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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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The GOP are slowly backing themselves into a corner. Too cowardly to investigate Trump, making them hypocrites in the process. Too cowardly to push for Repeal and Replace. Those are the two big news stories now, and for the foreseeable future, and they're just sat there.
If they don't move soon, the Dems can just batter them on being the party of do-nothing. They don't need to qualify it in any way, either - the GOP is the party of do-nothing, and it'll stick to them no matter what.
If they don't move soon, the Dems can just batter them on being the party of do-nothing. They don't need to qualify it in any way, either - the GOP is the party of do-nothing, and it'll stick to them no matter what.
China awards Trump valuable new trademark
In other depressing news, Texas going for a second try: Texas anti-abortion efforts renew after Supreme Court defeat
China giving our lawyers more ammo?
In other depressing news, Texas going for a second try: Texas anti-abortion efforts renew after Supreme Court defeat
They don't even bother hiding their intentions anymore, I guess Trump's election has certainly emboldened those who think women are just hosts.
I thought he might start sucking up to the IC and the leaks might stop but.... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Trump thinks Russia has investigative journalists that expose Putin's crimes and live?
Shortt Sirket
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I know you posted this a bit ago but thanks, that article is awesome.
Carpe Libertatem
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Because people on the left are just as dumb as people on the right. I just hope they don't lose us as many seats as the Tea Party lost the GOP
HA Good Man still finding ways write about Hillary LOL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...t-ready-for-eight_us_58a19e05e4b0cd37efcfeabb
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...t-ready-for-eight_us_58a19e05e4b0cd37efcfeabb
So McCain is going to vote no on Mulvaney? Assuming Graham goes the same way, could be another 50-50 split. Have any Democrats expressed support for him?
So, question time.
Seems like Trump-Russia story is picking up more heat. The dossier story is back, Flynn is out for Russia stuff, NYT story about Trump team contacts (in line with the dossier)
If Trump falls for this, why would it make sense that Pence becomes president? Why would it be a simple succession?
It shouldn't be, yes? Because the very fabric of American democracy was affected, wouldn't it make more sense to conduct an emergency election soon after?
Seems like Trump-Russia story is picking up more heat. The dossier story is back, Flynn is out for Russia stuff, NYT story about Trump team contacts (in line with the dossier)
If Trump falls for this, why would it make sense that Pence becomes president? Why would it be a simple succession?
It shouldn't be, yes? Because the very fabric of American democracy was affected, wouldn't it make more sense to conduct an emergency election soon after?
We've never had to cross that bridge before, but it would make the most sense to me
Carpe Libertatem
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There's no provision in American law to do that. If Pence is also implicated, Ryan will be president.
Joe Shlabotnik
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There's no real apparatus for that (that doesn't involve the President, anyway.) An impeachment would doubtlessly follow the line of succession up until the next general election no matter what.
Poodlestrike
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There is literally no mechanism in our constitution for an emergency presidential election. Only the line of succession.
Even if Pence isn't implicated, his path to the White House was a tainted one. It wouldnt make sense to give him a free raise up to the Presidency.
Its kinda crazy that we even have to think about this now. Crazy times ahead.
RastaMentality
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/831888833012703237?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
Repeating Trump's campaign promises?
Carpe Libertatem
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It might not make sense from a moral or ethical standpoint, but it makes sense from a legal one.
Dubbedinenglish
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Putin told Eady D he's taking too long.
RastaMentality
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It'd also be harder since Russia didn't directly influence the election by hacking voting booths. they just had a pawn run for office with incredible amounts of misinformation instead.
But it's not about avoiding implication, it's that Pence benefited from Russian influence. Think of it as a political version of the "Fruit from the poisonous tree" doctrine, essentially.
And bear in mind that US/UK/UN and a whole host of other countries routinely call for "new and impartial elections" when something like this occurs in a Third World country.
I can totally understand the argument there's nothing in US law/constitution to allow for it. But at the same time, unless there's something that expressly forbids it, then surely it would be a decision to be made, not a foregone conclusion?
nature boy
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I honestly hope the European countries tell Mattis to fuck off, WTF at that ultimatum.
Trump has such a hardon for generals
Officerrob
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Time to update the thread title
Joe Shlabotnik
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By the time the mechanism for it were agreed upon, it would be general election season anyway.
It's not practical, at all. Let's say Trump were removed from office in short order--like, this year. And there's no clear incrimination of Pence. With whose Congress are you going to design a special election? This one? Nope.
If it happens during 2018 and then Democrats get control of one or both Houses, they'll just start impeachment proceedings on Pence if they feel it's necessary.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Why is Trump surprised when people, after what happened to Flynn, need some days to think over whether or not they want to work for him.
