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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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Trump can't pivot because his trustworthy numbers are awful.
Like, I would probably believe him if Dubya came out and said he was switching to the Democratic Party. I didn't like most of his policies (probably could find a bridge he helped build that was good, I suppose), but I generally trust things that come from his mouth (his Cabinet doesn't get that trust). Maybe that's earned, maybe it's my own perception that's wrong.
But I would never buy it if Trump recanted on anything. He was too forceful in standing by this shit when he first said it. When the press was trying to give him every out they could think of during most of his gaffes, he just doubled (then tripled, quadrupled, etc...) down on it. The guy never backed down.
That's why this shit won't work for him. People generally don't think he's the type of person who changes their minds. He certainly gives that impression, and he actively campaigned on it.
Like, I would probably believe him if Dubya came out and said he was switching to the Democratic Party. I didn't like most of his policies (probably could find a bridge he helped build that was good, I suppose), but I generally trust things that come from his mouth (his Cabinet doesn't get that trust). Maybe that's earned, maybe it's my own perception that's wrong.
But I would never buy it if Trump recanted on anything. He was too forceful in standing by this shit when he first said it. When the press was trying to give him every out they could think of during most of his gaffes, he just doubled (then tripled, quadrupled, etc...) down on it. The guy never backed down.
That's why this shit won't work for him. People generally don't think he's the type of person who changes their minds. He certainly gives that impression, and he actively campaigned on it.
Well, she's already proven herself more capable than Lewandowski and Manafort...combined.
metalslimer
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Lol Conway just blamed this awful rally schedule Manafort essentially.
He really has done a lot of projection these last few weeks in particular.
It's time for Hillary and her team to respond, no need to cede any ground at all. Too dangerous.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump has abandoned his entire campaign because he's losing so badly, jesus christ, guys, this thread is not readable.
RustyNails
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Since we've been on Final Fantasy theme, when you cut down your boss' HP by 1/3rd, it will transform and start to lash out in crazier ways.
RustyNails
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Hillary +4 in that long ass ipsos poll.
Glenn is hard anti trump. Not that it matters.
Also Trump likes to cast Reflect on himself and attack his own weaknesses to damage you
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Except Trump is using physical attacks on himself and doesn't understand what's happening.
It happens every single time now.
Tranqueris
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Eh, maybe if she had more than 75 days. Personally I think she's in this kind of weird Ivanka Trump zone where Trump listens to her but she says weird shit that nobody in that campaign should be saying, like her comments about the Clinton foundation doing good things.
I guess we'll see if her skill as a surrogate (which is the only positive thing people tend to bring up when they describe her) and as a pollster translates to being an effective campaign manager.
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TheLaughingStock
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Donald should also use his leverage over voters to flip big on his tax plan and actually go out to underserved minority communities facing disparities in health care outcomes, wealth, income, and security. People who have a moral compass regardless of party affiliation shouldn't allow corrupt Democrats to shill and pursue selfish aspirations for themselves at the expense of poor minorities while they secure the votes from the affluent.
This is an issue the GOP establishment refuses to address because so much of the party is run by racists and bigots like many of their white Democrat counterparts who lead the Democratic party. He has to show how people like Pres. Clinton have used their platform as policymakers to go the extra mile and rig the system for rich whites while turning their back on minorities. He has to show how even people like Pres. Obama care far more about the welfare of rich white people like Jamie Dimon vs. say low-income in the DC metropolitan area.
NYCmetsfan
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Hi Bannon
Man. I know everyone here means well and we ALL don't want Trump to win, but sometimes reading this thread some of yall think the left should worry about everything.
It doesn't matter who's heading the campaign because the nominee is still Donald fucking Trump. He can't pivot in two months after he literally ran for President on the platform of all the disgusting shit he said about immigrants.
It doesn't matter who's heading the campaign because the nominee is still Donald fucking Trump. He can't pivot in two months after he literally ran for President on the platform of all the disgusting shit he said about immigrants.
Na, I meant the emails. Bill, Carville, Mook and the rest of the campaign have been doing a good job today on cable news of shutting down the Foundation crap.
Even Colbert yesterday said the emails and Foundation scandals "weren't really a thing".
