ItWasMeantToBe19
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What legislation? Obamacare repeal and corporate tax cuts are pretty dead right now.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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What legislation? Obamacare repeal and corporate tax cuts are pretty dead right now.
It's a lose-lose proposition for them. They'll get primaried if they try. They're better off betting on the stupidity of the American people and going down with the ship.
Counter-coup tbh
Edit: I'm basically seeing you on a typewriter message board during Watergat saying "this is going to set a dangerous precedent, can't we just defeat Nixon at the ballot box?" Sometimes things are actually not precedents because they're insane outliers and everybody understands that
Kid Kamikaze10
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You keep talking a diplomatic playbook when dealing with a clear authoritarian. Like the 2018 elections won't get meddled with.
I'm just saying, I really don't like the odds of this strategy working out. Especially for the most vulnerable nationally and internationally (see Palestine)
Has anyone posted the new Morning Consult poll yet? In Warren v. Trump, Trump wins, but a generic Democrat would beat Trump.
https://morningconsult.com/2017/02/15/poll-warren-wouldnt-beat-trump-2020-another-democrat/
https://morningconsult.com/2017/02/15/poll-warren-wouldnt-beat-trump-2020-another-democrat/
whyamihere
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Whoaaa
Bonen no Max'd
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pigeon I'm glad you're back
this is silly because there is no generic Democrat, I don't think Warren is a good nominee though.
Officerrob
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Any 2020 poll isn't even worth discussing
Poodlestrike
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Ehhh
I think we have to assume at this point that most undecideds are actually embarrassed Trump voters, Tbh. Or people looking for cover that would let them swing his way. No way anybody is actually unsure at this point.
Huge if true.
I'd love it if they don't withdraw and he gets voted down. Anything that makes Trump look weak is just aces.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Puzder is lazy and doesn't want the job
Puzder is a wife beater
Puzder hates the poor
Puzder thinks undocumented immigrants are human beings.
Let's pick which one Republicans care about.
Oh shit.
Outdoor Miner
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As worthless a poll as there ever was.
Was about to post this. I'll take any scalp we can get.
Lord_Byron28
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I hope no one seriously thinks Warren should run for presidency. The reasons Hillary lost will likely be even worse with Warren. Warren will get swift boated too easily.
Ugh. Why is Warren so low?
ErasureAcer
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Misogyny?
Bam Bam Baklava
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Because her supporters live in bubbles and don't realize how unappealing she is.
nature boy
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Clinton 2.0 to the right nutjobs
Bonen no Max'd
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Northeastern college professor isn't exactly the most relatable, plus misogyny is obviously a huge part.
balladofwindfishes
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She's not really popular.
whyamihere
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Are we really talking about a 2020 poll.
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, at this point, I don't want to discourage anyone from running even a little. People (general election demands voters) seem to still be crazy sensitive to the idea of playing favorites or altering the playing field, to the point where I suspect that even a weak candidate who won the primary cleanly will do better than a strong candidate who has even the appearance of favoritism looming over them. Young people are dumb like that nowadays, apparently.
The total refusal of liberal voters (and non voters, more importantly) to look inward and self examine about stuff like that even a little after this last election is crazy depressing, tbh.
The total refusal of liberal voters (and non voters, more importantly) to look inward and self examine about stuff like that even a little after this last election is crazy depressing, tbh.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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https://twitter.com/jasonnobleDMR/status/831925845627457545
The GOP's stance on America in the past is that we were always a terrible country and therefore Russia is okay.
This stance of "make America great again!" and "America has always been bad" is kind of awkward...
I know "MAGA" means "allow white people to use racial slurs again" but they're getting close to giving the game away.
Probably her voice sounds too shrill and then misogyny takes cares of the rest.
The GOP's stance on America in the past is that we were always a terrible country and therefore Russia is okay.
This stance of "make America great again!" and "America has always been bad" is kind of awkward...
I know "MAGA" means "allow white people to use racial slurs again" but they're getting close to giving the game away.
Probably her voice sounds too shrill and then misogyny takes cares of the rest.
nature boy
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No we're talking about Warren being a viable presidential candidate.
whyamihere
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No it looks like we're talking about a 2020 poll
I, for one, am getting sick and tired of people saying Gerald Ford was not a legitimate president.
Independents are so fickle...
whyamihere
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...63470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.81a90d4d16ed
WaPo reporting that Portman and Thune are two other GOP Senators wavering on Puzder. They aren't on HELP.
WaPo reporting that Portman and Thune are two other GOP Senators wavering on Puzder. They aren't on HELP.
Randolph Freelander
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I just heard the audio on a NPR newsbreak. It's just... guh. Why is this dude even.
https://t.co/sWD8Eaa0Ti 45 second mark.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Many of us have said this from the beginning--she's more unrelateable than Hillary was. As others have stated, misogyny does the rest.
lol, possibly, but 20 years ago, the idea of refusing to seat a SC justice due to polarization would have been an extreme outlier, and now I suspect everyone here would be completely ok with a Dem Senate refusing to sit Gorsuch for 4 years. We have a whole host of "outlier to normal" political maneuvers in the last 20 years, and every time, at the time it was considered an outlier, until it stopped becoming one.
