Mobius and pet octopus
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I think that is saying something different.
And I think people were saying that they focused too much on that issue and not enough on other issues that voters cared about.
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I think that is saying something different.
And I think people were saying that they focused too much on that issue and not enough on other issues that voters cared about.
It looks like the people that support the republican party in these state senate or house district are demoralized right now because in all of the special election races even in iowa the republicans either lose by more then the did in the last election or win by a lot less.Not sure if trump's speech will help energize the republican party at this point because it looks like this pattern will continue until 2020 at this point.
Bonen no Max'd
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Sure, and I didn't say "be populist left enough = win", I was just countering the idea that the WWC only responds to pivoting to the center, which is like, well no, the people who want to make organized labor part of the base again aren't trying to run Tammy Baldwin in Montana.
Though I had no idea this Rockefeller guy from WV existed until tonight and he's surprisingly to the left. I assumed any Democrat from WV now would look like Manchin or Justice but he's outflanked people like Gillibrand. Personal brand I guess.
I think Minnesota will stay blue in future elections but I'm not sure about Michigan and Wisconsin at this point.
shinra-bansho
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I'm assuming we're excluding Illinois from the Midwest. Which is somewhat fair I guess since it's so different. But also excluding Indiana, the Dakotas and so on.
Also neoliberal drone strike insurance scum Cory Booker has a more liberal DW nominate score than Brown, Franken, Carl Levin.
Also neoliberal drone strike insurance scum Cory Booker has a more liberal DW nominate score than Brown, Franken, Carl Levin.
Carpe Libertatem
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A lot of WWC do want pivoting to the center, though, especially on social issues (& things like police), which is where a lot of us take issue (and yes Baldwin is a lesbian & they all support gay marriage). I think the police issue isn't talked about enough. A lot of white people got spooked over the past few years and I'm not sure what Democrats can do to counter it.
Jay Rockefeller is even weirder because he's a Democrat with a dynastic Republican name. He probably would have lost if he didn't retire, though. It took them a decade or two, but West Virginians finally caught on to his liberal agenda.
MetalGearZed
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so CNN says 7 out of 10 viewers say this speech made them more optimistic.
is this really all it fucking takes for people!?
is this really all it fucking takes for people!?
Well... Yeah. What do you expect from an electorate/voting sample that doesn't care about policies? Or is so sexist, they'll leap at any possibility to "give the guy a chance"?
Dubbedinenglish
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Shame they let him have an easy address. Was hoping for some actual fight.
Carpe Libertatem
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The sample skews in favor of Trump supporters, I would imagine, since they're more likely to watch it
Still sad, but if it's 95% of Trump supporters and 20% of non-Trump supporters who say this speech made them more optimistic it's not particularly alarming
BreezyLimbo
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shinra-bansho
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I don't think that's accurate. Neoliberal drone strike thanks Obama delayed it to wait for a new moon. Although we can't know if he would have gone through with it or not.
The galling thing is really the flippancy with how the mission was approved. The lack of giving enough of a shit to observe the operation in the Sit Room. And that Trump likely gives bo shits that he sent someone on a mission that died and continues to pass the buck.
Say what you will about corporate book deal pig Barack Obama. But he had actual human emotions like empathy.
The galling thing is really the flippancy with how the mission was approved. The lack of giving enough of a shit to observe the operation in the Sit Room. And that Trump likely gives bo shits that he sent someone on a mission that died and continues to pass the buck.
Say what you will about corporate book deal pig Barack Obama. But he had actual human emotions like empathy.
jack_package_200
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https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/836769064353693696
Why do people call her a progressive hero again?
Why do people call her a progressive hero again?
Bam Bam Baklava
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How many times does the insta-poll thing have to be explained to people? 7 out of 10 people who watched the nomination speeches of both Clinton and Trump loved the speeches too. It's inherently skewed to be preaching to the choir because most people who hate you won't even bother watching.
neurosisxeno
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Because she endorsed Bernie. Which is stupid--and that's coming from a Bernie supporter. She's basically abusing anything resembling a movement that Bernie started.
Aaron Strife
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Because she supported Bernie.
Bonen no Max'd
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I just searched "gabbard" and every post on the first page of results is someone making fun of her (or saying no one gives a shit about her).
No one cares about her.
No one cares about her.
Aaron Strife
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So what you're saying is
Patty Judge 2020
The true queen of the Midwest will rise again
Too bad we didn't pick up that Connecticut seat as it would have given us an outright majority instead of a tie, but that's much better than we had any business doing there.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I believe the progressive icon thing is a sarcastic meme that originated from someone who naively included her on a list of progressive icons in a post somewhere on this forum. That person then basically admitted they had no idea who she was and just assumed.
RastaMentality
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also stems from some bernie fans suggesting she run in 2020 because she's a true progressive who endorsed the right man.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/836785073395535876
Not just the quote I posted early, but then said "he'll be President for 8 years if he keeps doing that"
I've never been more fucking pissed off with Van Jones, what a fucking joke this guy is. Absolute fraud.
