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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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Even a stopped watch is right twice a day.
BlastProcessing
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/washington/12agent.html
This is from 2008. Manafort's been on the radar for iffy ties since 2005/6. God, I want to know what the FBI/CIA has on this guy.
Spoiled Milk
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That's exactly what I think when I read Trump tweets
I go out drinking and come home to news that Manafort is getting paid by the Russians?
And that Ivanka is vacationing with Putin's daughter?
If I wrote this book I'd be laughed out of every literary agent's office in the city. How does this election keep getting better and better?
Forget "Game Change 3," they need to call this one "The Fuckery."
And that Ivanka is vacationing with Putin's daughter?
If I wrote this book I'd be laughed out of every literary agent's office in the city. How does this election keep getting better and better?
Forget "Game Change 3," they need to call this one "The Fuckery."
"Manafort? Time for some more baileys in my cereal."
Absolutely.
VendettaRed07
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Pierson will probably say "Well the Clinton Foundation is worse, and what about those emails, and transcripts. At least it wasn't Trump himself, Hillary does this sort of thing own her own."
AntraxSuicide
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It's less those deadlines (and we've passed a ton of them, so I don't think the RNC could get on all 50), but by RNC rules (which can't be changed now), we're past the point where Trump can be ousted without his consent. Unless he voluntarily leaves the party or dies, they're stuck with him. To dump him is to publicly put their fingers on the scale and it would destroy their party.
The house is on fire anyway, but they're hoping to salvage the basement at least.
He hates Manafort. He's always liked Corey more, and I guarantee a bunch of Trump's decisions recently (Pence, teleprompters, etc...) are coming after long arguments with Manafort. And that's a bad thing for Trump because...
...Trump only likes yes men! His campaign adds up perfectly in that light. Under no circumstances has Trump ever made a mistake. Ever. Anyone who says that (who isn't his own kids) would be fired or ignored on the spot. They don't talk about Florida offices in front of Trump because it would be implying that they don't have enough. That would be a mistake, and Trump doesn't make mistakes.
He basically believes he's a Chuck Norris meme, come to life. No one in this campaign has any real authority. It's like how some control freak owners of businesses (like restaurants) will hire managers to run the place when they're out, but they don't give them hiring/firing/product/etc... power, so all the employees know that they're a manager in name only. Trump's staff is like that. There's the only actual manager, Trump (and family). Then there are a lot of people who are called managers but don't actually have any authority to make decisions with resources. Then you have the worker bees who have no instruction because Trump doesn't care to give them instructions and the managers don't have the power to do so either.
This campaign is off the rails. I'd wager most of the staff at this point is just cashing a check (and drinking heavily since they'll only work again if they can hide this job from a background check). No one on board actually believes in "Make America Great Again" because the only people that do believe that stuff are fringe nutjobs who can't hold down jobs. Katrina Pierson made it the furthest up the chain (as a nutjob herself), and now even she's showing why you can't hire these people.
When a bad organization crashes, there are usually difficulties in getting the truth out of it if people in the org were loyal to its goals. That's not going to be the case here; we'll find a shit ton of people looking to spill the beans on November 9th as fast as possible because there's just no way anyone working for Trump could possibly care about his message enough to safeguard it against prying eyes.
And there's more? This is the best election ever.
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RustyNails
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This fucker has been messing with our politics for so long. Having him this close to the reins of US government is absolutely unnerving. He's the clearest example of someone working for the foreign state. Like, he's a character straight out of Jack Ryan novel.
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Cross posting, but I know everyone here knows all of this already. But wow when you see it all laid out...
Let's all lay this out nice and plain:
1) Trump has praised Putin numerous times, calling him a far better leader than Obama.
2) Donald Trump has taken an anti-NATO stance.
3) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine.
4) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advisers traveled to Russia and gave a speech attacking America's policies towards Russia, calling America's focus on democratization and fighting inequality "hypocritical."
5) The Intelligence community has confirmed that Russian Intelligence is responsible for the hacking of the DNC, which is an obvious attempt to harm Hillary Clinton's campaign.
6) Furthermore, Donald Trump called on Russia to release/hack any emails they could get their hands on.
7) Trump's campaign manager has ties to pro-Putin oligarchs who were propped up by the Kremlin. This isn't new information. As long ago as 2005, there were calls to McCain's people to try and do something about Manafort because he was working against American interests in the region.
8) Now we know Manafort received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence!
Seems fine to me. I can't imagine why this would raise any red flags to anyone.
Let's all lay this out nice and plain:
1) Trump has praised Putin numerous times, calling him a far better leader than Obama.
2) Donald Trump has taken an anti-NATO stance.
3) Donald Trump's campaign's ONLY intervention in the entire GOP platform was to remove anti-Putin language from the platform re: Ukraine.
4) Not only that, but just days before the RNC, Carter Paige, one of Trump's foreign policy advisers traveled to Russia and gave a speech attacking America's policies towards Russia, calling America's focus on democratization and fighting inequality "hypocritical."
5) The Intelligence community has confirmed that Russian Intelligence is responsible for the hacking of the DNC, which is an obvious attempt to harm Hillary Clinton's campaign.
