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[User 463088]

Not sure if national or not but I just got a Hillary ad in Georgia watching the olympics.

Were you on NBC or a cable channel?

 

[hawk2025]

My mom made me go to work. I had gotten my first job. She made me work with a broken foot.

I went to classes during undergrad for a week with a broken foot.

That's how you make it to 30 before you even hold a real job, don't you know!

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

Not sure if national or not but I just got a Hillary ad in Georgia watching the olympics.

Pretty sure that's national.

They are running 3 ads:

- The children one, where Trump talks out of his ass
- Bring jobs to America, the most since WWII
- Trump building things in Bangladesh and China

I got all 3, either on the app, streaming online, or on NBC.

 

[User 463088]

I went to classes during undergrad for a week with a broken foot.

That's how you make it to 30 before you even hold a real job, don't you know!

It was even more annoying in that she made me go to Payless and buy a pair of shoes 3 sizes bigger than normal to get my swollen, broken foot in them. She felt bad later, though. I milked that for a good...seven, eight years.

 

[DrForester]

I wish I hadn't read this...

It's almost worth watching just because the vaulter looks at it, and just does a facepalm like it's a minor inconvenience.

He's not screaming his head off, like I would be.

 

[hawk2025]

It was even more annoying in that she made me go to Payless and buy a pair of shoes 3 sizes bigger than normal to get my swollen, broken foot in them. She felt bad later, though. I milked that for a good...seven, eight years.

Just...

Keep writing these stories down somewhere. Trust me.

 

[CygnusXS]

I think that if CNN finds that they can't sell the "dead heat" narrative, they might switch to "how low can Trump go?" featuring Corey Lewandowski as their big seller.

 

[Valhelm]

And again, I'm not talking about what the far left sees or believes. I'm talking about what they will be willing to do in order to accomplish what they see/believe, and when you're so far on the extreme left, that inevitably ends up being paradoxical.

Extreme zealotry on either side of the political spectrum will always lead to authoritarianism if given enough power






http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory


And you cannot just dismiss examples of far left authoritarian governments just because the US hasn't become one yet. Just like you say that there's no reason to assume that the far left would become like those countries, I would posit that there's no reason to assume that they wouldn't, based on all existing evidence. I'm not making assumptions either way. I said the far left has the POTENTIAL to go in this direction, I never said that I assumed that they would.

The "horseshoe theory" doesn't exist. Far-right authoritarian states look like far-left authoritarian states because they're both authoritarian. The totalitarian nature of the Soviet Union has less to do with its economic system than the imperial framework it emerged out of. Capitalist-feudalist Russia before 1917 was not any more democratic than the USSR.

There's no authoritarian left movement in the US. There's no reason to believe that a socialist America would adopt imperial trappings of the Russian tradition, instead of coming out of the existing American model which emphasizes liberty and transparency.

The "socialism leads to genocide" link you're imagining is unfounded. There's no reason to believe this would happen to America, and you've provided no evidence as to why it would.

 

[DrForester]

I think that if CNN finds that they can't sell the "dead heat" narrative, they might switch to "how low can Trump go?" featuring Corey Lewandowski as their big seller.

My hope is that rather than try to sell a "close race" narrative, the media will jump to looking at the chances of the Senate and House flipping.

 

[kirblar]

There's no authoritarian left movement in the US. There's no reason to believe that a socialist America would adopt imperial trappings of the Russian tradition, instead of coming out of the existing American model which emphasizes liberty and transparency.

Other than the entire history of (actual, not social democratic) socialist movements needing to resort to force to keep themselves in power. Any movement that can't stay in power by winning majorities in elections but believes it should do so anyway will by necessity result to authoritarianism to maintain itself. Left-wing movements are no different than right-wing ones in this regard.