On top of it, it's been less than a month and you're already seeing strong institutional pushback from the US political system. Almost all of those EOs have been stopped by the courts, Flynn got forced out, Obamacare's "repeal" is stalling hard in the face of grassroots opposition, and the GOP Senate is calling for an investigation into the Russia ties. Y'all are freaking out about the system being powerless while simultaneously posting about how the system is stopping Trump. If Nixon hadn't happened, I'd be far more worried - but considering we have had a smart and competent version of Trump try to do worse to the US, we're surprisingly robust at this whole "the system pushes back against authoritarians" thing.
Plus, succession written into the constitution, in a relatively recent amendment. If this was a gray area without absolutely crystal clear rules, that'd be one thing. But the rules of succession are absolutely clear cut, and we're trying to deliberately muddy them up because we don't like the results. There's zero evidence that Ryan has had anything to do with the Russians or anything like that, but because we don't want someone in the GOP in charge, we're willing to cause an actual constitutional crisis over it.
The GOP can't get shit done when they have 2/3 branches of government completely under their control, and have a tie for the third. They couldn't even meddle with this election outside of posting shit on the internet and people being dumb. Yet somehow they're going to be sophisticated and coordinated enough to engineer an authoritarian coup of the entire country when they can't even fucking fix the popular vote appropriately (and they had a candidate who was obsessed with it, making it a priority). On top of it, due to the fractured local nature of the voting systems in this country, it is nearly impossible to mass scale manipulate voting outside of maybe a single city. Everything is too low tech.
Regarding Warren 2020 - lets wait till like at least early 2019 before we slightly worry about nominees
Puzder - the Oprah tapes will sink him. It's pretty gruesome stuff. As Ray Rice and Joe Mixon can attest to, DV gets ignored until the tapes show up, at which point it is all over.
The difference between the two: self-awareness. Warren knew not to run.
nature boy
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We're talking about how a prominent Democratic politician performs bad against the worst president in modern history the week after she was silenced in the Senate (that's the context of their question).
The 2020 part is just a hypothetical.
whyamihere
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Right--and I don't think she's gearing up to run in 2020, either. She's incredibly intelligent and knows the situation in the country.
So, I looked up the Sanford Paul plan (from CNN), which freedom caucus will use to say they now have a "replace"
So, unless I am misunderstanding, this is essentially a full repeal to the old way with a few minor tweaks. It brings back a lot of really shitty plans, If you lose coverage your preexisting conditions issues kick back in and you can't use your FSA for abortions. And they think buying over state lines and some sort of group buying is going to be a panacea to drive down healthcare costs.
So, unless I am misunderstanding, this is essentially a full repeal to the old way with a few minor tweaks. It brings back a lot of really shitty plans, If you lose coverage your preexisting conditions issues kick back in and you can't use your FSA for abortions. And they think buying over state lines and some sort of group buying is going to be a panacea to drive down healthcare costs.
whyamihere
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This is hot fire.
Yup -- and the same problem where you can be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition if there's a lapse in your coverage, which is insane.
Yup -- and the same problem where you can be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition if there's a lapse in your coverage, which is insane.
Coriolanus
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To tackle the problem through peaceful means will necessarily involve giving the problem's ideas some degree of coverage. Even if only to mock them. Given that delusions about what constitutes an "alpha" male seem to be somewhat common amongst his followers, yeah, a live dressing down from which one can't recover on air could be effective. (if one ignores tribalism and whatnot)
Could always try to ditch the "peaceful" bit tho, provided that there's reasonable expectation that there wont be significant backfiring.
Kid Kamikaze10
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I don't think they have to be sophisticated or coordinated to do it at all. Just forceful, filled with resources, and lucky.
It's not like incompetent political parties haven't been able to make large scale impact with a vast amount of resources before. I mean, we had a world war because of a few.
whyamihere
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Poor baby. Also, uh, phrasing.
AntraxSuicide
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Times like these are why I love my mom. She's a hardcore evangelical voter, so she'll never be a Democrat, but she walks the walk at least instead of most evangelicals. Here was a status update on her facebook today:
"US Intelligence is trying to open Trump's eyes to the extent of Russian influence in his administration. Trump is choosing to ignore what they're telling him, and refuses to acknowledge and fix the problem. Too many more crazy tweets and you'll see whole transcripts leaked and printed on the NYT front page. If you are more mad about the leaks against dear trump than the actual information wave we are about to get, you are sick in the head. The US intelligence community is SUPPOSED to warn the pres. and the people about foreign threats, whether the president likes it or not. Enjoy your cult. PERIOD." -My mom
ugaboga232
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Loophole: Bill Gates funds a non profit organization to create a pool for 60% of america creating de facto universal healthcare.
As a medical student though, these are all atrocious horrific changes to make that will result in increased expenditure, more medical bankruptcy, and far far more deaths (also mental health issues galore!)
Officerrob
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I'm sure the "abuse" would be much more tolerable if he had a couple more Republican votes
Oh so now you want to suggest misogyny
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