Not just the quote I posted early, but then said "he'll be President for 8 years if he keeps doing that"
I've never been more fucking pissed off with Van Jones, what a fucking joke this guy is. Absolute fraud.
cartoon_soldier
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On one side we have conservative commentators who will defend Trump no matter what and on another side we have liberal ones who will always find some fault with what their people did or said.
I saw that too... But tbh, I view it as political naivety. 1) Trump won't keep being Presidential. He literally doesn't have the temperament for it. And he's not even being Presidential now, he just isn't being a complete dick. 2) Hillary and Bernie supporters, plus the non-voters, plus the Dems who Third-Party'd, will ensure Trump isn't President in 2020. There is no way that he will both maintain not being a dick, and gain enough support for re-election, especially when you consider the infighting growing over ACA.
I'm being serious, was there some account of the operation that was played out and detailed to everyone? How did the mission fail? I'm aware a soldier died.
whyamihere
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So I was dubious when someone claimed that CT SD 32 was the most conservative district in the state, but uh yeah, it is.
So.
It's the only SD in Connecticut where Hillary got less than 40% of the vote.
So.
It's the only SD in Connecticut where Hillary got less than 40% of the vote.
You're right on that, but Jones isn't just being naive, he's giving Trump the benefit of the doubt and not picking apart the real story behind that stunt. He's coming off as a total idiot swooning over a moment every single fucking President has ever had, and the moment itself just served to prop up lies. He should be outraged, not amazed by how "Presidential" Trump is being. He sucks.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What Van Jones did was just typical pundit bullshit.
Well, yeah, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. I doubt there's many TV news broadcasts (or anchors) who actually dive into the details, and give a cynical (realistic) view of events, especially with something like this. I mean, it'd be awesome if TV news had the same depth and "Let's just take a second to break this down" style of the WaPo or New Yorker, but even in the UK (which is less "news as entertainment" than the US) it doesn't happen all that often.
Bonen no Max'd
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huh, the Alaska State House has that same weird thing as New York but in reverse: 3 Republicans caucus with the Democrats to flip control of the chamber.
I don't understand these things.
I don't understand these things.
Abinash117
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I will keep saying this : people want to believe in bullshit.
Sometimes one wants to believe in something that is BS because that BS is desirable.
It could be possible that people like Van Jones wants to believe that Trump cares about unity or whatever, so they are willing to gobble up BS as long as it validates their belief; depending how exactly what it is of course. I guess the speech was enough for some people, however, they will be more conflicted once Trump does something divisive again.
Sometimes one wants to believe in something that is BS because that BS is desirable.
It could be possible that people like Van Jones wants to believe that Trump cares about unity or whatever, so they are willing to gobble up BS as long as it validates their belief; depending how exactly what it is of course. I guess the speech was enough for some people, however, they will be more conflicted once Trump does something divisive again.
whyamihere
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Trump will be giving his concession speech and some pundit will be claiming that it's the presidential pivot we've all been waiting for.
shinra-bansho
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I'm pretty sure it stems from me...
I am registering the trademark for Liberal Icon.
I am registering the trademark for Liberal Icon.
whyamihere
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Tulsi's not a liberal she's a leftist
shinra-bansho
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Liberal Icon Tulsi Gabbard is whatever you want her to be.
People talk shit about Olbermann but I'm glad we have him.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Leftistism is when you read conspiracy theories about Jews on globalresearch.ca and nod along and then you post on Twitter about those same conspiracy theories and replace "Jews" with "Sunni Muslims."
gutter_trash
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hook, line and sinker.
Van Jones is officially a fish
Moore said it best on MSNBC: up is down, down is up
Abinash117
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-republicans-235550?lo=ap_b3
Lol, those aren't plans, but ideas. Which, of course is not going to cover many people and will drop a lot of people from coverage. Some of these ideas are already ones that are covered by the Republicans anyway, however, they already acknowledged that their ideas won't cover everyone and some of the GOP worried about the backlash! So did they all suddenly forget or something, or are they just happy that Trump proposed ideas( which aren't new) that they already know isn't going to be effective?
Lol, those aren't plans, but ideas. Which, of course is not going to cover many people and will drop a lot of people from coverage. Some of these ideas are already ones that are covered by the Republicans anyway, however, they already acknowledged that their ideas won't cover everyone and some of the GOP worried about the backlash! So did they all suddenly forget or something, or are they just happy that Trump proposed ideas( which aren't new) that they already know isn't going to be effective?
whyamihere
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Apropos of nothing, Nevada Senate District 19 has to the be the largest state legislative district in the country by total area, yeah?
https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_State_Senate_District_19
https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_State_Senate_District_19
In other words, the end results were essentially unchanged.
Maybe. If not there then maybe somewhere in Montana.Apropos of nothing, Nevada Senate District 19 has to the be the largest state legislative district in the country by total area, yeah?
https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_State_Senate_District_19
I personally always liked him, despite his pomposity.
#teamkeith
edit: holy carp, he's actually swearing now too? :O
whyamihere
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I mean, that's certainly one takeaway.
What's the other takeaway(s)?
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