This election is so ridiculous
First time I've diablos'd since Bernie!
RustyNails
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I firmly believe Optics is a HUGE part of politics. American politics at least. You need to be able to understand how your words, actions, and even silly shit like "body language" and gestures. It's an annoying thing, sure. I wish candidates were solely judged on substance. Unfortunately we dont and if you fail to understand how huge role media plays in our political system, then you're DOA. Hillary's policies are better than Obama's, and achievable even in our polarized environment. I think she'll make a really great president. But the path to get there is hard fought, mudslinging, dishonorable, backstabbing affair.
By the way, optics is not a new word. We were throwing it around in 2008/2012 too.
PoliGAF 2016 |OT10| PollOptics
Especially when he won't and can't walk balk those earlier statements.
RustyNails
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Hillary on Cooper
It does actually matter who is leading the campaign. Especially when trump doesn't go on CNN or MSNBC. She's the face of the campaign right now on some news channels.
Yea, and she's quoting Maya Angelou! <3
ItWasMeantToBe19
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France's center-right presidential candidate summarized: "We will punish the Jews and Muslims, they will suffer."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-election?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews
France feels like it's handled it's string of terror attacks nearly as bad as the U.S. handed 9/11 except that the US invaded a random country that had nothing to do 9/11 also.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-election?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews
France feels like it's handled it's string of terror attacks nearly as bad as the U.S. handed 9/11 except that the US invaded a random country that had nothing to do 9/11 also.
NYCmetsfan
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Hillary on CNN
That's center-right talk?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I wanted to emphasize that these are viewed as serious politicians and political parties that are arguing for the mass punishment of Muslims, not just Le Pen and her goons.
I mean, I trust their writing staff regardless, but I think Trump's "bigot" messaging will probably make them fine tune their "Trump is in bed with the Alt-Right" speech. You don't want to feed into his manipulation to just making this "Both candidates call each other the 'real' racist". She needs to seem simultaneously above his classless remarks but also firmly establish that he's in bed with dangerous people.
TheLostBigBoss
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Clinton going in
Tomorrow gonna be gud
she seems mad
Tomorrow gonna be gud
she seems mad
Trump's attacking charity work, I'd be pissed too.
She's going to be straight fire.
User 463088
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Some of y'all need alcohol or weed or something.
I'll mix cocktails for anyone who needs one.
I'll mix cocktails for anyone who needs one.
At the same time, it would be nice if every critical thing said about Hillary Clinton or the decisions of her campaign in this thread weren't met with "OMG STOP DIABOLOSING11!!!!11 IT'S DONALD TRUMP!" as though nobody fucking knows that. I find that just as unreadable, especially when nearly a dozen posts of this nature can be triggered by one comment.
I mean, it's this type of "Hillary can do no wrong so shut up" mindset that gets railed on all the time in OT. Ironically, in here is where it actually happens.
I'm probably one of the bigger Hillary stans on this board (Adam is queen, of course). I have absolutely no doubt that she's going to win in November. That being said, I do think she's running an increasingly sloppy campaign because of who she's running against, and I do think if she doesn't respond soon and in a way that connects with the public it can affect the lead she has on Trump, and ultimately how many Senate and House seats we'll recapture, which is ultimately my concern at this point. I don't think that's diablosing.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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If this was Bernie Sanders vs. Jeb Bush and Bernie was down by 6-8 points and then Bernie started saying "you know, I support cutting disability benefits" would Republicans freak out in response?
RustyNails
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omg finally an email answer omg
Dubbedinenglish
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Oh she gonna go HAM like that 1st FP speech.
metalslimer
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Clinton just gave a much better answer on the emails
Basically said every time she's tried to explain it sounds like she is making excuses. She makes no excuses and it was her decision alone and takes responsibility
Basically said every time she's tried to explain it sounds like she is making excuses. She makes no excuses and it was her decision alone and takes responsibility
NYCmetsfan
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yup that was good
It was! Finally!!
And good, Hillary reminding people what Trump has said about us immigrants.
NYCmetsfan
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Adam, if you ever come to NYC we're doing a NYC poligaf meetup and I'll show you how to properly drink
don't doubt me
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