying he has a chance in Michigan.
LOL
Have a tough time getting through the Filibuster.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Trump alao said something about atuff not going theough congress
Aaron Strife
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Btw if Trump is leading in three Dem-held districts they're probably FL-2, MN-7 and NE-2. FL-2 is generally agreed upon as gone (a worthy price to pay for redistricting giving us better opportunities elsewhere in FL), Peterson pretty much has MN-7 for life and Ashford lucked out in NE-2 by having no serious opponents.
There are only two other Romney district Democrats, Ann Kirkpatrick and Patrick Murphy who are both Senate candidates, but if Clinton is flipping their districts they'll probably be holds in the general.
Clinton flipping so many Romney districts will be problematic for Republicans because if Democrats carry even half of those downballot they're in spitting distance of a majority. And even if they fell only a seat or two short that puts Ryan in a really shitty position as he'd need to keep his caucus 100% in line in order to prevent Democrats from having functional control of the House.
I dunno if Dems would want to relitigate the healthcare reform fight but idk they could.
A PPACA "fix" bill that includes a public option, Medicare buy-in starting at age 55 and some way of making up for the states that didn't expand Medicaid (which I expect more to if Clinton wins anyway as I imagine most GOP governors are holding out hope that it just gets repealed by a Republican president) would be pretty rad. Along with some technical fixes and stuff like letting Medicare negotiate for drug prices rather than paying higher fixed rates. It would bring ACA much closer to being universal.
I would like Dems to get some form of free college through though, so it'll be up to Clinton and leadership to decide what to spend any political capital on I guess.
There are only two other Romney district Democrats, Ann Kirkpatrick and Patrick Murphy who are both Senate candidates, but if Clinton is flipping their districts they'll probably be holds in the general.
Clinton flipping so many Romney districts will be problematic for Republicans because if Democrats carry even half of those downballot they're in spitting distance of a majority. And even if they fell only a seat or two short that puts Ryan in a really shitty position as he'd need to keep his caucus 100% in line in order to prevent Democrats from having functional control of the House.
A public option could pass via reconciliation.
I dunno if Dems would want to relitigate the healthcare reform fight but idk they could.
A PPACA "fix" bill that includes a public option, Medicare buy-in starting at age 55 and some way of making up for the states that didn't expand Medicaid (which I expect more to if Clinton wins anyway as I imagine most GOP governors are holding out hope that it just gets repealed by a Republican president) would be pretty rad. Along with some technical fixes and stuff like letting Medicare negotiate for drug prices rather than paying higher fixed rates. It would bring ACA much closer to being universal.
I would like Dems to get some form of free college through though, so it'll be up to Clinton and leadership to decide what to spend any political capital on I guess.
neurosisxeno
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They're fuckasses. No other way to describe it.
BlastProcessing
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Dubbedinenglish
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BobTheFork
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Somehow getting ahold of congress will be a boon and a burden for her.
The ability to pass what you want...you had better get shit done or it's back to GOP congress for another 20.
The second the democrats get congress thought, I expect them to immediately turn on each other and FAIL!
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Policing reform plz
eBay Huckster
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and that's the other missing thing!
so, two SCOTUS confirmations (assuming ginsburg retires before 2018), infrastructure, immigration reform, the public option, and policing reform
e: and also raising the minimum wage
BlastProcessing
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@onlxn 2m2 minutes ago
TRUMP: Hey, just wanna say: happy anniversary.
RYAN: What?
TRUMP: It's now been a full 24 hours of you ducking my thing about killing people
TRUMP: Hey, just wanna say: happy anniversary.
RYAN: What?
TRUMP: It's now been a full 24 hours of you ducking my thing about killing people
whyamihere
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It's definitely FL-2 and MN-7, but it could also be AZ-01 because it's so much more rural than NE-02. That would make more sense to me.
- Public option
- Min. wage hike
- Infrastructure bill
These should be the big 3 on Hillary's plate. All of which are (relatively) uncontroversial policies.
But, if we had a choice between retaking the house or retaking the senate, I would go with the latter as having the SC would fix many of our problems even if Hillary never gets a single bill passed.
- Min. wage hike
- Infrastructure bill
These should be the big 3 on Hillary's plate. All of which are (relatively) uncontroversial policies.
But, if we had a choice between retaking the house or retaking the senate, I would go with the latter as having the SC would fix many of our problems even if Hillary never gets a single bill passed.
Agreed on all of it. Especially on the Public Option being job #1. It's literally sitting on the cutting room floor of the House waiting to be enacted.
whyamihere
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I feel like this would play better in PA than in AZ.
