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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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You guys think that if Democrats take back the House in November (with a C+10 win, it's possible), there would be less Blue Dogs thanks to Republican gerrymandering? And the Democratic majority would be more open for progressive reform compared to 2008-2010?

Considering if they win they will have managed to overcome some severe gerrymandering and win in republican districts I doubt it would be much more liberal.The way these people can win in those districts is running as a moderate and tying the opponent to the anchor that is Trump
 

Paskil

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Thread is moving too quickly to keep up with past pages, especially on days like today where I'm in meetings for seven hours of my day.

PoliGAF was a mistake. Mess!
 
Thread is moving too quickly to keep up with past pages, especially on days like today where I'm in meetings for seven hours of my day.

PoliGAF was a mistake. Mess!

Brah, you gotta live this half day work life I'm on right now.

Been working 10-2. It's heaven. Working for myself was the best thing I ever did.

Until next month when my hours have to be weird as fuck. :(
 
I definitely think this is true. I think the election has turned into "Well...Hillary...I guess." Because, at the end of the day, she's maybe not everyone's favorite but she's not fucking crazy! She's not going to destroy the country or the economy.

The beautiful thing, the amazing thing, is this gives us the chance to control the Supreme Court for a generation. I just...THANK YOU DONALD.

Are you sure you're thanking the right guy?

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blackw0lf

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In an odd way Hillary's low honesty ratings reassure me. If many voters already think she's dishonest but are voting for her anyway, then any future attacks on her honesty are less likely to do that much damage.
 

Zona

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Not unopposed, Johnson and Stein would be no there.

But if Zona has already passed, lol. If somehow the GOP fielded someone in time, they could win Pa, Oh, and Fla and still lose because of Zona.


Anyway, I think the Trump dropping out thing needs to be ignored going forward. It's too late to drop out. And let's be real, if he did, the result would be a landslide of epic proportions.

Every time you use this abbreviation I get confused for a moment.

In an odd way Hillary's low honesty ratings reassure me. If many voters already think she's dishonest but are voting for her anyway, then any future attacks on her honesty are less likely to do that much damage.

Competent criminal beats incompetent lunatic in a lot of peoples mind?
 

Cybit

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there is no way this election is 5-7 points. No doubt in my mind. This is the same craziness that thinks Trump will get 45. Which won't happen either

In the latest keeping it 1600; the head Obama pollster even commented that it won't get beyond 5-7 for a long long time.

If the Republicans are going to be a national party, they need to repudiate Trump and Trumpism sooner or later, and I do think it's important that we have two functioning political parties.

My concern would be if the Republicans take all the wrong lessons from Trump, do a Band-Aid solution to stop future Trumps, and go right back to using dog whistles as they were before.

Which is what I suspect will happen - Murphy's law and all

The number-one reason to believe the conspiracy theory is that it would allow him to save face as a non-loser and instantly become one of the most famous men in American history for decades, if not centuries. It is a story everyone would be telling their grandchildren, likely with approval: the time the wily New Yorker tricked the GOP into losing the House, Senate, Supreme Court, and presidency. The legend of the Golden Fox and the Dumb Turtle. He would be a hero to New Yorkers for the rest of his days. Shit, even if it isn't true, he has incentive to say it in his concession speech, if only to avoid forced permanent exile to Mar-a-Lago.

It's full conspiracy theory level crazy, don't get me wrong. It is just baffling to me how you couldn't script it better.

The problem with Trump being an actor is that the incendiary things he is doing and saying can't be taken back. He is causing significant damage and undermining the place of entire races, religions, and nationalities (not to mention other minority groups) in our country. His rhetoric is causing irreparable harm that has already happened through increased animosity, verbiage, and physical attacks and bullying towards these groups. If Trump is really in this as some game or as a joke candidate to undermine the Republican party, and Clinton or the Democrats knew this to be true but didn't speak out, I can't even describe how enraged I would be. I would also hope every other Hillary/Democrat supporter would denounce our party and candidate.

The things that are happening are not acceptable in a civilized society.

Knowing the Clintons, they are the ultimate "ends justify the means" party. The counter would simply claim that you were too busy being "privileged" to appreciate the good that would be accomplished from SCOTUS / congress, and that they did what was best for people right now.

Ryan can never make it through a national primary. Trump has probably already put Ryan on the list of "People Who Were Mean to Me and Didn't Endorse Me Hard Enough" and he'll be blasting those people for the rest of his life.

Trump's base isn't going to change. In every election going forward, they'll blame the unhelpful GOP for Trump's loss, and they'll punish anyone who didn't kiss the ring with tongue. If Ryan runs in 2020, then I hope he's ready to get ripped to shreds as a liberal sympathizer in front of a base that views compromise as the worst possible strategy no matter what.

If it wasn't Clinton as the opponent I'd agree. But do not underestimate how unifying of a force Clinton is for the GOP.

Remember how panicked GAF was over those 538 polls two weeks ago?

You mean when people couldn't be bothered to read the text underneath the polls? :p
 
This Daytona rally...not a single person of color can be found.

Edit: Wait, spotted a couple at top right

Edit 2: Black dude wearing making america great again trucker hat looks so wrong
 
Oh my god.

So, he said he met with 6 Gold Star Families. And he was on stage opening an envelope with a check they gave him. He still has to try and make it about him somehow!
 
My god this thread must have caught on with the rest of the OT or something. It has gone through 27 pages today alone. We gonna have new OTs every two weeks.
 
This article is incredible.