Infinite Stars
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What the fuck Trump, you weren't the president for 20 days in January, you can't claim that is from you.
Mattis is right about NATO. If European states were more responsible for their own defense, the American taxpayer would bear a lighter burden and the global structure of power would be more equitable. Stronger European militaries could also check Russian aggression and reduce the necessity for US intervention.
But I don't think Mattis is arguing for this in good faith. He's just serving as a mouthpiece for Donald Trump's apathetic anti-imperialism.
But I don't think Mattis is arguing for this in good faith. He's just serving as a mouthpiece for Donald Trump's apathetic anti-imperialism.
AntraxSuicide
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I'm sure we'd see some talk, but I think most people would settle for "Pence is in charge and the IC/LEO agencies will probably have increased access over the entire administration until we get to the next election." I'm sure Pence is similarly compromised as Trump, but if Trump were to be taken down for treason (or similar charges), then there's no way his successor would be able to do similar acts. He'd be monitored for the rest of the term like an infant.
Personally, I don't see any good reason why European countries should not be upholding their agreed-upon NATO contributions. I know these are running goals, and that France isn't due to contribute 2 percent of its GDP by tomorrow, but I also don't understand why it's okay for them to not meet those goals anyway. And frankly, if the US is an unreliable ally to the preservation of the EU, it's in their best interests to be ramping up their own national security contributions.
That said, I don't think this should be used as a bargaining chip where the US will flat out refuse to help NATO allies that don't pay up if they're attacked.
Getting rid of KT McFarland too, then.
That said, I don't think this should be used as a bargaining chip where the US will flat out refuse to help NATO allies that don't pay up if they're attacked.
Getting rid of KT McFarland too, then.
Coriolanus
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No evidence of that whatsoever. Especially not in a world where congress refuses to reduce military spending even when the military flat out tells them they don't need the shit that they buying.
AntraxSuicide
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I agree that he's not doing this in good faith, but honestly. our military is one of the only ones that can check Russia's. Most European militaries would lose a traditional war with the NYPD, let alone the Russian military. We could certainly argue for more from places like Germany and others of that size, but I really think the numbers just add up to the US having to put in more than a fair share.
Think of it like taxing the rich more to cover poor people, except with bullets instead of money. We can contribute a ton where a lot of these places can't, so we should.
I'm interested (and a bit scared?) to see what happens in the region when Russia's banana republic collapses in a few decades (max).
This would need to happen:
- Trump impeached/convicted or resigns
- Pence agrees for some reason to choose his new VP by results of a national vote, and to resign afterwards. Senate agrees to approve that person. VP office remains vacant until then.
OR
- Trump impeached/convicted or resigns
- Senate agrees to not confirm a new VP
- House agrees to appoint a new Speaker of the House (who constitutionally doesn't have to be a member of the House) based on the results of a national vote. After this Pence resigns/is impeached, and the Speaker becomes President based off line of succession.
Basically you'd have to have an agreement to select someone to fill in the line of succession based off a popular vote (or even something mimicking the electoral college) and hope that everyone would abide by that as it'd have no legal force.
Coriolanus
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If south and central america are anything to go by (and it should be, we pros at crony capitalism), nothing. There'll just be someone seen as an outsider that'll take up the mantle, propose reforms, make some token short-lived efforts, and nothing will really change.
Keys to power and allathat.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Why did the mortgage tax credit removal and Cadillac tax (policies targeting the most obscene tax exceptions for the upper middle class) fail and why would universal programs that need much higher taxation on the upper middle class not fail?
Manmademan
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Russia's economy is so oil driven that a collapse is happening a lot faster than that.
Electric vehicles becoming affordable, fracking gaining speed, and solar getting cheap are going to cause a massive oil glut within ten years.
Transcript of what Mattis said doesn't mention that the obligations must be met "until year's end": https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/831896046775181314
Bonen no Max'd
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Medicare is so unpopular, y'know?
I thought he might start sucking up to the IC and the leaks might stop but.... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
What's hilarious is that this prick can't stay off of twitter. He calls the leaks "fake news" but then he confirms they're true in his very next tweet.
It's like when idiot kids vandalize a house or beat someone up and then post a video of themselves doing it on facebook.
He's going to end up a "Stupid Criminals" segment on the news.
AntraxSuicide
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Sure, but most if not all of those countries didn't have the economic clout of Russia, and they weren't sitting on massive militaries. When oil collapses as a viable product to base an economy on, the collapse of Russia will probably have pretty big consequences.
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