Trump's hits on Kaine are particularly weak.
"He raised your taxes by 4 billion dollars."
Going to have to get a fact check to see the break down, but I have a feeling it's on the top incomes and top corporate earners.
"Your GDP averaged a 1.1% increase in his tenor"
That sounds like a positive.
"Virigina lost 60,000 Manufacturing jobs."
Along with the rest of first world countries. It's a complete false narrative that Trump is going to bring these jobs back. This isn't a negative, it's a reality.
"He raised your taxes by 4 billion dollars."
Going to have to get a fact check to see the break down, but I have a feeling it's on the top incomes and top corporate earners.
"Your GDP averaged a 1.1% increase in his tenor"
That sounds like a positive.
"Virigina lost 60,000 Manufacturing jobs."
Along with the rest of first world countries. It's a complete false narrative that Trump is going to bring these jobs back. This isn't a negative, it's a reality.
Yes yes yes. I wonder what her ad buys are like.... maybe I should watch some local TV for once lol.
I have gotten her ads once or twice on youtube though.
BrokenFiction
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Low Energy.
Roland_Gunner
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I'd be fairly surprised to see both Breyer and Ginsburg leave in two years. That would mean three new justices all crammed together. Stuff like that matters inside the court.
Hillary's priorities will crucially depend on how strong her legislative support is. It will also become more clear as the election gets closer. But here's my early guess....
Easy(ish) wins:
1) New Justice. Obvious.
2) Alzheimer's and Autism. Relatively apolitical, and clearly important to her. Good wins to get early on.
3) Lead abatement. Classic Hilldawg - overlooked but important. After Flint, hard for anyone to grandstand on.
4) Criminal justice reform. Increasingly bipartisan.
5) Min wage. At the end of the day, no one wants to raise to much of a fight on this one.
Tougher fights:
1) Infrastructure bank, other infrastructure spending. Republicans hate spending money. But important long term investment, and the bank could really improve how we manage this process.
2) Immigration reform. One of Obama's bigger L's, long time coming, important politically.
3) Family leave / child care / pre-k. Combining these as a sort of "family package". My guess is a move that attempts the insanely expensive but important pre-k, but gets watered down.
4)The "Bernie Agenda". I don't know if I expect to see a public option happen or massive higher Ed overhaul in the first Congress honestly.
5) Gun control. Never easy, probably won't be early no matter what.
This is just my early read. I think we will get more signals from.the campaign over time. And honestly who can say at this point...there are a ton of variables.
Easy(ish) wins:
1) New Justice. Obvious.
2) Alzheimer's and Autism. Relatively apolitical, and clearly important to her. Good wins to get early on.
3) Lead abatement. Classic Hilldawg - overlooked but important. After Flint, hard for anyone to grandstand on.
4) Criminal justice reform. Increasingly bipartisan.
5) Min wage. At the end of the day, no one wants to raise to much of a fight on this one.
Tougher fights:
1) Infrastructure bank, other infrastructure spending. Republicans hate spending money. But important long term investment, and the bank could really improve how we manage this process.
2) Immigration reform. One of Obama's bigger L's, long time coming, important politically.
3) Family leave / child care / pre-k. Combining these as a sort of "family package". My guess is a move that attempts the insanely expensive but important pre-k, but gets watered down.
4)The "Bernie Agenda". I don't know if I expect to see a public option happen or massive higher Ed overhaul in the first Congress honestly.
5) Gun control. Never easy, probably won't be early no matter what.
This is just my early read. I think we will get more signals from.the campaign over time. And honestly who can say at this point...there are a ton of variables.
eBay Huckster
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in unrelated news to policy, I just realized my username is an anagram for "Trash Buckeye" and now I can't stop laughing
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I like this very much
Aaron Strife
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Well AZ-1 was on the cusp anyway but NE-2 was a comfortable Romney win. Even if it's swingier I'd imagine it'd take a lot less for her to flip AZ-1.
In any case.
Not sure what I would choose, to be honest. I think the Senate leadership is far more rational than the House leadership, they'd probably let some Garland-esque appointments through which would still shift the balance of the Court considerably.
I think she owes policing reform and immigration reform to the minority communities that came out big for her, both in the primaries and (likely) the general. I know she's also said a pay equity bill is a top priority for her, and as the first female president it's certainly be appropriate.
whyamihere
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I don't think the public option will be one of the things that Hillary tries to pass first.
Agreed. There is enough hate for ACA as it is. Second term would be my guess.
whyamihere
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Also, in the miracle that we take back the House, Pelosi cannot be the Speaker. She's too much of a lightning rod.
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