Trump is going to local offices and telling them to ignore HIS OWN CAMPAIGN.

It truly is.

Meanwhile, at a rally:
Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb 5m5 minutes ago
Trump asks if the media has an “inferiority complex." Then says, "I actually know the answer.

Trump so insults himself in every insult he lashes at others.
 
I'll just post the relevant part:

Amid a pileup of self-made political disruptions, mounting Republican defections and internal staff exasperation, Donald Trump is proving himself to be a candidate running a presidential race all by his lonesome.

With little regard for the GOP's future, he continues to antagonize its most prominent elected officials. With an uncontrollable proclivity for tumbling into a tangent on any given target – no matter the time, relevance or risk – he regularly relinquishes control of a media message. Having no capacity to absorb even the slightest political attack, he is constantly lured into petty fights that place him on the wrong side of public opinion. And with little reverence for seasoned political advice, he alienates even those who want to see him recover and succeed.

Trump is a party of one – a candidate embarking on his quixotic and increasingly improbable quest for the presidency without a compass or a map, without a front-line defense shield or significant reinforcements, and always and forever without any regrets.

Even the Lone Ranger rode a horse named Silver; Trump seems quite content to traipse ahead on his own two feet.

This week alone, Trump has escalated a feud with the Muslim parents of a U.S. soldier who died serving in Iraq, declined to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Sen. John McCain of Arizona in their respective primary bids, and even half-jokingly rebuked a mother and her crying baby at a rally. His actions, according to a Republican operative familiar with the campaign, have left some Trump aides privately "apoplectic" that a seemingly winnable contest against Hillary Clinton appears to be slipping irrevocably out of reach.

"The campaign's imploding; it's disintegrating," one Trump campaign staffer says. "Every time we do something positive, we cough up the ball."

But the candidate is similarly frustrated with senior levels of his operation, which some believe is causing him to rely heavily on his own gut instincts, raising the prospects of a high-wire controversy.

Trump was alarmed by a call he received last week from a senior adviser who is not campaign chairman Paul Manafort or Manafort assistant Rick Gates, according to an account provided to U.S. News. The caller lamented the campaign's lack of state-by-state organization and warned the nominee, "You're not going to win."

The candidate, not surprisingly, hit the roof. But the person who followed up with the adviser on the disturbing message wasn't Manafort or Gates, according to the source. It was Jared Kushner, the influential son-in-law who is married to Ivanka Trump and who is held in high regard by her father.



"Are the kids running the campaign? Anecdotally, from everything I've heard and seen, yes – at least in tandem with Paul and Rick," the staffer says.

When Trump landed in Ashburn, Virginia, on Tuesday – a state in which he has yet to open a campaign office – he huddled backstage with Will Estrada, chairman of the Loudoun County Republican Committee, for advice on how to carry the crucial area.

"George, these people here in Virginia know what we need to do to win Virginia," Trump told his advance aide, George Gigicos, according to Estrada's recollection posted on his personal Facebook page.

But Trump also unleashed another line that reverberated with those in the setting, U.S. News has learned: "Don't listen to New York."

The message conveyed was that going forward, Trump wanted local leadership to make the decisions on where to hold events and how to stage them – not the suits at high command in Trump Tower.

The Republican operative familiar with the Trump operation tells U.S. News that Trump has increasingly been back in regular contact with his former campaign manager turned CNN commentator, Corey Lewandowski.



Lewandowski was ousted in June at the behest of Trump's children, who viewed him as lacking the sophisticated judgment needed to assist their wayward father. A major difference between the reigns of Lewandowski and Manafort is that Lewandowski traveled constantly with Trump, earning his trust and bending his ear. Manafort rarely hits the road and has followed a more typical template by holing up in an office with a phone to his ear and his fingers on a keyboard.

The Manafort model has its advantages, but it also has created a distance from Trump that has stalled decisions and left the candidate without a reliable rudder when things go awry.

"He's not satisfied with what he's getting," the Trump staffer says. "So he's basically gone rogue."

Manafort has publicly denied any sort of internal unrest, chalking it up to a Clinton campaign narrative. And a Manafort ally says it's preposterous to lay the blame of the catastrophe of the last week at his friend's feet.

"Manafort's working his ass off. It's not an easy job. Trump's a handful," says the ally, an informal adviser to the campaign.

It is Trump, after all, who obsessively monitors his media coverage and then lashes out at his critics without reservation or calculation. It is Trump who directs which reporters are thrown out of the press pen or banned from venues entirely. It is Trump who picks fights with his own party out of ego and vengeance, rather than keeping himself trained on Clinton. And it is Trump who declines to give the obligatory tip of the hat to a fallen soldier before taking on his parents' political critiques.

"Empathy is not one of his best qualities," laments the informal adviser, who characterized Tru
mp's public spat with Khizr and Ghazala Khan as "not his finest hour, to say the least."

But the idea that there will be an intervention or some come-to-Jesus call – rumors of which circulated on Wednesday – is also scoffed at widely inside the Trump contingent.

"It doesn't work that way. You can give him advice and he can either take it or not take it. That's the way it works," the informal adviser says.

"Trump is Trump," observes John Noonan, a former national security aide to Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush who has sworn off voting for the GOP nominee this year. "You can pull somebody out of the insane asylum and staff him with the best people in the business, and he's still going to be in the parking lot screaming about the book of Revelations and there's nothing you can do about it. Hillary's the placekicker on the field. She's shanking every kick. And Trump's the guy pleasuring himself in the stands."
 
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