Corbyn ignoring a no-confidence vote's a small-potatoes version of this pattern.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Paul Ryan doesn't like the Alt-Right movement in the party

I'm having a really hard time seeing a scenario in the next three cycles where they don't get "trumped" again. If there's another overt white nationalist in their huge primary field, that person is going to get 40% of the Republican primary vote, just like Trump did. There is no good way to fix this any time soon.

The bigots aren't going to settle for winks and nods any more, not after Trump gave them the red meat they've been wanting for so long.

 

[Trouble]

I'm still salty she didn't get a perfect score for that vault.

 

[hawk2025]

The "horseshoe theory" doesn't exist. Far-right authoritarian states look like far-left authoritarian states because they're both authoritarian. The totalitarian nature of the Soviet Union has less to do with its economic system than the imperial framework it emerged out of. Capitalist-feudalist Russia before 1917 was not any more democratic than the USSR.

There's no authoritarian left movement in the US. There's no reason to believe that a socialist America would adopt imperial trappings of the Russian tradition, instead of coming out of the existing American model which emphasizes liberty and transparency.

The "socialism leads to genocide" link you're imagining is unfounded. There's no reason to believe this would happen to America, and you've provided no evidence as to why it would.

I've yet to hear a convincing treatise on why socialism -- true socialism -- overcomes basic incentives of individual actors.

Without that crucial part, I'd argue it's more reasonable to expect some form of authoritarian ruling rather than not to make it work.

By the way, I don't buy at all that the totalitarian nature of the Soviet Union has more to do with the imperial framework that it came from. How do you figure?

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm still salty she didn't get a perfect score for that vault.

Was probably the arm movement, still bullshit since that was perfect.

 

[Y2Kev]

I'm still salty she didn't get a perfect score for that vault.

Seriously. It has no flaws.

 

[kirblar]

I'm having a really hard time seeing a scenario in the next three cycles where they don't get "trumped" again. If there's another overt white nationalist in their huge primary field, that person is going to get 40% of the Republican primary vote, just like Trump did. There is no good way to fix this any time soon.

The bigots aren't going to settle for winks and nods any more, not after Trump gave them the red meat they've been wanting for so long.

There are two options here: they moderate, or they splinter.

GOP moderates are going to punish the party in the election. The question is whether the current framework is salvageable, or if it'll end up like something more similar to the current state of Labour in the UK, a shambling corpse taken over by the outer edge.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Since when did you three become professional judges?

 

[B-Dubs]

Since when did you three become professional judges?

Everyone's a professional judge when the Olympics come around, we get the certificates in the mail. Did you not get yours?

 

[plagiarize]

I want some Olympians to criticise Trump. It would be beautiful.

 

[Crayons]

He is legally obligated to tell you if you ask him.

Spoiler

jk, He actually isn't obligated.

I know lol. I'm dumb but I'm not that stupid!

 

[kirblar]

Since when did you three become professional judges?

This is nothing compared to the NBA finals.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Everyone's a professional judge when the Olympics come around, we get the certificates in the mail. Did you not get yours?

I got my neogaf mod application approval in the mail but you don't see me banning people.

 

[Crayons]

WTF?! How is that even possible? Are your bones made of glass?!

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night I wake up in agony, until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

 

[benjipwns]

Everyone's a professional judge when the Olympics come around, we get the certificates in the mail. Did you not get yours?

Do they come with bribes from the Russians?

Other than the entire history of (actual, not social democratic) socialist movements

That's why Bernie failed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgTJ3Er9c

 

[B-Dubs]

Do they come with bribes from the Russians?

If you can call it a bribe! They really cheaped out this year.

 

[hawk2025]

Do they come with bribes from the Russians?


That's why Bernie failed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgTJ3Er9c

Holy shit, I was not prepared for that dude showing up near the end.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night I wake up in agony, until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

Serious or


Spongebob?

 

[Crayons]

Serious or


Spongebob?

Spongebob

 

[benjipwns]

Holy shit, I was not prepared for that dude showing up near the end.