6) Furthermore, Donald Trump called on Russia to release/hack any emails they could get their hands on.
7) Trump's campaign manager has ties to pro-Putin oligarchs who were propped up by the Kremlin. This isn't new information. As long ago as 2005, there were calls to McCain's people to try and do something about Manafort because he was working against American interests in the region.
8) Now we know Manafort received a cash payment of more than $12 million. Which, I mean, seeing how good he is at running a campaign is clearly money based on competence!
Seems fine to me. I can't imagine why this would raise any red flags to anyone.
That Bill and Ivanka are involved.
Holy shit! This makes the e-mail scandal look like an innocent game of telephone.
Hope the media does their jobs this week. We can't let a guy like that get inside the white house.
metalslimer
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Manafort will be gone by the end of the week is my prediction. Trump doesn't like him and he certainly doesn't like the main story not being about him.
The only question is if Corey comes back.
The only question is if Corey comes back.
Considering the attacks she's been hit with for the last 26+ years, this is her karma.
AntraxSuicide
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If Manafort is fired, then Corey is back (he's probably the only person who would take the job). I think it'll happen; Trump caved on this decision and has probably hated it ever since. Corey was a sports car for Trump's mid-life crisis, and Manafort was the sedan the kids argued for. Well, he bought the sedan and now it got dinged in the grocery store parking lot. He's getting his sports car now.
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Was Kaine's op-ed posted? I'm sure it was, but this really stood out to me:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/opinions/affordable-housing-election-clinton-kaine/
I would LOVE to hear the campaign discussions going on at Trump tower right now.
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The question is how do you fire Manafort and distance yourself sufficiently from him without admitting any guilt/association.
I guess you go with "His continued employment was becoming a distraction to the campaign" but even that's not going to satisfy the media. Any decision Manafort made, specifically the language in the platform, is going to come back and rear it's big ugly head.
I guess you go with "His continued employment was becoming a distraction to the campaign" but even that's not going to satisfy the media. Any decision Manafort made, specifically the language in the platform, is going to come back and rear it's big ugly head.
shinra-bansho
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Kushner probably becomes campaign manager.
Ivanka campaign chair.
Ivanka campaign chair.
Not only that, but think about what Manafort will do if he is fired. I doubt he will stay quiet about what's gone on behind the scene and we all know that he has seen some SHIT behind the scenes.
Spoiled Milk
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Firing him is the best decision. You're not going to get in trouble for hiring a Putin fuckboy because Paul Manafort was in charge of the Reagan and George Sr. campaigns so pretty much everyone assumed him to be gold. That's faultless.
...or it tarnishes Reagan's name forever.
No. Manafort is a Republican true believer. He wouldn't try to discredit the party afterward by discrediting Trump.
You forget that the four most important strategists in modern Republican history were Karl Rove, Lee Atwater, Roger Stone, and Paul Manafort. Those people don't try and shit the bed just because they fell off of it.
Wow. I would have been so livid and gone crazy. That really struck at me. Kaine is is wonderful man for his career. Thanks for sharing this article Adam!
He'll sue the Times for libel.
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If I take off my tin foil hat for a second, imagine if Putin IS behind some of this. Like, does Trump have the guts to cut him out without permission? While that's speculation, it's still something to think about.
No, we can't. The thing is, keeping him is no better/worse really. There's no good, rational answer here. All options are pretty much equally bad.
How does the campaign even go about firing Manafort considering the policy positions were completely pro-Russian.
Putin should have been writing the checks directly to Trump.
BlastProcessing
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In a functional campaign, Manafort would fall on his sword and resign...
So my best guess is that Trump's response is to go ahead and add the NYT to the media blacklist.
Actually I imagine he'll say something down right insane so as to distract from all this.
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This is probably his play.
Like, totally. I imagine they have a drawer somewhere that is full of batshit things for him to do at a moments notice.
Let's be honest here, Trump is going to go on a tweetstorm tomorrow morning and spend 35 minutes at his next rally on the dishonest, failing NYT
Give Ukraine the nukes. Believe me, Obama was there, but I wasn't there yet, but mark this down, Putin won't go into Ukraine then
Give Ukraine the nukes. Believe me, Obama was there, but I wasn't there yet, but mark this down, Putin won't go into Ukraine then
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Honestly, real talk?
There's like 30% of my brain that says the NYT chose to release this to fuck up his speech tomorrow out of nothing more than pure spite. Because, that's something I'd totally do because I'm a bitch.
There's like 30% of my brain that says the NYT chose to release this to fuck up his speech tomorrow out of nothing more than pure spite. Because, that's something I'd totally do because I'm a bitch.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's part of a series they have planned and we get something else tomorrow.
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Don't forget that Russian oligarchs are funding (or at least very likely funding) Trump's business ventures.
That's the kind of thing that sends chills down your spine.
Spoiled Milk
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It'd be pretty cool to be Paul Manafort and have powerful friends in high places in Russia while simultaneously being a key figure in American politics.
Really goes to show that this is truly the land of the free.
Really goes to show that this is truly the land of the free.
BlastProcessing
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whyamihere
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I was thinking the same thing.
User 463088
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The thing is wasn't it Trump's spawn that was pushing him on the campaign? I think Trump wants Corey back.
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