Be sure to pick up his new book: Explaining Modern Economics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYBeO0dx2Y

 

[BlastProcessing]

Paul Ryan doesn't like the Alt-Right movement in the party

DIsturbed by the Alt-Right movement, but not disturbed enough to change any of his actions... What a gutless wonder.

 

[Y2Kev]

I want some Olympians to criticise Trump. It would be beautiful.

The muslin fencer did. I am hoping she keeps going after him until he snaps.

 

[Retro]

The muslin fencer did. I am hoping she keeps going after him until he snaps.

He'll make her build the fence wall!

 

[JesseEwiak]

I think Rubio's Zika comments should remind people that while Clinton-Rubio would be close and the MSM would be helping Rubio daily, ala Dubya in 2000, he'd continue to say dumb far right things because he's a far right Senator who has a moderate 'story' to sell to people.

 

[B-Dubs]

I think Rubio's Zika comments should remind people that while Clinton-Rubio would be close and the MSM would be helping Rubio daily, ala Dubya in 2000, he'd continue to say dumb far right things because he's a far right Senator who has a moderate 'story' to sell to people.

He'd have done well until the debates, I think. I imagine he would have been exposed the same way there he was when Christie killed him.

 

[kirblar]

I think Rubio's Zika comments should remind people that while Clinton-Rubio would be close and the MSM would be helping Rubio daily, ala Dubya in 2000, he'd continue to say dumb far right things because he's a far right Senator who has a moderate 'story' to sell to people.

The narrative that Trump defeated a field of "strong contenders" is hilarious revisionist history.

 

[benjipwns]

The narrative that Trump defeated a field of "strong contenders" is hilarious revisionist history.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I think Rubio's Zika comments should remind people that while Clinton-Rubio would be close and the MSM would be helping Rubio daily, ala Dubya in 2000, he'd continue to say dumb far right things because he's a far right Senator who has a moderate 'story' to sell to people.

I think Rubio's Zika comments are strategic. Trump's main weakness is with suburban women; one of the things that has traditionally kept them in the GOP coalition is abortion. Making your election a referendum on abortion is better than having your election be a referendum on Trump.

 

[Crayons]

tbh if Jeb! walked up to me and gave me weed, I'd vote for him no questions asked

 

[User 463088]

tbh if Jeb! walked up to me and gave me weed, I'd vote for him no questions asked

You'd sell your soul for a bag of weed? A bag of weed?

 

[thestopsign]

It's almost worth watching just because the vaulter looks at it, and just does a facepalm like it's a minor inconvenience.

He's not screaming his head off, like I would be.

I broke my arm in a similar way playing soccer in high school. I got up and was immediately showing it to all my teammates because we all thought it looked awesome. I never felt a bit of pain it just felt weird and I didn't try to move it. My mom drove me to the hospital and the most painful moment of the whole time I had a horribly broken arm was a new nurse missing my IV into my other arm twice. Adrenaline or whatever your body produces in those situations is a pretty amazing thing.

 

[benjipwns]

tbh if Jeb! walked up to me and gave me weed, I'd vote for him no questions asked

There better not be any questions asked.

 

[Crayons]

You'd sell your soul for a bag of weed? A bag of weed?

i am sad all the time

 

[brainchild]

What is the coach even doing there? lol



You're thinking of Paul George, but I don't think his bone was exposed. Maybe you're thinking of NCAA player Kevin Ware?

For fun, you can check out Anderson Silva's leg injury on his fight against Chris Weidman as well.

I can't remember who, but I remember him falling onto the edge of the court and a piece of bone was visible for about half a second. I couldn't erase that image from my mind if I wanted to.

In my defense, it was weak because I had been in a walking boot for a month or two because I had a severe sprain. They had just paved our road, and I was walking our dog. It was uneven, and I stepped off the side of the road and my foot bent in half. There was no break, but the muscles and stuff were weak and ya....I just stepped wrong, I guess, and it snapped in the middle of the living room. I have a pin in it now. It's cool.

My mom made me go to work. I had gotten my first job. She made me work with a broken foot.

Speaking of my mom, I thought you all would like this.

She was talking to her cousin today about Trump:

Mom: There's no way anyone should vote for him. He's homoerotic.
: whatever our cousin said :
Mom: Yes. Homoerotic. You should read the Republican platform. It's the most disgusting homoerotic thing I've ever read.

I think she means homophobic. I hope she means homophobic. Please. Because Trump and homoeroticism do not belong together!

Ahahaha

It's almost worth watching just because the vaulter looks at it, and just does a facepalm like it's a minor inconvenience.

He's not screaming his head off, like I would be.

I don't think I could stomach it, no way. I'm way too queasy with stuff like this.

The "horseshoe theory" doesn't exist. Far-right authoritarian states look like far-left authoritarian states because they're both authoritarian. The totalitarian nature of the Soviet Union has less to do with its economic system than the imperial framework it emerged out of. Capitalist-feudalist Russia before 1917 was not any more democratic than the USSR.

There's no authoritarian left movement in the US. There's no reason to believe that a socialist America would adopt imperial trappings of the Russian tradition, instead of coming out of the existing American model which emphasizes liberty and transparency.

The "socialism leads to genocide" link you're imagining is unfounded. There's no reason to believe this would happen to America, and you've provided no evidence as to why it would.

I don't think you understand anything that I've been saying. First of all, there are plenty of movements on the 'far left' that are prone to authoritarianism if they intend to govern the country with fringe support for their ideologies. Obviously, their current common goals seem to be to get more of the population to adopt their ideologies, but going that route ensures that they will likely never come to power democratically. My theories are purely based on a hypothetical situation where groups like Marxists, Anarchists, actual Communists, and actual Socialists rise to power without mainstream support. Compromise is not an option for them. The only way for them to realize their ideologies is through authoritarianism.

Essentially, we're arguing two different things. You're arguing about the current goals of a political group that has no intention on governing the country without mainstream support. In this scenario, they will likely never become a governing force in the first place (because they have consistently had fringe support through the democratic process). I'm arguing that supposing they were given the opportunity to control the government without mainstream support, their methodology for keeping that power would be authoritarian. It's a hypothetical (though logically sound) conclusion and it always has been.

Other than the entire history of (actual, not social democratic) socialist movements needing to resort to force to keep themselves in power. Any movement that can't stay in power by winning majorities in elections but believes it should do so anyway will by necessity result to authoritarianism to maintain itself. Left-wing movements are no different than right-wing ones in this regard.

Corbyn ignoring a no-confidence vote's a small-potatoes version of this pattern.

Exactly this.

 

[User 463088]

i am sad all the time

Hugs?
Hugs.

 

[ampere]

There better not be any questions asked.

I still have trouble believing this is real, even though I saw it on twitter when it happened. So tone deaf and stupid

 

[Crayons]

Hugs?
Hugs.

 

[CygnusXS]

My hope is that rather than try to sell a "close race" narrative, the media will jump to looking at the chances of the Senate and House flipping.

That'd be nice, but I don't see it being a ratings driver. Maybe some print media will?

 

[whyamihere]

I think Rubio's Zika comments are strategic. Trump's main weakness is with suburban women; one of the things that has traditionally kept them in the GOP coalition is abortion. Making your election a referendum on abortion is better than having your election be a referendum on Trump.

I don't think there are many suburban women in Florida who believe that women with Zika shouldn't have the choice to terminate their pregnancy. In fact, this strikes me as something suburban women would hate.

 

[JesseEwiak]

The narrative that Trump defeated a field of "strong contenders" is hilarious revisionist history.

The GOP field looked strong because people hadn't fully realized how the midterm electorate had changed. Had any of the candidates this year for the GOP ever faced a Presidential electorate in a state wide election?

 

[brainchild]

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night I wake up in agony, until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

One of my favorite Spongebob moments!